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Here are the problems with comparing to other teams and other markets... 1) We have the worst attendence in baseball and do most years. 2) We have been through firesales and trading key players that gets national notice 3) We have been in a major battle for a new stadium with no real resolution in sight 4) We have a lease up soon and could be out of a home All of these reasons and maybe even a few more makes the national media pick it up. I was watching the Nats-Phillies game last night and the announcers were joking about our attendence every few innings. I'm like it's the freakin Nationals announcing team and they're making fun of us!!!!! :banghead

When someone finds me another team that schedules a midweek day game in 90 degree weather, I'll agree with there being "no excuse". There is a reason no other team does this. Well, the Rangers played an afternoon game against the Mariners today. It's usually about 90 plus degrees this time of the year there...then again I have no idea how many fans were at that game today. The AP just said this: The first home day game for the Rangers since July 13 drew an announced attendance of 12,882, though the stands appeared to be far emptier. Our announced attendance was 11,211. So yeah, it's not just us. Man, spin it however you want, but I doubt they had only 600 people there in Texas. We are the only place where that ever happens.

When someone finds me another team that schedules a midweek day game in 90 degree weather, I'll agree with there being "no excuse". There is a reason no other team does this. Well, the Rangers played an afternoon game against the Mariners today. It's usually about 90 plus degrees this time of the year there...then again I have no idea how many fans were at that game today.

I know the excuses...I didn't go because I got tied up at work, but at least I wanted to go. It makes the perception around the country even worse about this team and the fans.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking-n...ory/670592.html

Gregg is no good teammate. He's an idiot! If I was a Marlins player I would be pissed off that this guy ruined my chances at a playoff run!!!!! :thumbdown

Gregg has cost of us some games, but don't forget... Billy Wagner- 7 blown saves Jose Valverde- 6 blown saves Francisco Rodriguez- 5 blown saves. Even the best closers blow some chances, and plenty of times his team has let him down. I am not defending his crappy pitching at times...but this team overall just gets crappy in the 9th on defense too. Or least crappier than usual :blink: How about forget that and care about your own team? the mets and angels are still in a good spot. Funny how you didn't mention the Astros...smartass :thumbdown And yes, I don't care about my own team...that's why I'm on this board. get a clue. It's calling making a point.

Gregg has cost of us some games, but don't forget... Billy Wagner- 7 blown saves Jose Valverde- 6 blown saves Francisco Rodriguez- 5 blown saves. Even the best closers blow some chances, and plenty of times his team has let him down. I am not defending his crappy pitching at times...but this team overall just gets crappy in the 9th on defense too. Or least crappier than usual :blink:

This article is all fine and dandy, but I couldnt care less. I'd rather he just have made a simple freakin play.

It was a hard hit ball by Blanco. That was a routine DP without question. If wasn't the greatest feed to 2nd, but 90% of Major League shortstops make that play. That was bad, but it happens. Uggla covering 2nd is unacceptable. That's a little league play. My little cousion knows not to cover 2nd in that situation and he's 12 yrs old!

I'm really torn on Dan. He has so much power but he is so inconsistent that it gets so so frustrating...if they got some good value for him I'd be happy and if they kept him I'd still be happy...it's weird. :mis2

I'm really torn on Dan. He has so much power but he is so inconsistent that it gets so so frustrating...if they got some good value for him I'd be happy and if they kept him I'd still be happy...it's weird. :mis2

I've said it before and I'll say it again...this is just one of the many reasons why I stopped watching ESPN (outside of actual sporting events) a looooooooong time ago :thumbdown

Worst poll ever :thumbdown For that you might as well just put the Mets and Phils and noone else.

He sure does seem pretty useless with the bullpen or work has been getting of late...thank god for Ricky last night. Is he really going todo much better than Baker???? All Pauly is at this point is a .250 hitter with little d or pop in bat. :thumbdown

Clearly the rain and losses are mounting on people. I'm soooo sorry for being a "fan" on a "fan" forum :thumbup You should go be a fan on this thread (which is clearly far superior to yours and looks like the TC actually put some thought into it ) http://www.marlinbaseball.com/forums/index...showtopic=84314 All I can say it...get a life. Clearly you need one. Either that...or go have a drink...you can use one of those too. :blink: I'm a life long Marlins fan and that's why I've joined this site. If you don't like my post...don't read it. If everyone had that attitude there would be at most 1 or 2 replies in every thread, since they're all busy creating a new thread to express their oh so important opinions, since they're all "life long Marlins fans". Its message board etiquette, you lurk around to see what threads are there, and if there's one on the topic you want to discuss, you post in that thread instead of creating your own. It has nothing to do with being a "life long Marlins fan", its the same on any Internet message board. Thank you Mr Fan Forum regulator. I bow down to your extensive knowledge of message board etiquite. Thank you again...I will never make the same mistake again on this board or any other I ever visit :thumbup I'm so glad I joined this board...I'd hate to think what people on other boards I visit really think of me now knowing how rude I have been for starting topics rooting for my team without checking other posts.

Clearly the rain and losses are mounting on people. I'm soooo sorry for being a "fan" on a "fan" forum :thumbup You should go be a fan on this thread (which is clearly far superior to yours and looks like the TC actually put some thought into it ) http://www.marlinbaseball.com/forums/index...showtopic=84314 All I can say it...get a life. Clearly you need one. Either that...or go have a drink...you can use one of those too. :blink: I'm a life long Marlins fan and that's why I've joined this site. If you don't like my post...don't read it.

