SilverBullet Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 I don't consider this dirty at all. Voit was already in motion towards the plate and Stephenson got pulled into his way, Voit puts his foot down to attempt to touch home so he's clearly attempting to be safe instead of suddenly aiming towards a collision. And his hands being up were to protect himself from the catcher's helmet that his mouth is about to crash into. It's a split second reaction I think the hands were coming up to protect them both and it just happened to knock Stephenson silly but not an intentionally dirty slide. The Reds are ridiculous for making this a big deal and Tommy Pham has very much taken it too far, another moron in the game I see. Toss a pitch into Voit's butt today and that would be fair and leave it at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Texan Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 oh Luke is wearing one for this either today or next week in Cincy, hopefully Luke just takes it and get his bag, as long as its not at his head. Its stupid and Tommy Pham is just being Tommy Pham. Wears it on his sleeve so cant hate on that, but he is who he is most of the time.. Not dirty btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlinsmaniac Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 He pulled his head down after the slide and then pushed it back. Super dirty no doubt about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 I don't think it was dirty. We have to remember it's a split second move in real life, and I don't see any initial intent to just plow into the catcher. If anything, from the angle at the end, you can see Voit turn/move even further left to get around him. I see what you're talking about @marlinsmaniac, but I think the hands were more a protecting himself and also trying to "catch" Stephenson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovertical Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Ahhhh if only Acuña were a catcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlinsmaniac Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 1 hour ago, rmc523 said: I don't think it was dirty. We have to remember it's a split second move in real life, and I don't see any initial intent to just plow into the catcher. If anything, from the angle at the end, you can see Voit turn/move even further left to get around him. I see what you're talking about @marlinsmaniac, but I think the hands were more a protecting himself and also trying to "catch" Stephenson. Nah man, Luke was in control of that from the beginning, he knew what he was doing. Those split second moments maybe lead to an accidental clothesline, but not grabbing a dude’s head then basically shoving it off of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 1 hour ago, marlinsmaniac said: Nah man, Luke was in control of that from the beginning, he knew what he was doing. Those split second moments maybe lead to an accidental clothesline, but not grabbing a dude’s head then basically shoving it off of you. Agree to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlinsmaniac Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 1 hour ago, rmc523 said: Agree to disagree. No! Lol 😘 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 12 minutes ago, marlinsmaniac said: No! Lol 😘 MUTUAL AGREEMENT OF DISAGREEMENT! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovertical Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 21 minutes ago, Michael said: MUTUAL AGREEMENT OF DISAGREEMENT! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Finally saw it. Definitely no intent there. Stephenson got in his way, Voit's feet kind of stuck in the ground and he's just a big dude and his arms came down. It happens. Sucks for Stephenson, but no intent. And lol at Pham. "I know the owner of a gym who let me use his facilities. That's all I'm saying." Good for him to be ready to defend his teammate but it wasn't intentional. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted April 22, 2022 Author Share Posted April 22, 2022 17 hours ago, Michael said: And lol at Pham. "I know the owner of a gym who let me use his facilities. That's all I'm saying." This was so bad. You can be upset at a guy and make veiled comments at retaliation on the field but to even imply anything off the field is so low. What an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 23 minutes ago, SilverBullet said: This was so bad. You can be upset at a guy and make veiled comments at retaliation on the field but to even imply anything off the field is so low. What an idiot. I'm sure if Voit was within earshot things would have been said a lot different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 His arms came downward with force that for me instinctively looked like possible intent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, mystikol87 said: His arms came downward with force that for me instinctively looked like possible intent. Again, maybe cause his momentum changed due to his feet/legs digging into the ground during the slide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 8 minutes ago, mystikol87 said: His arms came downward with force that for me instinctively looked like possible intent. So it's not at all possible that in a split second moment, he can't lower his own arms to get them in a protective position for himself? And Stephenson is in the way at that point making it seem like Voit is trying to grab him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, rmc523 said: So it's not at all possible that in a split second moment, he can't lower his own arms to get them in a protective position for himself? And Stephenson is in the way at that point making it seem like Voit is trying to grab him. I didn't say it's not possible, I said that for me my instincts were that it looked like it might have been intentional. I think it's possible that it was either way. Stephenson ended up with a concussion, by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 I know Stephenson ended up with a concussion, but that happening doesn't mean it was intentional. We'll never know his intent, but I don't think it's clear cut 100% either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 2 hours ago, rmc523 said: I know Stephenson ended up with a concussion, but that happening doesn't mean it was intentional. We'll never know his intent, but I don't think it's clear cut 100% either way. I didn’t say the concussion means it was intentional! But no one had mentioned it yet, so I wanted to add it to the thread. I agree, it’s not clear cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Texan Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 7 hours ago, SilverBullet said: This was so bad. You can be upset at a guy and make veiled comments at retaliation on the field but to even imply anything off the field is so low. What an idiot. I wonder if they have a history from when they were in the Cardinal system. Quite possible. Tommy rubbed a lot of guys wrong at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, Das Texan said: I wonder if they have a history from when they were in the Cardinal system. Quite possible. Tommy rubbed a lot of guys wrong at times. Can't believe you'd talk this much shit. Tommy knows the owner of a gym that lets him use the facilities ... that's all I'm saying. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 Tommy Pham just misplayed a line drive into left field off the bat of Goldschmidt. Goldschmidt better be careful. Tommy knows the owner of a gym that lets him use the facilities ... that's all I'm saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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