Posted September 12, 20195 yr After strangely not doing an elegy for last year's team, Fangraphs just put up an elegy for the 2019 team. It's actually a great read, very much enjoyed it. https://blogs.fangraphs.com/is-this-time-actually-different-for-the-miami-marlins/
September 12, 20195 yr After strangely not doing an elegy for last year's team... https://blogs.fangraphs.com/elegy-for-18-miami-marlins/
September 12, 20195 yr Author https://blogs.fangraphs.com/elegy-for-18-miami-marlins/ Oh wow, I must have missed this, thanks.
September 12, 20195 yr Author It might be a bit surprising given that the Marlins are 51-93, but there were still positive developments for Miami in 2019. The Marlins’ challenges on the field are significant, but the most difficult battle they face is one of reputation. Given the Marlin’s history, any pleas for fans to come to the games so that the owners can invest in the team will likely fall on deaf ears. That’s the fundamental challenge the Marlins face and it’s one so large that it almost renders whatever trades or signings they make irrelevant in comparison. The team will have to build a consistent winner and then somehow convince a damaged fanbase that this time is different. This is really well said. A refreshingly realistic take on the challenge of winning over the fanbase.
September 12, 20195 yr This is really well said. A refreshingly realistic take on the challenge of winning over the fanbase. in that same line of thought - I loved the comparison made here.... Baseball is one of the few industries in which business owners are generally able to plead with their customers to buy their product now so that there can be a better product in the future. Can you imagine building a restaurant and telling people “If you buy our terrible food, we won’t have to serve canned vegetables next month!”
September 12, 20195 yr Author In that same line of thought - I loved the comparison made here.... Yes awesome comparison and so true. Even as someone who buys into the rebuild I can understand how weird it is to be told things are gonna get better while watching things still look like shit. Actually it shows more and more why the fanbase needs to be more exposed to the positive signs that go beyond the current on field MLB record because it's very easy to say this isn't working when watching the team inch towards 100 losses especially if you aren't presented with the improvements to the farm and other factors like that.
September 12, 20195 yr A better analogy would have been: “in the future we will serve you delicious, freshly homegrown vegetables for years to come. But until those plants grow larger and bear fruit please eat our moldy leftovers”
September 12, 20195 yr Yes awesome comparison and so true. Even as someone who buys into the rebuild I can understand how weird it is to be told things are gonna get better while watching things still look like shit. Actually it shows more and more why the fanbase needs to be more exposed to the positive signs that go beyond the current on field MLB record because it's very easy to say this isn't working when watching the team inch towards 100 losses especially if you aren't presented with the improvements to the farm and other factors like that. While actual fans do care about the farm system and other differences, the casual "fan" doesn't really give a damn about those things. These are the people that have been missing and will continue to be missing from the stands when the product on the field is crap. The ONLY way to bring those people in is to consistently put a great team on the field that creates a "this is the place to be seen" vibe. There's really no other way to pull those people in other than building some real dominant clubs and that's going to likely take the owners being willing to lose some fairly significant amounts of money in the process to get to that point. This is also why I kind of still say it's fair to rip the Marlins new group because despite taking a different approach in terms of drafting and player development - they haven't yet reached the stage where they're required to take those heavy financial hits and push forward where the other owners have refused to go for any extended period of time so at this juncture they really aren't all that different than previous owners in terms of what has been accomplished. I sincerely hope they do make that earnest effort when the time comes though. I love my team and would literally give up following baseball before I'd switch allegiances.
September 12, 20195 yr The team is doing a lot of things that a normal team does in rebuilding, but they’ve done nothing to answer the biggest question: what happens after the rebuild is successful? Will the team invest in the franchise’s continued success where previous owners failed to or will this simply be the latest incident of the team’s limited fanbase having the rug pulled out from under them? This one kind of annoys me. That question can't be answered yet because the rebuild has yet to be successful. The obvious hope is that the team spends but if we end up hitting on so many draft picks, even that won't be necessary until about 2025, which would be amazing. Other than that, good read.
September 13, 20195 yr Author While actual fans do care about the farm system and other differences, the casual "fan" doesn't really give a damn about those things. But that's why they should be more exposed to those things because they matter in the overall picture of the organization even if those things haven't translated to the MLB team yet. There are still people who think the organization is in the same place they were when new ownership came in two years ago and that's absolutely not the case. There are positive signs and the casual fans should be presented these signs as a way of saying "We're not there yet but we've done this and this and this and hopefully are on the right track."
September 13, 20195 yr Yes awesome comparison and so true. Even as someone who buys into the rebuild I can understand how weird it is to be told things are gonna get better while watching things still look like shit. Actually it shows more and more why the fanbase needs to be more exposed to the positive signs that go beyond the current on field MLB record because it's very easy to say this isn't working when watching the team inch towards 100 losses especially if you aren't presented with the improvements to the farm and other factors like that. The people have been presented with improvements to the farm. But they made a bunch of spelling errors so the information doesn't count...
