Posted October 1, 200420 yr Adam Dunn now holds the Major League record for strikeouts in a season with 191.....with 3 more games to go. I know he's got great power and great potential, but I don't think I'd be able to watch someone strike out close to 200 times. I don't think I'd want this guy on my team.
October 1, 200420 yr He's hit 45 home runs and walked 107 times (.389 OBP). I'd take him in a heartbeat.
October 1, 200420 yr Author I don't know... 191 strikeouts?? I'd rather not. You gotta draw the line somewhere.
October 1, 200420 yr Author Everyone gets out someway... 577588[/snapback] True, but you're taught as a Little Leaguer, if you put the ball in play you can make things happen. Can't do anything striking out, except maybe hope the catcher misses the ball on a strike 3 swing and you run to first. I don't know. I think a team that puts the ball in play has a better chance to win every time out.
October 1, 200420 yr Everyone gets out someway... 577588[/snapback] True, but you're taught as a Little Leaguer, if you put the ball in play you can make things happen. Can't do anything striking out, except maybe hope the catcher misses the ball on a strike 3 swing and you run to first. I don't know. I think a team that puts the ball in play has a better chance to win every time out. 577592[/snapback] You can also ground into a double play. He gets on base almost 40% of the time he comes to the plate and he has massive power. He makes those strikeouts irrelevant. Would you not want Jim Thome either?
October 1, 200420 yr his strikeouts will go down as he matures. With that sick power, I'll take him on my team any time.
October 1, 200420 yr I don't know... 191 strikeouts?? I'd rather not. You gotta draw the line somewhere. 577586[/snapback] Strikouts are overrated... There is nobody on the Giants, without the last name bonds, who has a higher OPS than Dunn. Yet you wouldn't take that on your team? :banghead in Barry's 4th year in baseball he was .248/.351/.426 in Dunns 4th year in baseball he is .264/.387/.564 Strikeouts don't matter when you can provide that kind of power.
October 1, 200420 yr Author All this is fine and dandy, but I'm just not impressed with him. Strikeouts may be overrated, according to some, but hitting 45 homeruns isn't what it used to be either. Not taking away from it. I still think it's a great accomplishment. He may have a higher OPS than anyone on the Giants, but the Giants are showing what you can do by putting the ball in play. They don't have any spectacular hitters other than Bonds. They're pitching isn't spectacular, but they do the fundamental things well. And one of baseball's fundamentals is putting the ball in play.
October 1, 200420 yr if this was like 40 years ago, or even 10 years ago for that matter, this would be a big deal but there are probably 75 guys in the league who strike out more than 100 times.
October 1, 200420 yr as a hitter in baseball, the goal... #1 is to hit a HR. - The simplest/quickest way to score a run #2 is to hit a triple - advancing yourself to the base closest to hom #3 is to hit a double #4 is to get a hit #5 is getting on base #6 is putting the ball in play while not grounding into a double play #7 is striking out #8 is hitting into a double play The trade-off between option #6 and #7 is negligable when compared to the difference between #'s 1 and 7. Swing away, as long as you have a good eye.
October 1, 200420 yr Author if this was like 40 years ago, or even 10 years ago for that matter, this would be a big deal but there are probably 75 guys in the league who strike out more than 100 times. 577661[/snapback] Yeah dude, but when you double that and get near 200 that's a bit too much...
October 1, 200420 yr he's an amazing player, but if he didn't strike out so much he'd wind up becoming one of the elite. IMO he's going to wind up with a better career than Pujols. They're the same age and Pujols has done better, but Pujols has peaked while Dunn will continue to improve. If I were to build a team to become a dynasty for the next decade, he and Miguel Cabrera would be the first two players I'd put
October 1, 200420 yr Author he's an amazing player, but if he didn't strike out so much he'd wind up becoming one of the elite. IMO he's going to wind up with a better career than Pujols. They're the same age and Pujols has done better, but Pujols has peaked while Dunn will continue to improve. If I were to build a team to become a dynasty for the next decade, he and Miguel Cabrera would be the first two players I'd put 577688[/snapback] If he can cut down on the strikeouts, I can somewhat agree on that. I think he's got a great future, but he can't continue to strike out this much.
