That team with annual losing seasons, oh yeah how could I forget.

 

I mean.  they were the good half.....

 

And we literally had half a team (good offense, bad pitching).

 

 

I mean.  they were the good half.....

 

And we literally had half a team (good offense, bad pitching).

 

Thank you.

 

 

Half would imply 12.5 players were good, can we name 12.5?

 

Probably, too lazy though.

 

 

Honestly I just wish hererra wasn't playing. I wish they'd send brinson down to double a and bring sierra up. 

 

 

Honestly I just wish hererra wasn't playing. I wish they'd send brinson down to double a and bring sierra up. 

 

Or you know Harold Ramirez could play more instead of warming the bench

 

 

Half would imply 12.5 players were good, can we name 12.5?

 

Probably, too lazy though.

 

Stanton, Ozuna, Yelich, Realmuto, Bour (was good when he was surrounded by the others), Wittgren was good, Dee was good when he got on base, could we throw Jose in with this or are we talking strictly from the trades?  Do you include guys like Paddack/Castillo or just guys on the ML team?

 

Anyone else want to chip in?

 

 

 could we throw Jose in with this or are we talking strictly from the trades?  Do you include guys like Paddack/Castillo or just guys on the ML team?

 

Anyone else want to chip in?

 

I don't think we should include guys that weren't on the team and Jose is too far back. We are talking from 2017's 25-man roster.

 

 

I don't think we should include guys that weren't on the team and Jose is too far back. We are talking from 2017.

 

Barraclough was good that year.

 

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So maybe we don't quite get to half, but the point still stands we had a slew of good players that went out the door and replaced (so far) with garbage, at least offensively.

 

 

Barraclough was good that year.

 

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So maybe we don't quite get to half, but the point still stands we had a slew of good players.

 

Yes more than we have now for sure

 

 

The Marlins traded great hitting for decent pitching. It's hard to imagine the Marlins being anywhere near the current Astros team, especially since we have no real MLB caliber offensive players in the minors. We don't have anyone that really dominates minor league pitching except Lewis Brinson, who now seems to be wearing a blind fold for some reason. 

 

Marlins will need to get very lucky with a draft pick, trades or something to get some offense.

 

 

Much harder to acquire great pitching than it is great hitting 

 

 

The Marlins traded great hitting for decent pitching. It's hard to imagine the Marlins being anywhere near the current Astros team, especially since we have no real MLB caliber offensive players in the minors. We don't have anyone that really dominates minor league pitching except Lewis Brinson, who now seems to be wearing a blind fold for some reason. 

 

Marlins will need to get very lucky with a draft pick, trades or something to get some offense.

 

Yeah this is a key difference between the rebuilding Astros and us. Not only did they have Altuve already, something we don't have. But they had prospects such as Carlos Correa, George Springer, Alex Bregman and others. Not to mention pitchers such as Dallas Keuchel in the minors. And along with that, they had excess prospects to add a Verlander in 2017 when he was needed to put them over the top.

 

I am not saying the Marlins are doomed to fail forever, but it is getting harder to say they will be on Houston's timeline. Whether these current players are on the roster in a couple years or not, we simply at this time do not have the talent in the minors that Houston had.

 

 

Much harder to acquire great pitching than it is great hitting 

 

Very true.

 

 

Or you know Harold Ramirez could play more instead of warming the bench

 

I don't think bench warmers get enough credit for the job they do. I mean have you tried sitting on a cold bench? 

 

 

It's hard to imagine the Marlins being anywhere near the current Astros team, especially since we have no real MLB caliber offensive players in the minors. We don't have anyone that really dominates minor league pitching except Lewis Brinson, who now seems to be wearing a blind fold for some reason. 

 

Marlins will need to get very lucky with a draft pick, trades or something to get some offense.

