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Last offseason Seattle traded Jarred Kelenic to Atlanta dump upwards of $29 million in salaries owed to Marco Gonzales and Evan White. https://www.mlb.com/news/jarred-kelenic-braves-trade#:~:text=Braves%20get%20Kelenic%2C%20Gonzales%2C%20White%20for%202%20RHPs,-December%203rd%2C%202023&text=The%20Braves%20opened%20the%20MLB,Jackson%20Kowar%20and%20Cole%20Phillips . It’s Dipoto with a lower-case “p”.

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/mlb/miami-marlins/article297778008.html

The reportedly cash-strapped Seattle Mariners could shed Mitch Haniger’s $17 million salary in order to pursue a more productive bat. According to MLB insider Ken Rosenthal, the Marlins may need to increase their payroll or risk losing their revenue-sharing status. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2025/01/marlins-rumors-buy-propsects-take-bad-contracts.html https://x.com/FoulTerritoryTV/status/1876696595334418525?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1876696595334418525%7Ctwgr%5E4358c9e022c98506dad94a3a391d0f3a0c9f438a%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Ffannation%2Fmlb%2Ffastball%2Fnews%2Fmlb-insider-ken-rosenthal-closely-watching-miami-marlins-lack-of-spending-entering-2025-payroll-potential-mlbpa-grievance-sandy-alcantara-trade-rumrs-01jh37p40td0 Adding Haniger’s salary could help the Marlins retain revenue-sharing status while adding a top catching prospect.

To avoid a potential challenge from the MLBPA, would the Marlins consider taking on the roughly $17 million owed Seattle outfielder/DH Mitch Haniger this year if the Mariners added catching prospect Harry Ford to the deal? A recent Locked On Mariners podcast discussed the proposal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aet3y_NWhgM&list=PLwuw1WOff-eeWrIYDKFgSyWgsX5_uGLLu Ford, who turns 22 years old next month, is a Top 50 prospect at MLB.com: https://www.mlb.com/milb/prospects/top100/

Seattle would make Jay Bruce available in a trade.?

When someone evaluates a trade proposal, he or she make a projection -- explicitly or implicitly -- on how each player will perform. I welcome alternative means of projecting value.

Steamer projects a 2019 WAR of 2.5 for Carlos Santana, who has two years and $35 million remaining on his contract. This year 2.5 fWAR was valued at about $20 million so Santana's contract is at least neutral even if Santana drops to 2.0 WAR in his second year. Steamer projects a 2019 WAR of 1.3 for Martin Prado, who has one year and $15 million remaining on his contract. This year 1.3 fWAR was valued at about $10.7 million so Prado's contract could well have negative value. Therefore, the Marlins would need to up the ante to even the trade.

Would the Miami Marlins trade five years of outfielder Lewis Brinson and one year of utility player Martin Prado at $15 million for two years of Carlos Santana at $35 million? Steamer projects 2019 WAR of 0.8 in 122 games for Brinson, 1.2 in 130 games for Prado and 2.5 in 146 games for Santana. The Mariners would gamble that Brinson will turn things around.

What if Seattle wanted Lewis Brinson to match with Martin Prado?

From another thread: If (when?) Wei-Yin Chen exercises his option for 2018 through 2020, would the Marlins trade three years of Chen ($52 million), three years of Dee Gordon ($38 million) and two years of Marcell Ozuna (projected 2018 salary of $10.9 million) for a nothing prospect if the trade partner assumes the entire financial obligation of more than $100 million? Or would the Marlins insist on a valuable asset in any trade of Ozuna?

If (when?) Wei-Yin Chen exercises his option for 2018 through 2020, would the Marlins trade three years of Chen ($52 million), three years of Dee Gordon ($38 million) and two years of Marcell Ozuna (projected 2018 salary of $10.9 million) for a nothing prospect if the trade partner assumes the entire financial obligation of more than $100 million? Or would the Marlins insist on a valuable asset in any trade of Ozuna?

Over the past four seasons Kyle Seager has posted 17.0 fWAR, valued at $125.9 million, for an average yearly fWAR that tops Jose Fernandez's career high of 4.1 over his 28 starts in 2013. Fernandez has far more trade value than Seager, but Kyle Seager is no slouch.

No, but we'll trade you Stanton for your #7,8,9,10,15,20,25,30,31,32,33,34,35 best prospects, MLBTradeRumors style! I love these trade proposals. But seriously, I don't think they'd ever go for Montero. They might go for Franklin, but I think it'd be a dumb move. I know what you mean ... this Seattle fan has been reading those proposed trades for Felix Hernandez for years.

Would six years of Seattle infielder Nick Franklin be enough to land six years of Miami outfielder Jake Marisnick? The Mariner pitching staff needs a good defensive outfielder even more than it needs a bat. Leaving Franklin out of the equation in a Marisnick trade, would the Marlins be interested in package starting with five years of 24-year-old former top propsect Jesus Montero as a righthand-hitting complement to 32-year-old Garrett Jones at first base?

If Addison Reed can net Matt Davidson, I'd think it wouldn't really take more than Cishek to get Franklin. It's definitely what we need to aim for when trading him though. Preferable a SS, but with so many SS options in the next FA class it'd more important to get the better IF player even if it's a 1B instead of a MI. Seattle's reported interest in a closer has been overstated as the Mariners have a cost-controlled 26-year-old closer in Danny Farquhar, who in his final 29 appearances last season posted a 1.69 ERA, with 44 strikeouts in 32 innings, holding opposing hitters to an amazing .147/.230/.183/.413 line. Would six years of Seattle infielder Nick Franklin be enough to land six years of Miami outfielder Jake Marisnick? The Mariner pitching staff needs a good defensive outfielder even more than it needs a bat. Leaving Franklin out of the equation in a Marisnick trade, would the Marlins be interested in package starting with five years of 24-year-old former top propsect Jesus Montero as a righthand-hitting complement to 32-year-old Garrett Jones at first base?