Was this Will Manso writing? If so, it's understandable. Just another idiot down here... Yes it is. Why is it that we have so many people like this in town?? Is every place the same?? I grew up here so I dont have other examples. between Herald, Sentinel and local tv stations...every person seems to make arguments just for the sake of making arguments. It's like they make good points and then take it to another level to make it more silly

Clearly the rain and losses are mounting on people. I'm soooo sorry for being a "fan" on a "fan" forum :thumbup

Okay. Enough is enough...we need to make it happen on this road trip. I am saying that we win 7 games and come back home right in the race. This team is going to start hitting again. yes I have no real reason to say this but it's just a matter of time :notworthy LETS GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't know about must sweep but I think we have to take 7 of 9 on road trip which means we have to sweep at least one series and win 2-3 in the other ones. :whistle

I think it is way to harsh. Sometimes a players manager is a good thing. Look at the Sox, Tito doesn't take a guy out if he is slumping, he leaves faith in them and lets them rebound. Also, why is it his fault if he has a bunch of guys who swing for the fences. Maybe the hitting coach should of work on hitting. The manager makes game decisions, and as far as that goes he can only do so much in game. He keeps the team positive and keeps the team together which is important of a manager. This is one of the things that bothered me about the story. I did agree with some of the info but the players seem to like Fredi...I think that is imporant. This is just typical local sports person looking to hype up a story...just like the newspaper columnists. Some points are okay...espeically Rhodes. I wish he would run more but he can't teach guys to hit.

Glad you started this thread because I was thinking same things a few days ago. Jeez, we need to start hitting again...I'm sick of this.

Found this while checking blogs today...from local sports guy http://www.local10.com/willssportsblog/index.html Does Marlins Manager Deserve Blame? August 18, 2008 - One ResponseThe title of this blog post has been a popular question for Marlins fans over the last month or so. Between the e-mails I receive here at Local 10 from many of you, to the phone calls I?ve received while doing radio shows on WQAM, I have been asked this question dozens of times. To give you a simple answer: yes. Marlins Manager Fredi Gonzalez does deserve plenty of blame for the team?s recent struggles. Gonzalez, in my opinion, has made some questionable moves over the last month. It?s in this month where the Fish have lost some close games, and a chance to make up ground in the National League East race. It begins with his line-up. Gonzalez has allowed Josh Willingham and Jeremy Hermida to slump near the top and middle of the order, and it has hurt the team a number of times. It?s not Fredi?s fault that this team has failed to hit after the All-Star break, but a manager has to make moves. Just standing pat and saying, ?oh well, these guys will start hitting again,? just doesn?t get it done. Gonzalez needed to shake up this line-up a while back, and he has just watched the same guys slump for a month now. Another problem for Gonzalez is that he hasn?t made any in game decisions to try and remedy these recent struggles. For some reason, the Marlins skipper rarely moves runners or tries to hit and run. It?s an old saying in baseball that you have to be aggressive and put the pressure on the defense. Instead, the Marlins have been waiting back for the 3-run home run. That strategy was working in the first half when the Fish were crushing homers at a faster pace than anyone in baseball, but it has backfired of late. A manager must find ways to get his team back on track. Again, Gonzalez has taken a wait and see approach, and it has not worked. Maybe the most criticized area for Gonzalez is his handling of the pitching. Many a time he has taken starters out late in games, only to see the bullpen blow the lead. I know Gonzalez can?t make the pitches, and these pitchers deserve the blame for blowing a lead, but the Marlins manager relies too much on numbers. I?ve said it before on TV and on the radio that Gonzalez doesn?t seem to have a good feel during games. Too many times it comes down to pitch count, opponents batting average or a lefty/righty match-up. That approach can work at times, but in can?t be used like a manager?s manual. Recently, his insistence on using Renyel Pinto over Arthur Rhodes has cost the Marlins a number of games. While Pinto was very good during the beginning of the season, it is clear he has hit a major wall. Rhodes was acquired for a reason, and he has not been used in some of the most important situations for the Marlins. Whether it?s a loyalty thing or a comfort factor, this has been a major mistake on the skipper?s part. Another thing that has bothered me is the fact that Gonzalez never brings in closer Kevin Gregg when his team is down at home in the 9th inning. You don?t have to be a baseball expert to know that you?re reliever can?t get a save at home after the 9th inning. Yet, twice last week in the Cardinals series, Gonzalez had Gregg up in the 8th inning, only to bring in Joe Nelson in the 9th. Both times Nelson allowed runs and allowed Saint Louis to extend it?s lead. Doesn?t Gonzalez see that this is basically a save situation? You are saving the game by keeping it close. Why have Gregg get ready if you don?t use him? I know Gonzalez was hoping his team would grab the lead and then use Gregg in the 9th, but what?s the difference? Again, these are all questionable managerial moves that have led to Marlins losses. I know I seem like I?m on a rant here, but that?s not the point. Based on your e-mails and phone calls, many of you feel the same way. Gonzalez has done a good job of keeping this team loose and believing in itself for most of the season. He can not be blamed for the fact that this team has just stopped hitting and the bullpen is falling apart. That said, he must be blamed for just sitting back and allowing all of these problems to continue. If he doesn?t fix things quick, this team will fall out of the race, and he will be a big reason why.

Guys struggle, it happens. What baffles me is that Fredi still insists on using him like he's Carlos Marmol. Just another reason why Fredi isn't that great of a manager. Fredi didn't have too many guys available, Sunday. Was Rhodes available? He would seem like a MUCH better option than Pinto at this point. Isn't that why they got him in the first place?