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i think it's time to organize a massive sit together and wear bags on heads game appearance. the budweiser bar, if we could fill all of it with bags on heads, that would definitely make sportscenter. Do something cooler, like have a massive group of people show up in the jerseys of former Marlins on the teams they were traded to (D. Lee Cubs, Hammer Nats, JJ Blue Jays, etc.). And it should be EVERYONE that we've traded, as a nod of respect to every player that's ever had to deal with this POS ownership.The point being - "we actually care about these players and the way you do business kinda bums us out." Pick some random section of the stadium to sit in and turn your back to the field during the game, so all you see is the player names. No one's going to do that. It's going to cost everyone about 100 dollars to make those jerseys. The bag thing is more reasonable. Using $$ that you might use to buy Marlins gear for other teams gear is kind of the point? Not saying it would be easy but that would be awesome to see. The bag over head thing is more of a slap in the face to the team on the field IMO. Not if you write "f*** you, Loria" on it. That is true. But I mean yeah, something should be done.

i think it's time to organize a massive sit together and wear bags on heads game appearance. the budweiser bar, if we could fill all of it with bags on heads, that would definitely make sportscenter. Do something cooler, like have a massive group of people show up in the jerseys of former Marlins on the teams they were traded to (D. Lee Cubs, Hammer Nats, JJ Blue Jays, etc.). And it should be EVERYONE that we've traded, as a nod of respect to every player that's ever had to deal with this POS ownership.The point being - "we actually care about these players and the way you do business kinda bums us out." Pick some random section of the stadium to sit in and turn your back to the field during the game, so all you see is the player names. No one's going to do that. It's going to cost everyone about 100 dollars to make those jerseys. The bag thing is more reasonable. Using $$ that you might use to buy Marlins gear for other teams gear is kind of the point? Not saying it would be easy but that would be awesome to see. The bag over head thing is more of a slap in the face to the team on the field IMO.

Ok just in between innings, or maybe don't turn your back at all. But you get the point.

i think it's time to organize a massive sit together and wear bags on heads game appearance. the budweiser bar, if we could fill all of it with bags on heads, that would definitely make sportscenter. Do something cooler, like have a massive group of people show up in the jerseys of former Marlins on the teams they were traded to (D. Lee Cubs, Hammer Nats, JJ Blue Jays, etc.). And it should be EVERYONE that we've traded, as a nod of respect to every player that's ever had to deal with this POS ownership.The point being - "we actually care about these players and the way you do business kinda bums us out." Pick some random section of the stadium to sit in and turn your back to the field during the game, so all you see is the player names.

Ken Rosenthal �@Ken_Rosenthal Sources: #Marlins’ broken promises included verbal no-trade pledges to Reyes, Buehrle. Story: http://msn.foxsports...promises-111612 Buehrle knew the Marlins’ history of dumping high-priced players, and it concerned him, according to a friend. Team president David Samson, however, told both Buehrle and his wife, Jamie, that the team was committed to a long-term vision, sources said. The Buehrles have two children — a son, Braden, 5, and a daughter, Brooklyn, 3. They also own a 2-year-old pit bull, Slater. The province of Ontario, where Toronto is located, bans pit bulls. Jamie, sources said, was emotional in a conversation that she had with Samson after learning of the trade Tuesday. Samson had initiated contact with the Buehrles to inform them that a deal was imminent. I want this man piece of sh*t away from this organization as soon as possible.

I hope Stanton continues to voice his displeasure and we try to trade him. At that point would MLB have a legit reason to remove our ownership because we're not operating in baseball's best interest? What would it take?

Lo Viste was also sent to Toronto in the deal.

So the 2013 Blue Jays are the 2012 Marlins, and the 2013 Marlins are the 2006 Marlins. I think we won? You just blew my mind. Jays should let Ozzie manage.

So the 2013 Blue Jays are the 2012 Marlins, and the 2013 Marlins are the 2006 Marlins. I think we won?

Marlins firesale criticisms aside, why do people think this will put the Jays over the top? We were a last place team with those players.

