I feel like my comments could be taken out of context or exaggerated easily so I want to clarify. I believe in the rebuild and the plan. I don't think it'll take 10 years to compete again. Could be within 5 as I originally thought even. I think the system does have some intriguing prospects.

 

I understand Houston's plan looked questionable at first to some but obviously ended up working out. That could definitely happen with the Marlins too, but at this moment it is hard to see it that way. I think it is normal though to not be overly confident at this point.

 

Hopefully they hit a home run in the draft this year and next year. Hopefully they work the free agent market a little starting this off-season as well.

 

Here we go with your pessimism again. It's bringing down the morale around here. 

 

 

Hopefully they hit a home run in the draft this year and next year. 

 

Multiple choice response, select whichever you prefer...

 

A) How can they hit a home run, haven't you seen this team they have no power.

 

B) Thats not how it works, they don't actually play during the draft.

 

C) #FuckJeter 

 

 

Multiple choice response, select whichever you prefer...

 

A) How can they hit a home run, haven't you seen this team they have no power.

 

B) Thats not how it works, they don't actually play during the draft.

 

C) #FuckJeter 

 

D) All of the above

 

 

D) All of the above

 

Ugh how did I forget that one 

 

 

Laughing at trying to not be the worst tells me aiming for the number 1 pick is actually part of the plan...

 

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We better take a college bat,. I know HS guys often have higher ceilings but they also seem to flame out more often.

 

 

We better take a college bat,. I know HS guys often have higher ceilings but they also seem to flame out more often.

 

I don't understand why HS players have higher ceilings than college players, didn't a good college player would be more proven than a good HS player ?

 

 

Read my post above... with the exception of Altuve the Astros weren't as talented in the minors yet at the beginning of their rebuild. Correa was drafted in 2012, the other pieces mostly came after that. Bregman in 2015. 

 

Edit: Just researched and confirmed that only 4 players on the Astros World Series roster were with organization prior to 2012, Altuve Keuchel Springer and Marwin Gonzalez. For reference I'm calling 2012 year 2 of the Astros rebuild as it was the 2nd year of 100+ losses and of the new ownership there so comparatively for us that would be 2019. So 21 players were acquired for the Astros during or after year 2. The Marlins are only in May of year 2. A long way to go but there is time. 

 

Rome wasn't built in a day. Neither were the 2017 Astros. 

 

The other problem is draft rules have changed since then too, though.  They were able to throw money around to get a bunch of good guys, but now you're limited to your draft pool.

 

 

Excerpts from a 2017 article about how the championship Astros were put together. I know the Marlins are not there yet but at least the blueprint is there.

 

 

 

Jeff Luhnow, the general manager, had inherited the worst team in baseball. Fixing it would take time.

 

Those [three #1 draft picks from 2012-14] illustrate the finicky nature of baseball prospects. In a typical collection of three, one will blossom, one will fade and one will get hurt.

 

Picking first over all can rejuvenate a franchise. The chances of finding a high-impact player drop significantly from the first pick to the second.

 

This was all part of Luhnow’s plan, the reward for suffering while adhering diligently to a blueprint. The Astros’ strategy bothered some other teams, who grumbled that they were not trying to field a competitive major league roster. Yet the Astros were using the rules to their advantage, and this is the result.

 

"It is satisfying to know that we stayed the course, we made adjustments when we had to, and we executed the strategy that was best for the Houston Astros."

 

In that 2012 season, the five worst teams were the Astros, the Cubs, the Colorado Rockies, the Minnesota Twins and the Cleveland Indians. All made the playoffs this year. In the 2012 World Series, the San Francisco Giants played the Detroit Tigers. This season (2017), they were the worst teams in the majors.

 

 

 

Luhnow is a better GM than Hill is. That's concerning too. I would trust Luhnow or Theo Epstein to put together the new roster more than Hill.

 

 

Luhnow is a better GM than Hill is. That's concerning too. I would trust Luhnow or Theo Epstein to put together the new roster more than Hill.

 

Very true... I gotta clarify that I'm not bringing up all this Astros stuff lately to say I'm sure the Marlins can do what the Astros did but just to put things into perspective because it seems like everyone has written off Jeter and the Marlins in May of year 2 of the rebuild and the Astros weren't very different from how bad we are now in their 2nd year either. There's still time to get this right. It took the Astros a long time and it might take us long too.

