January 13, 20197 yr Do the Marlins win the World Series in 2003 if they don’t go out and get an impact bat (Pudge)? I can go on and on. Started off 19-29, so I mean. But realistically, I would say no, we don't.
January 13, 20197 yr Not to mention, a Chris Sale type wasn't a free agent last off-season unless I'm forgetting someone. Personally, I’m not taking about 2017. I’m talking about 2021.
January 13, 20197 yr Personally, I’m not taking about 2017. I’m talking about 2021. Who is currently slated to be a free agent that year? We can drum up a discussion there, probably will be some good arms then.
January 13, 20197 yr Author https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/2021/ Lets keep in mind some of these guys could sign extensions and never reach FA.
January 13, 20197 yr Author Do the Marlins win the World Series in 2003 if they don’t go out and get an impact bat (Pudge)? Highly unlikely. They also probably don't win without trading for Urbina or Conine. These are all things that most fans already know about WS teams nearly every season, I don't get what point you're trying to make.
January 13, 20197 yr Highly unlikely. They also probably don't win without trading for Urbina or Conine. These are all things that most fans already know about WS teams nearly every season, I don't get what point you're trying to make. He's saying if Jeter has the balls to get a #1 ace in 2021 then the Marlins will win the 2021 World Series.
January 13, 20197 yr Author He's saying if Jeter has the balls to get a #1 ace in 2021 then the Marlins will win the 2021 World Series. I glanced at the 2021 free agents and I didn't see an ace there, but I may have missed one. That's an important element, something the "2 pitchers away" people don't get. These players have to actually exist and be available.
January 13, 20197 yr https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/2021/ Lets keep in mind some of these guys could sign extensions and never reach FA. Let's assume nobody signs extensions. Going with just starting pitchers, the youngest will be 28 [Aaron Sanchez and Taijuan Walker]. I'd be OK with those guys. Others include: Robbie Ray, Tyler Skaggs, Julio Teheran, Kendall Graveman, Marcus Stroman, Kevin Gausman, Trevor Bauer [would only be a one year deal cause that's all he wants going forward], Tyler Chatwood, Kyle Hendricks, etc etc. There is a pretty good list of pitchers there. Could probably get two or three of them for cheaper than a "certified #1 ace" type guy - I'd say Stroman could probably fill that, or Bauer (but again just a one year deal), or Hendricks. Another possibility that year, along with getting a top of the rotation starter or two, is we could get some stopgap type players, such as Ian Kennedy, - they won't be good but they could be serviceable giving a decent amount of innings as the #5 starter. Looking for like 150 innings, and I think that's fair and doable. Jon Lester will also be a free agent then but I highly doubt he'd drop down from the $20M he'll make in 2020. Lots of options there. Money should absolutely be spent in this time. If the drafting and development go well, this team will be poised to strike by then.
January 13, 20197 yr The Red Sox traded for Chris Sale. Not to mention, a Chris Sale type wasn't a free agent last off-season unless I'm forgetting someone. Because they spent big bucks in the international free agent market largely, tbh.
January 13, 20197 yr He's saying if Jeter has the balls to get a #1 ace in 2021 then the Marlins will win the 2021 World Series. Marlins need to focus on developing an ace by 2021, acquiring pitching is expensive as fuck.
January 13, 20197 yr I glanced at the 2021 free agents and I didn't see an ace there, but I may have missed one. That's an important element, something the "2 pitchers away" people don't get. These players have to actually exist and be available. If the Marlins had intelligence they sign Miles Mikolas last winter before the Cardinals so, as the Jupiter thing was BIG for him and really the reason he signed in St. Louis. Then you had to find a way to acquire one additional decent starter and you are in the NL East race in 2017.
January 13, 20197 yr Marlins need to focus on developing an ace by 2021, acquiring pitching is expensive as fuck. I can agree with this.
January 13, 20197 yr Author Because they spent big bucks in the international free agent market largely, tbh. Good thing the new Marlins regime is doing that even if certain people overlook that, I won't name names.
January 13, 20197 yr Author Marlins need to focus on developing an ace by 2021, acquiring pitching is expensive as fuck. First smart thing you've said.
January 13, 20197 yr Good thing the new Marlins regime is doing that even if certain people overlook that, I won't name names. it's actually refreshing, as they should have been all in on the Cuban market YEARS ago at a bare minimum. Huge spending in the International Market is largely why the Yankee and Dodger systems especially are so strong.
January 13, 20197 yr it's actually refreshing, as they should have been all in on the Cuban market YEARS ago at a bare minimum. Agreed again. Only name I ever heard us linked to from Cuba was Cespedes. I wonder how much that would have changed things in 2012.
January 13, 20197 yr Author I think the way Jeter/Sherman approached the draft and IFA market doesn't get enough credit here. Those who like to say they are just like Loria, just forget those things.
January 13, 20197 yr Highly unlikely. They also probably don't win without trading for Urbina or Conine. These are all things that most fans already know about WS teams nearly every season, I don't get what point you're trying to make. C’mon, man you can’t be serious. Please re-read the last few pages of this thread. If you still don’t understand my point than I will gladly rephrase it.
January 13, 20197 yr Because they spent big bucks in the international free agent market largely, tbh. Absolutely. Great thing there. Hope it keeps happening. Marlins need to focus on developing an ace by 2021, acquiring pitching is expensive as fuck. 100% right here.
January 14, 20197 yr Agreed again. Only name I ever heard us linked to from Cuba was Cespedes. I wonder how much that would have changed things in 2012. I remember we were inexplicably not very "in" on Jose Abreu too, even though he's Cuban and was a 1st baseman, which we didn't have at the time (and still don't for that matter).
January 14, 20197 yr Author The previous regime avoided the international free agent market like the plague, even when it made so much sense to be in it.
January 14, 20197 yr The previous regime avoided the international free agent market like the plague, even when it made so much sense to be in it. The previous regime avoilded winning like the plague. They did everything they could to be bad. I have stood by this idea for a while, if we had done nothing, not tried to win, not traded anyone from our organization since 2015 we would be in contention right now, with top prospects, AND a good rotation. This is even assuming Fernandez's tragic death.
January 14, 20197 yr How long ago was "the plague?" It's 2019... isn't it time for an update to "avoided it like the plague?"
January 14, 20197 yr Author How long ago was "the plague?" It's 2019... isn't it time for an update to "avoided it like the plague?" Avoided it like the Swine Flu better?
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