If Coghlan's future with the team is in the outfield (which it appears to be), could Ozzie be our guy at 2B? Infante is fine for a year. Let Ozzie spend 2011 in AAA at 2B. Then roll into the new stadium with a Dominguez/Ramirez/Martinez/Sanchez infield. Could this be the plan? I like him way more than Boni and Infante.

18-year-old monster Mike Stanton He's got a ton of potential at the plate but I'd like to see him straighten out that 5.93 ERA!

Rumor is, the Devil rays and the Cubs are eyeing Hermida. Link? Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com speculates that Jeremy Hermida "could be the next arbitration-eligible Marlin to be traded." He adds that trading several other players means the Marlins "are now flexible enough to be choosy." According to Rosenthal, the Cubs and Rays are among the teams interested in Hermida, who's a 24-year-old career .267/.342/.436 hitter. Source: FOXSports.com More: Market for Hermida? If the Marlins have a change of heart and do consider moving right fielder Jeremy Hermida, there seems to be a growing market for the 24-year-old left-handed hitter. The Rays could be a fit, as they weigh their outfield alternatives. Tampa Bay has Hermida on its radar. The Cubs, according to reports in Chicago, may also have interest. First hand, Chicago saw the potential of Hermida, who had a big series against the Cubs at Wrigley Field in July. Milwaukee also could be in the mix, especially if Mike Cameron doesn't return and Corey Hart is switched to center field. The Brewers are looking for a lefty bat. One scout said of Hermida: "He still has one of the best swings I've ever seen when he was in Double-A." The question is whether the Marlins are willing to trade Hermida, their top pick in 2002. Now that Josh Willingham has been traded, and with veteran free agent Luis Gonzalez not expected back, Florida is thin on outfield experience. Cody Ross, Hermida and Alfredo Amezaga, a natural infielder, are the only real MLB seasoned outfielders in the organization. As of now, Cameron Maybin is projected to open in center, with Ross in left and Hermida in right. Should the Marlins be tempted to deal Hermida, they'd then be in the market for a corner outfielder. Because of their budget restraints, it could be tough to find someone affordable. The Marlins' position on Hermida now is, they're leaning towards keeping him, but they'd listen to anything that makes sense. -- Joe Frisaro http://hotstove.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/...or_hermida.html

Speaking of putting Bonifacio at 3rd: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/basebal...0,3688889.story Bonifacio wary of third By Juan C. Rodriguez |South Florida Sun-Sentinel Emilio Bonifacio received a call from Dominican countryman Hanley Ramirez on Tuesday welcoming him to the Marlins. They may be in the same organization, but whether they're part of the same infield remains to be seen. During his six-year pro career in the United States, Bonifacio hasn't played so much as an inning at third base. That will change if he makes the 25-man roster. The Marlins have asked Bonifacio to start taking groundballs at third. Playing for Licey in the Dominican winter league, Bonifacio is unsure whether the club will facilitate him testing the waters. While the Marlins have every confidence in a successful transition, Bonifacio has no illusions about what the move entails. The throws are different. The reaction time is different. At second, Bonifacio didn't have to worry as much about charging bunts and dribblers. The biggest adjustment may be the angle. Unlike middle infielders, third basemen don't have the benefit of seeing the catcher's signs. "In reality, I can't say comfortable because I've never played there," Bonifacio said. "I don't think it'll be easy. Time will tell if I adapt well to it, but I think so. [second base] is my natural position." Any move may only be temporary. If Dan Uggla puts together another 30-homer season, Bonifacio could be the everyday second baseman in 2010. The Marlins appear ready to absorb the 12- to 15-fold pay increase Uggla will command through arbitration this year. The mark-up beyond 2009 might prove too high. Meanwhile, Bonifacio won't be arbitration-eligible until after 2011. "I was happy [about the trade]," Bonifacio said. "I'll be closer to home and it's a team where I'll have more opportunity." Bonifacio wasn't guaranteed a starting job with the Nationals either. Anderson Hernandez and Alberto Gonzalez both would have pushed him for playing time. For the switch-hitting Bonifacio, 23, cementing his standing as a major-leaguer will require improving his average from the right side, getting on base more, and making the most of his speed. Last season, he went 7 for 43 (.163) as a right-handed hitter, prompting the Nationals to debate whether he should bag that side altogether. The Marlins are considering no such scenario. "We're going to work with the bunting and putting the ball in play," said President of Baseball Operations Admin Beinfest, who likened Bonifacio to Luis Castillo. "All reports on the switch hitting are fine. … Everything we've seen in the minor leagues and briefly in the major leagues lead us to believe he'll be a successful top-of-the-order type of energizer." Bonifacio's numbers for Licey this winter have been impressive. Through 21 games, he was batting .337 (28 for 83) with a .455 on-base percentage, due in part to 17 walks and 10 strikeouts. "I'm still young and have a lot of work to do," Bonifacio said. "I have to keep working from the right side. Last year I didn't have good results, but I have confidence in myself and think things will change next season." Beinfest has said (paraphrasing): A) EB fits the kind of player they want to move towards to a "T" B) EB is ML ready. C) EB should be an everyday player. Just don't see why we'd move him to 3rd. If anything, move Uggla there, because EB's D is better than Uggla's at 2nd and Uggla has at least played some 3rd. But I really think Uggla is out.