 

I went back and read an article about how the 2017 Astros were assembled. Much of that team wasn't even in the organization in 2012, the Astros only got 1 of their 3 number 1 draft picks from 2012-2014 right. It took time for the Astros to acquire the eventual championship players. They weren't in the organization in the early stages of the rebuild. So to the Marlins point they still have work to do but there's still time for it. Just because the hitting prospects seem nonexistent in the early part of year 2 here doesn't mean they can't still come later. Ideally we all want this team to get good faster but I don't know if people realize how early into the rebuild we actually might be.

 

 

Yeah this is a key difference between the rebuilding Astros and us. Not only did they have Altuve already, something we don't have. But they had prospects such as Carlos Correa, George Springer, Alex Bregman and others. Not to mention pitchers such as Dallas Keuchel in the minors. And along with that, they had excess prospects to add a Verlander in 2017 when he was needed to put them over the top.

 

I am not saying the Marlins are doomed to fail forever, but it is getting harder to say they will be on Houston's timeline. Whether these current players are on the roster in a couple years or not, we simply at this time do not have the talent in the minors that Houston had.

 

Read my post above... with the exception of Altuve the Astros weren't as talented in the minors yet at the beginning of their rebuild. Correa was drafted in 2012, the other pieces mostly came after that. Bregman in 2015. 

 

Edit: Just researched and confirmed that only 4 players on the Astros World Series roster were with organization prior to 2012, Altuve Keuchel Springer and Marwin Gonzalez. For reference I'm calling 2012 year 2 of the Astros rebuild as it was the 2nd year of 100+ losses and of the new ownership there so comparatively for us that would be 2019. So 21 players were acquired for the Astros during or after year 2. The Marlins are only in May of year 2. A long way to go but there is time. 

 

Rome wasn't built in a day. Neither were the 2017 Astros. 

 

 

Release Herrera dammit.

 

 

Worst part about this season isnt the record or the shutouts, it's Brinson looking like trash.

 

 

Yeah, good pitching beats good hitting and vice versa.

 

I have no idea what this means ?

 

 

Yeah this is a key difference between the rebuilding Astros and us. Not only did they have Altuve already, something we don't have. But they had prospects such as Carlos Correa, George Springer, Alex Bregman and others. Not to mention pitchers such as Dallas Keuchel in the minors. And along with that, they had excess prospects to add a Verlander in 2017 when he was needed to put them over the top.

 

I am not saying the Marlins are doomed to fail forever, but it is getting harder to say they will be on Houston's timeline. Whether these current players are on the roster in a couple years or not, we simply at this time do not have the talent in the minors that Houston had.

 

Realistically, the Marlins are 7 years behind the Astros in the timeline. In 2012 they only had Keuchel and Springer in their system at the time. Correa was acquired later in the year at the draft. Alex Bregman was drafted in 2015. At the time Altuve was profiled as a high average low power guy and Keuchel never had a good season before 2014. The route to the promise land was not so clear for the Astros at the time.

 

 

Realistically, the Marlins are 7 years behind the Astros in the timeline. In 2012 they only had Keuchel and Springer in their system at the time. Correa was acquired later in the year at the draft. Alex Bregman was drafted in 2015. At the time Altuve was profiled as a high average low power guy and Keuchel never had a good season before 2014. The route to the promise land was not so clear for the Astros at the time.

 

This. Astros fans were as frustrated in 2012 as we are now. At the very least we can look at what the Astros did and have an idea and a hope of what the Marlins are trying to do... Astros fans in 2012 probably were in shock and wondering if their team would ever be good again. 

 

 

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Joe needs to cheer up, there is definitely some hope!

 

 

Joe needs to cheer up, there is definitely some hope!

 

Maybe he's referring to dope.

 

 

I feel like my comments could be taken out of context or exaggerated easily so I want to clarify. I believe in the rebuild and the plan. I don't think it'll take 10 years to compete again. Could be within 5 as I originally thought even. I think the system does have some intriguing prospects.

 

I understand Houston's plan looked questionable at first to some but obviously ended up working out. That could definitely happen with the Marlins too, but at this moment it is hard to see it that way. I think it is normal though to not be overly confident at this point.

 

Hopefully they hit a home run in the draft this year and next year. Hopefully they work the free agent market a little starting this off-season as well.