October 1, 200420 yr he's an amazing player, but if he didn't strike out so much he'd wind up becoming one of the elite. IMO he's going to wind up with a better career than Pujols.? They're the same age and Pujols has done better, but Pujols has peaked while Dunn will continue to improve. If I were to build a team to become a dynasty for the next decade, he and Miguel Cabrera would be the first two players I'd put 577688[/snapback] If he can cut down on the strikeouts, I can somewhat agree on that. I think he's got a great future, but he can't continue to strike out this much. 577693[/snapback] he'll cut down on his strikeouts. Guys tend to strike out a lot more when they're younger obviously. by the time he's in his 30s he'll have reasonable strikeout numbers and he'll be amazing. He has the best shot of any active player of breaking Bonds single season home run record
October 1, 200420 yr I don't know... 191 strikeouts?? I'd rather not. You gotta draw the line somewhere. 577586[/snapback] why? An out is an out. I'm with Hugg. strikeOUT...groundOUT...flyOUT I never hear anyone badmouthing someone for grounding out too many times. They are getting OUT and even causing double plays in the process!
October 1, 200420 yr I don't know... 191 strikeouts?? I'd rather not. You gotta draw the line somewhere. 577586[/snapback] why? An out is an out. I'm with Hugg. strikeOUT...groundOUT...flyOUT I never hear anyone badmouthing someone for grounding out too many times. They are getting OUT and even causing double plays in the process! 577701[/snapback] but when it's hit into play, it's mostly luck what happens from there. For a pitcher, the most important stat is K/ BB ratio. For a position player, it's third behind OBP and SLG
October 1, 200420 yr I don't know... 191 strikeouts?? I'd rather not. You gotta draw the line somewhere. 577586[/snapback] why? An out is an out. I'm with Hugg. strikeOUT...groundOUT...flyOUT I never hear anyone badmouthing someone for grounding out too many times. They are getting OUT and even causing double plays in the process! 577701[/snapback] but when it's hit into play, it's mostly luck what happens from there. For a pitcher, the most important stat is K/ BB ratio. For a position player, it's third behind OBP and SLG 577706[/snapback] That was my point. An out is an out. It doesnt matter how one is made...good players avoid making them by getting on base. Hence Dunn is a very good player.
October 1, 200420 yr You can drive in a run with a ground out, while you can't with a strikeout. Same thing with fly outs, except they don't count against your average since they're sacrifice flies.
October 1, 200420 yr That's 191 ab's that can kill a rally. I don't want a guy that on my team. I'd rather take someone who hits 10 homers and barely strikes out, while getting a betterish average.
October 1, 200420 yr at least he had the balls to play through knowing he was going to be the new strikeout king...not like Mr.Hernandez did a couple of seasons ago that he would ask to be benched so he wouldnt brake it...Dunn u can play on my team anytime...
October 1, 200420 yr That's 191 ab's that can kill a rally. I don't want a guy that on my team. I'd rather take someone who hits 10 homers and barely strikes out, while getting a betterish average. 577736[/snapback] OK, you take that guy and I'll take Dunn.
October 1, 200420 yr He's hit 45 home runs and walked 107 times (.389 OBP). I'd take him in a heartbeat. 577582[/snapback] BINGO!! Plus, he has 101 RBI's and over 100 runs scored. He's a stud, end of story.
October 1, 200420 yr And like Dunn, Miguel Cabrera strikes out his fare share as well. I believe Cabrera has about 140 K's this year, but like Dunn, has a .380+ on base, hits 30+ home runs, and drives in 100+ runs a year. Both are studs, they just haven't exactly found the strike zone yet (granted, Dunn has a few years on Cabrera).
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