Olsen to the Brewers for some sort of Angel Salome package. He's a very nice RH C prospect who's been compared to Pudge (short, cannon arm, hits lefties and righties equally well). Had an insane AA year .360/.415/.559. If/when the Brewers lose CC and Sheets they've got a huge hole at SP and can afford to deal Salome with the FA comp picks they'll get back. Anybody else think this makes sense?

Ok, im on the Olsen to the Rangers bandwagon (makes sense). Olsen to the Rangers for a C But what about.. Olsen to the Brewers for some sort of Angel Salome package. He's a very nice RH C prospect who's been compared to Pudge (short, cannon arm, hits lefties and righties equally well). Had an insane AA year .360/.415/.559. If the Brewers lose CC and Sheets they've got a huge hole at SP and can afford to deal Salome with the FA comp picks they'll get back.

each of tampa bay's championship runs have involved philly with the bucs beating the eagles in the nfc championship game and the lighting beating the flyers in the eastern conference finals. Ronde Barber's pick-6 in the closing minutes of the NFC championship is one of my all time favorite moments in sports. Go RAYS!

I have no problem with people thinking this is a dumb idea, but please explain why. I can't tell if you think this is a bad deal for us or for them. It's all speculation at this point, but people here have talked about Cain for Uggla being 1 for 1. I don't see how Hermida/One of our Minor league SP isn't worth Bumgarner. No way the Giants would do the Bumgarner part by itself (Hermida kind of sucks), but as part of a bigger deal with Uggla, maybe. Because the Giants are not trading multiple starting pitchers. Ok, but if we send them either Anibal or Olsen instead of a minor league guy, they can plug them into Cain's spot in the rotation right away and they lose 1 SP. Not a big deal when you're acquiring two opening day starters who are dramatic offensive upgrades (assuming Hermida get's his act together).

I hope one of those teams asking about Hermida is SF as part of an Uggla deal because I'm not sure if he get's us too much on his own. Maybe we could do something like Uggla/Hermida/Thompson or Sinkbeil for Cain/Bumgarner. If they want a SP to plug into their rotation right away like Anibal or Olsen instead of one of our minor league SP than I'd be fine with that too. That made my head hurt. I have no problem with people thinking this is a dumb idea, but please explain why. I can't tell if you think this is a bad deal for us or for them. It's all speculation at this point, but people here have talked about Cain for Uggla being 1 for 1. I don't see how Hermida/One of our Minor league SP isn't worth Bumgarner. No way the Giants would do the Bumgarner part by itself (Hermida kind of sucks), but as part of a bigger deal with Uggla, maybe.

I hope one of those teams asking about Hermida is SF as part of an Uggla deal because I'm not sure if he get's us too much on his own. Maybe we could do something like Uggla/Hermida/Thompson or Sinkbeil for Cain/Bumgarner. If they want a SP to plug into their rotation right away like Anibal or Olsen instead of one of our minor league SP than I'd be fine with that too.

Part of me wonders if this is some grand scheme to trick other teams into thinking that we don't need to trade our players just so the offers will be better. :cool Either way this is great news!