September 13, 20195 yr Author https://marlinmaniac.com/2019/09/13/marlins-really-work-progress/ Excellent example of the ignorance that's out there... This "article" says that it's time for the organization to change their entire rebuild plan because the 2019 team sucks. ...as the season comes to an end in a couple of weeks, the thought of a change in the rebuilding process must be addressed... altering the plan a bit is needed for us to see true progress on the Major League level... the record from this season has many of us in doubt if it’s a reality. This stupidity is ridiculous. You cannot evaluate the progress of the rebuild solely on the record of the 2019 team.
September 13, 20195 yr https://marlinmaniac.com/2019/09/13/marlins-really-work-progress/ Excellent example of the ignorance that's out there... This "article" says that it's time for the organization to change their entire rebuild plan because the 2019 team sucks. This stupidity is ridiculous. You cannot evaluate the progress of the rebuild solely on the record of the 2019 team. The thought of a change on the process doesn't mean a complete overhaul to me? If you're not constantly thinking and adjusting on something as daunting and massive as overhauling an entire MLB organization then you might as well just sell and go buy art for a living.
September 13, 20195 yr But that's why they should be more exposed to those things because they matter in the overall picture of the organization even if those things haven't translated to the MLB team yet. There are still people who think the organization is in the same place they were when new ownership came in two years ago and that's absolutely not the case. There are positive signs and the casual fans should be presented these signs as a way of saying "We're not there yet but we've done this and this and this and hopefully are on the right track." I will have to still disagree with you that casual fans will care if they become more exposed to the prospects and other changes made. Casual Fan typically cares about a big time name/winner on the field. Casual Fan usually remains Casual Fan even when the team is winning tons of games because they just enjoy the atmosphere and like being seen at the "place to be". There are exceptions to every rule but those are usually linked to teams with a long history such as the Cubs for instance. If Casual Fan has made it this far in life without going into depth on a sports teams inner workings and vision then they'll likely continue to do so. Those needed fans just need a consistent winner on the field with some star power to be lured in. That's really all there is to bringing those sorts in. You can however, start working on kids/teens to get them excited about a team - but the problem there is, again, their parents are probably those same Casual Fans again, who won't bother bringing their kids along unless.....there's a consistent winner out there that provides some really good entertainment value. Either way, the owners are going to have to absorb some serious financial hits for 4-5 years and field a very strong team to finally start building some crowds up for games and some national recognition. If not, it'll be a few years of fringe WC contention followed by another sell-off to make sure they can pay the a/c bill.
September 13, 20195 yr This one kind of annoys me. That question can't be answered yet because the rebuild has yet to be successful. The obvious hope is that the team spends but if we end up hitting on so many draft picks, even that won't be necessary until about 2025, which would be amazing. Other than that, good read. I don't really get your complaint here - the author said it can't be answered. He said will they pay to be better or will they follow the same path? He didn't make a definitive statement like "they're being the same old Marlins". The thought of a change on the process doesn't mean a complete overhaul to me? If you're not constantly thinking and adjusting on something as daunting and massive as overhauling an entire MLB organization then you might as well just sell and go buy art for a living. Right. Adjustments to the plan are always made. But basing the thought of needing to throw out the existing plan because of the fact the major league team as is sucks is ridiculous. The team's record this year doesn't really have anything to do with the status of the rebuild - we knew the team was going to suck this year, it was just a question of how much. That doesn't mean you scrap the whole thing.
September 13, 20195 yr Author The team's record this year doesn't really have anything to do with the status of the rebuild - we knew the team was going to suck this year, it was just a question of how much. That doesn't mean you scrap the whole thing. Exactly this. Especially when things like the drastic improvement of the farm system are so obvious. "Hey the Marlins went from bottom four farm system to top four in a year and a half but this whole rebuild isn't working because Curtis Granderson and Hector Noesi suck."
September 14, 20195 yr don't really get your complaint here - the author said it can't be answered. He said will they pay to be better or will they follow the same path? He didn't make a definitive statement like "they're being the same old Marlins". The author said, "they've yet to answer the question." Which again, can't be answered yet. https://marlinmaniac.com/2019/09/13/marlins-really-work-progress/ Excellent example of the ignorance that's out there... This "article" says that it's time for the organization to change their entire rebuild plan because the 2019 team sucks. This stupidity is ridiculous. You cannot evaluate the progress of the rebuild solely on the record of the 2019 team. The thought of a change on the process doesn't mean a complete overhaul to me? If you're not constantly thinking and adjusting on something as daunting and massive as overhauling an entire MLB organization then you might as well just sell and go buy art for a living. Gonna say you both are right on this one. Can't say it's time to "change" the plan but adjustments aren't a bad thing to make. And stuff.
September 14, 20195 yr The rebuilding of the Astros must be failed because they loss over 100 times in the every season under their rebuilding process …
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