The website soxprospects.com ranks 20-year-old Jose Alvarez and the nearly 26-year-old Hunter Jones in the range of the 41st to 60th top prospect in the Red Sox system: http://www.soxprospects.com/moreprospects.htm

I would trade him to an American League team just in case he finds himself. If the Marlins want pitching back for him then they should consider the Rays. I still don't think you will get probably anything close to fair value for him in a straight up trade. So you might be onto something Lou. The Mariners would likely be very interested in a Hermida+Uggla package as Jose Lopez could then move to 3B. With Seattle's emphasis on defense, the Mariners would value Jeremy Hermida as nothing more than a designated hitter. I doubt the Mariners would offer more than Jason Vargas, who finished eighth in the 2005 NL Rookie of the Year voting after his call-up to the Marlins. Vargas, who made 14 starts for Seattle in 2009, would be far cheaper than Hermida because Vargas won't be arbitration eligible for another year. Seattle's Safeco Field has proven brutal on righthand-hitting National Leaguers such as Dan Uggla. The Marlins would have little interest in Jason Vargas-caliber pitcher and the Mariners would have little interest in Dan Uggla. I don't see a trade partner in Seattle. The reason people link to Seattle is because there was talking about a trade last season. Maybe Z is no longer interested in Hermida, who knows. People are quick to point to Seattle's emphasis on defense. Wouldn't it instead be Seattle's emphasis on cheap players that outperform what seattle paid to get them? If they view Hermida as breaking out and putting up an upper 800 OPS again, he easily outperforms their other options regardless of defense. Jeremy Hermida is not cheap. After posting a WAR of 0.2 for a value of $800,000 the past season, Hermida is again eligible for arbitration working off his 2009 salary of $2.25 million. In contrast, Seattle leftfielder Ryan Langerhans earned near the league minimum in posting a 0.5 WAR for a value of $2.4 million. The Mariners have high hopes for leftfielder Michael Saunders, who turns 23 in November, after making Baseball America's midseason Top 25 prospects list. Dustin Ackley, the No. 2 pick in the June 2009 draft, may be the leftfielder of the near future. Jack Hannahan, Josh Wilson and Mike Carp all exceeded Hermida's 2009 WAR while Ken Griffey Jr. and Mike Sweeney matched it. If Hermida breaks out, he will have some value. If Saunders breaks out, he will have even more value in relation to his modest salary.

I would trade him to an American League team just in case he finds himself. If the Marlins want pitching back for him then they should consider the Rays. I still don't think you will get probably anything close to fair value for him in a straight up trade. So you might be onto something Lou. The Mariners would likely be very interested in a Hermida+Uggla package as Jose Lopez could then move to 3B. With Seattle's emphasis on defense, the Mariners would value Jeremy Hermida as nothing more than a designated hitter. I doubt the Mariners would offer more than Jason Vargas, who finished eighth in the 2005 NL Rookie of the Year voting after his call-up to the Marlins. Vargas, who made 14 starts for Seattle in 2009, would be far cheaper than Hermida because Vargas won't be arbitration eligible for another year. Seattle's Safeco Field has proven brutal on righthand-hitting National Leaguers such as Dan Uggla. The Marlins would have little interest in Jason Vargas-caliber pitcher and the Mariners would have little interest in Dan Uggla. I don't see a trade partner in Seattle.

could marlins trade him now that he cost them more money??? Not now probably, but at midseason if we struggle, and definitely in the offseason either way. Here's to hoping he mashes especially hard this year so as to not only help out the team, but to raise his trade value as well. BABIP = .380? :cool Florida Marlin fans can always dream that the St. Louis Cardinals will fill their secondbase void by making catching prospect Bryan Anderson available for Dan Uggla.

Are the Florida Marlins still in the market for a catcher? Yes. Why put this in the Hermida thread? Only Clement makes sense for the Marlins for Hermida, and Seattle wouldn't do that. Clement is also a lefty and while he should bash, we should get a younger right hander hitter. This Jeremy Hermida thread started with a reference to Seattle catching prospect Adam Moore, who was referenced no fewer than three times in later posts. My post simply suggested that Seattle is more likely to trade a catcher after signing last season's backup this week. My contribution was not worthy of a separate thread. Happy Holidays.

Darn. Moore has put up some tasty numbers in A and AA. The Seattle Mariners and the Florida Marlins probably don't match up well for a trade, but the Mariners are likely to trade a catcher this offseason after re-signing free agent backup catcher Jamie Burke this week: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/mariners/2008555220_mari24.html?syndication=rss The move was somewhat unexpected because the Mariners have four other catchers vying for playing time: 1. 32-year-old Kenji Johjima, who is coming off a down season after hitting .291 and .287 his first two years in America. Johjima has three years and $24 million remaining on his contract. http://www.baseball-reference.com/j/johjike01.shtml 2. 25-year-old lefthand-hitting Jeff Clement, Seattle's former top prospect who tore up Triple A pitching in 2008 before struggling at the MLB level. http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/st...&pid=459943 3. 25-year-old Rob Johnson, a defensive whiz who was named Triple A's top catcher in 2008 after hitting .305 with an .804 OPS at Tacoma. http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/minor...008/266957.html http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/st...&pid=453531 4. 24-year-old Adam Moore, whom Baseball America recently named as Seattle's sixth-ranked prospect after Moore posted OPS numbers of .914 and .902 the past two seasons at High A and Double A, respectively. http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prosp...008/265565.html http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/st...&pid=446192 Are the Florida Marlins still in the market for a catcher?