Found this in Jason Grey's (ESPN) AFL blog: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?...name=grey_jason Sleeper name to file away: Marlins reliever Tim Wood has spent the past couple of seasons battling injuries, but the 25-year-old is healthy here and is throwing 94-95 mph with a nasty 86-88 mph slider. In other words, he has prototypical power-reliever stuff, with an ability to get the ball inside on right-handed batters. With a relatively unsettled Marlins bullpen, a healthy Wood could make an impact as early as next season, as Florida has never been afraid to push prospects to the majors quickly. Thoughts?

Gotta love what Raynor is doing out there. I really think he's gonna bring the fire in ST and win the LF spot.

http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/news/articl...sp&c_id=fla Marlins Focus on Pitching Over Power Joe Frisaro 10/02/08 Before moving forward, the Marlins are wanting to take a step back. Not backwards in terms of their performance, because the franchise is coming off its first winning season since 2005. But the organization would like to remodel some areas in hopes of returning to the style of play that was so successful a few years ago. The 2003 Marlins won the World Series by relying heavily on pitching and defense. Team president of baseball operations Admin Beinfest makes it clear the team is striving to improve in both those areas. If that means sacrificing some power numbers at the plate, the front office seems primed to make changes. "I would like to think any team that I'm associated with, or this team is associated with, will want to put it together around pitching and defense," Beinfest said. "When you have your pitching lined up, you definitely feel you are fortified in the right area. You feel you are going to give yourself a chance every day." Change will be inevitable. In all, 16 players are up for arbitration. The number was 18, but reliever Justin Miller and right-hander Sergio Mitre were released. The question will be how much turnover the squad will have, considering so many significant contributors are in line for hefty raises. Financial limitations once again will be an issue. That said, payroll projects to rise to between $30-35 million, which will be an increase from the $22 million of this season. All-Star shortstop Hanley Ramirez, who signed a six-year, $70 million contract in May, will make $5.5 million in '09. What's encouraging is the Marlins appear to have the starting pitching already in order. Josh Johnson and Ricky Nolasco are the early favorites to compete for the Opening Day job. Rookie Chris Volstad, the 22-year-old promoted from Double-A Carolina in July, has top-of-the-rotation potential. Anibal Sanchez had his ups and downs battling back from right shoulder surgery. When healthy, the 24-year-old is another potential star. The question will be what will happen with lefty Scott Olsen, who enters arbitration and likely will see his salary escalate from $405,000 to about $2.75 million. Of all the starters, Olsen seems the most likely to be traded, especially since Andrew Miller is in the wings to rejoin the rotation. If all goes according to script, the Marlins rotation will be able to stack up with anyone in the National League. "It just depends on if everyone stays healthy," said Johnson, who made a successful return from Tommy John ligament replacement surgery to his right elbow. "That was the key for us in '07 -- we didn't stay healthy. Ricky wasn't healthy, I wasn't healthy. Sanchez wasn't healthy. That's three-fifths of our rotation. That's huge. If we can stay healthy and build off what we've done, we'll be fine." Beinfest isn't addressing any specific players, but the team is excited about the young arms that either saw big league action this year, or are on the way up from the Minor Leagues. Prospects Sean West and Aaron Thompson should be closer to being ready for the big leagues. "When the pitching came back, you can see what it did for this team," Beinfest said. "I think for that reason there is a lot of optimism. When we have