 

 

This line is so eye opening to me...

 

In that 2012 season, the five worst teams were the Astros, the Cubs, the Colorado Rockies, the Minnesota Twins and the Cleveland Indians. All made the playoffs this year (2017). In the 2012 World Series, the San Francisco Giants played the Detroit Tigers. This season (2017), they were the worst teams in the majors.

 

Anyone down for an Orioles vs Marlins World Series 5 years from now?

 

 

This line is so eye opening to me...

 

Anyone down for an Orioles vs Marlins World Series 5 years from now?

 

Sign me up.

 

 

Sign me up.

 

Unlikely that you'll get picked to play but ok.

 

 

Unlikely that you'll get picked to play but ok.

 

I will play for cheap, call me Jeter.

 

 

Back to the topic of meaningless stats that show how bad the team is, this one from 2012...

 

the Astros have endured a sobering summer, including a 4-34 spiral from June 28 through last Thursday. It was the worst 38-game stretch in the National League since the Cleveland Spiders

 

 

 

Spiders baby!

 

 

Such meaningless records too. It's cuz they have nothing else to write about. Yeah we suck we get it. None of this matters if they get it right in the end. Tell me what bad stats the Astros had from 2011-2013 and then I'll show you a picture of their world series parade.

 

I mean its a pretty meaningful record...

 

Its not like some random newly generated stat that some nerd made up...

 

 

I mean its a pretty meaningful record...

 

No it's not. This 2019 team is bad, we get it, how or why do the records mean anything?

 

 

No it's not. This 2019 team is bad, we get it, how or why do the records mean anything?

 

Because the marlins are on pace for the worst offense in the history of the game?

 

I mean MLB is built on records and stats. You may not like it.  You may dismiss it, but its the absolute truth.

 

 

Because the marlins are on pace for the worst offense in the history of the game?

 

I mean MLB is built on records and stats. You may not like it.  You may dismiss it, but its the absolute truth.

 

But it means nothing. Who cares? If they do what they say they're gonna do and that's build a sustained winner is having a bad offense in a 100 loss season gonna make the future winning seasons mean any less? Not at all. 

 

 

But it means nothing. Who cares? If they do what they say they're gonna do and that's build a sustained winner is having a bad offense in a 100 loss season gonna make the future winning seasons mean any less? Not at all. 

 

But its still significant in the annals of baseball history.

 

Dont ever utter winning 100 games as being significant then.  Because it means nothing.  

 

Dont ever utter the Marlins scoring lots of runs and putting up big stats because who cares.

 

I have zero faith in the Marlins building a winner because they have made really 1 winning move by signing Victor Victor.  The rest has all been window dressing. They say one thing and do the exact opposite.  

 

 

I feel like my comments could be taken out of context or exaggerated easily so I want to clarify. I believe in the rebuild and the plan. I don't think it'll take 10 years to compete again. Could be within 5 as I originally thought even. I think the system does have some intriguing prospects.

 

I understand Houston's plan looked questionable at first to some but obviously ended up working out. That could definitely happen with the Marlins too, but at this moment it is hard to see it that way. I think it is normal though to not be overly confident at this point.

 

Hopefully they hit a home run in the draft this year and next year. Hopefully they work the free agent market a little starting this off-season as well.

 

I have no doubt that they can make the playoffs if they do things right. Whether they can win a title like the Astros is another thing. But as long as we have been waiting, I would take a few playoff appearances.

 

 

But it means nothing. Who cares? If they do what they say they're gonna do and that's build a sustained winner is having a bad offense in a 100 loss season gonna make the future winning seasons mean any less? Not at all. 

 

#TankForTork

 

 

We better take a college bat,. I know HS guys often have higher ceilings but they also seem to flame out more often.

 

I agree - I've been thinking for a bit to make the draft a bit better, first five rounds should be only college players (with first three being seniors and juniors only, 4th/5th can include sophomores and freshmen). Sixth round and later can be HS players. League-wide, not just a team philosophy. This way you're spending the big bucks on players that are more likely to make an impact on your team sooner, at least that's the hope.