our starting pitching lined up, that's how we're going to build." In the first half of this season, the pitching was suspect, yet the Marlins remained competitive with power hitting. For the first time in MLB history, four infielders had 25 or more homers: Ramirez, Mike Jacobs, Dan Uggla and Jorge Cantu. Collectively, the Marlins set a franchise home run record. The byproduct of the power was a high strikeout number, and defensively, the team was spotty. "We need to catch the ball better next year, to go together with this pitching," Beinfest said. "And we need to put the ball in play a little more. "That by no means takes away from what the four infielders did. Scoring runs is scoring runs, whether it is by a home run, you'd like to be able to manufacture, and put a little more speed into the mix." Of the position players, Jacobs, Uggla, Cantu, Josh Willingham, Cody Ross, Jeremy Hermida and Alfredo Amezaga are headed for arbitration. The Marlins have not considered signing any of these players to multi-year deals, so they will have to determine who they are willing to retain. Some projections have Jacobs making from $3.5-4 million next year, and Uggla in line for $5 million or more. "We have four [infielders] here who we can build on and be good for a long time," Uggla said. "That's all we're really thinking about. But at the same time, we all know they don't keep guys for very long here. We're just going to sit back and see what happens." The Marlins appear to be leaning towards retaining Cantu, Amezaga and Ross. Even if the team decides to reshape the everyday lineup, those who aren't back should be attractive on the trade market. Based on their trade record, the Marlins have had success making high-profile trades. "Our expectations every year are to play in the postseason," Beinfest said. "It may sound canned, and insincere, but it's true." CONTRACT ISSUES: Free agents: Luis Gonzalez, OF; Arthur Rhodes, LHP; Paul Lo Duca, C; Mark Hendrickson, LHP; Wes Helms, INF. Eligible for arbitration: Jacobs, 1B; Uggla, 2B; Cantu, 3B; Willingham, OF; Ross, OF; Hermida, OF; Amezaga, INF/OF; Matt Treanor, C; Olsen, LHP; Johnson, RHP; Nolasco, RHP; Kevin Gregg, RHP; Joe Nelson, RHP; Doug Waechter, RHP; Logan Kensing, RHP; and Dallas McPherson, INF. Player options: None. Club options: Helms, INF ($3.75 million in '09). Non-tender possibilities: None. CATCHER John Baker, .299 BA, 5 HRs, 32 RBIs Paul Hoover, .200 BA, 2 RBIs, 13 Gs Paul Lo Duca, .243 BA, 15 RBIs, 16 R (WAS/FLA) Mike Rabelo, .202 BA, 3 HRs, 10 RBIs Matt Treanor, .238 BA, 2 HRs, 23 RBIs Treanor and Rabelo were platooning behind the plate at the beginning of the season, but injuries to Rabelo and lack of production offensively at the position made catcher a target at the Trade Deadline. But Baker stepped up since joining the team on July 9 and, shortly thereafter, cemented the starting job for the rest of the year. Baker, a left-handed hitter with a good approach at the plate, figures to be a favorite to start for the team in 2009, but he needs to improve his defense. FIRST BASE Mike Jacobs, .247 BA, 32 HRs, 93 RBIs Gaby Sanchez, .314 BA, 17 HRs, 92 RBIs (Double-A) Ongoing slumps forced Jacobs into playing only when right-handed pitchers started for the opposing team, but a surge offensively down the stretch put his name in the lineup every day. In the late innings, the Marlins went with Cantu at first base -- and Helms at third -- for defensive purposes. Sanchez, a September callup, figures to compete for the starting job at first base next year if Florida doesn't resign Jacobs, who is arbitration eligible. SECOND BASE Robert Andino, .206 BA, 9 RBIs, 44 Gs Dan Uggla, .260 BA, 32 HRs, 92 RBIs Uggla started off the year as one of the hottest players in the NL, batting .297 with 23 home runs in his first 70 games. But a rough showing in the All-Star Game and an ankle injury in late June preceded a tough second half. If Uggla, who is arbitration eligible, is not retained, Andino and youngster Chris Coghlan could factor into the equation at second base next year. SHORTSTOP Hanley Ramirez, .301 BA, 33 HRs, 67 RBIs, 125 Runs Chalk it up as another great year for Ramirez. The 24-year-old struggled for a stretch after signing his six-year, $70 million contract while batting in the No. 3 spot, but he got back into the swing of things upon returning to the leadoff spot. Ramirez was voted as a starter in the All-Star Game for the first time and put up a career-high in home runs. THIRD BASE Jorge Cantu, .277 BA, 29 HRs, 95 RBIs Wes Helms, .243 BA, 5 HRs, 31 RBIs Dallas McPherson, .275 BA, 42 HRs, 98 RBIs (Triple-A) What started as an open competition in Spring Training between Cantu, McPherson and Jose Castillo -- now with the Astros -- ended with Cantu taking the reigns for the entire season and being one of the most consistent hitters in the team's lineup, mostly hitting in the No. 3 hole. Helms was a valuable pinch-hitter and late-game defensive replacement, and McPherson led the Minor Leagues in home runs. McPherson figures to be another corner infielder competing for a starting job next year. OUTFIELD Alfredo Amezaga, .264 BA, 3 HRs, 32 RBIs, 8 SBs Brett Carroll, .059 BA, 26 Gs Luis Gonzalez, .261 BA, 8 HRs, 47 RBIs Jeremy Hermida, .249 BA, 17 HRs, 61 RBIs Cameron Maybin, .294 BA, 13 HRs, 51 RBIs, 25 SBs (Double-A/FLA) Cody Ross, .260 BA, 22 HRs, 73 RBIs Josh Willingham, .254 BA, 15 HRs, 51 RBIs Center field started as an open competition between the likes of Ross, Amezaga, Alejandro De Aza and Maybin, but Ross proved worthy of playing every day, and Amezaga showed to be more valuable with his versatility off the bench. In left field, Gonzalez filled in for Willingham when he missed 50 games because of a bad back -- and struggled upon his return. Hermida was a fixture in right field for most of the year, but his struggles offensively forced the Marlins to sit their 2002 first-round pick down the stretch. Maybin figures to be a legitimate contender to be the starting center fielder in 2009. ROTATION Josh Johnson, 7-1, 3.61 ERA, 14 GS Ricky Nolasco, 15-8, 3.52 ERA, 212.1 IP, 186 SO, 42 BB Scott Olsen, 8-11, 4.20 ERA, 201.2 IP Anibal Sanchez, 2-5, 5.57 ERA, 10 GS Chris Volstad, 10-8, 3.13 ERA, 175.1 IP (Double-/FLA) The re-emergence of Johnson and Sanchez from significant arm surgeries, and the addition of the young Volstad, gave the Marlins a completely different rotation in the second half than they sported on their Opening Day roster. Sanchez was the latest addition to the rotation and, since he came back from rotator cuff surgery on July 31, the Marlins' starters were statistically among the best in the Major Leagues. BULLPEN Burke Badenhop, 2-3, 6.08 ERA, 13 Gs (8 GS) Eulogio De La Cruz, 13-8, 5.12 ERA, 31 Gs (Triple-/FLA) Jesus Delgado, 5-2, 5.43 ERA, 48 Gs (Double-A/Triple-A) Lee Gardner, 10.80 ERA, 8 ER, 6.2 IP, 7 Gs Kevin Gregg, 7-8, 3.41 ERA, 29 SV, 38 SVO Mark Hendrickson, 7-8, 5.45 ERA, 36 Gs (19 GS) Logan Kensing, 3-1, 4.23 ERA, 48 Gs Matt Lindstrom, 3-3, 3.14 ERA, 5 SV, 6 SVO Andrew Miller, 6-10, 5.87 ERA, 29 Gs (20 GS) Justin Miller, 4-2, 4.24 ERA, 46 Gs Joe Nelson, 3-1, 2.00, 59 G Renyel Pinto, 2-5, 4.45 ERA, 67 G Arthur Rhodes, 4-1, 2.04 ERA, 35.1 IP (SEA/FLA) Taylor Tankersley, 2-2, 4.02 ERA, 54 Gs (AAA/FLA) Ryan Tucker, 7-6, 3.52 ERA, 38 Gs (AA/FLA) Rick VandenHurk, 6-5, 4.76 ERA, 18 GS (AA/AAA/FLA) Doug Waechter, 4-2, 3.69 ERA, 48 Gs The Marlins' bullpen came into the season as one of the team's strengths. But in the critical months of August and September, it became one of Florida's biggest weaknesses. Rhodes was brought in at the Trade Deadline to provide a veteran, situational lefty and take some of the burden off Pinto, who went on to struggle mightily towards the end. Gregg was shut down for a little while in late August because of knee issues and never regained the job as closer. If the Marlins don't re-sign Gregg, Lindstrom (who assumed the role down the stretch) and Tucker could compete for the closer's job next year.

Tucker, chosen minor-league pitcher of the year, went 5-3 with a 1.58 ERA in 25 appearances with Double-A Carolina. He was a 34th-round draft pick in 2005. :blink: