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First off, let me say that the complete games are very encouraging, and are indicative of what I think is becoming one of the premier starting staffs in MLB.

 

BUT....

 

 

Anyone else have memories of Torborg come popping up lately? Remember him overworking SP's early on and then having to pay the piper in the form of DL visits and dead arms as the season grinded into August and September?

 

Come September in the middle of a pennant chase no one is going to give a squirt of pee on a hot day how many CG's the staff had when there was still snow on the ground up north.

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First off, let me say that the complete games are very encouraging, and are indicative of what I think is becoming one of the premier starting staffs in MLB.

 

BUT....

 

 

Anyone else have memories of Torborg come popping up lately? Remember him overworking SP's early on and then having to pay the piper in the form of DL visits and dead arms as the season grinded into August and September?

 

Come September in the middle of a pennant chase no one is going to give a squirt of pee on a hot day how many CG's the staff had when there was still snow on the ground up north.

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That would be a concern if pitch counts were really high. But so far none of the CG's really had out of the ordinary pitch counts... Except maybe Beckett's 113....but today AJ threw 103 and Dtrain only threw 97 in his.

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Pitching counts are far more significant than innings pitched. What's the difference between a pitcher throwing 7 innings and having 110 pitches and a pitcher throwing 9 innings and throwing 110 pitches also? You're worried about something that's not a big deal. As long as pitch counts are under control, let the pitchers go however long they remain effective.

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its not like they're randy johnson throwing 140 pitches or 126 or whatever....combined 3 complete games they've thrown 310 pitches...thats averaging 103.33 pitches per start. thats nothing. absolutely nothing. and pitch count is overrated anyway, its how much tehy work in their starts, runners on base and pressure situations. they're doing awesome.

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Jack has been working on building up the arm strength of his starters all spring.

 

 

They will easily be able to go 120 per start by summer.

 

 

100-110 right now is going to be easy as pie to our starters. Its called conditioning your arm to actually pitch like you are supposed to.

 

 

No worries at all.

 

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no worries is correct, like

 

we shouldn't be worrying, everyone is pitching so fluidly, at least our top three, al is going to be al, and he will do his thing..the way they are pitching now, they could all have 40 starts and pitch 40 complete games each with their arms being fine...they're not working hard at all, like tonight AJ had 1 runner left on base with 3 double plays.. the other two of the 6 hits scored, and no walks...very important. trusting the defense and having the ball put in play is very big. also he only had 3 strikeouts...maybe he's learning how to pitch?

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I don't believe Jack will continue to use his starting pitchers the way he has this week for much longer.

 

He's teaching them to be winners, that they can be winners, that the have what it takes. These games this week will give Beckett, Burnett and Willis something they can call upon later in the season.

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The only thing that bugs me is Mota hasn't gotten a save chance yet.

 

However, I'm MUCH more worried about Al throwing 114 pitches in 5 innings than AJ throwing 103 in 9. He'll be fine, and might say he's stressing his arm by gasing 98 in the ninth, but that's not putting any extra stress on his arm as compared to someone throwing 91 MPH in the ninth, either way you're throwing with all you can. You know Jack wouldn't have let him go out there if his arm didn't feel 100%.

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I don't believe Jack will continue to use his starting pitchers the way he has this week for much longer.

 

He's teaching them to be winners, that they can be winners, that the have what it takes. These games this week will give Beckett, Burnett and Willis something they can call upon later in the season.

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I think Jack will though.

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I'd say the only outing that concerned me was Josh's complete game. By his own account, his body was completely tapped after that final pitch n' dive.

 

It just doesn't seem right to work a guy that hard in his second start of the season, particularly after he bats twice during a half-hour bottom of the eighth inning. You don't just toss 100 pitches, run around and loiter for half an hour, and then come back and resume pitching in the ninth.

 

Al on the other hand... Al has always averaged a ridiculously high number of pitches per start. His long outing didn't concern me at all; he is by no means a hard-throwing power pitcher.

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I HATE seeing young pitchers throw complete games, but what's been going on is no problem. Under Torborg they routinely threw 120, 130+ pitches a start, and how many complete games did AJ have that year?

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First off, let me say that the complete games are very encouraging, and are indicative of what I think is becoming one of the premier starting staffs in MLB.

 

BUT....

 

 

Anyone else have memories of Torborg come popping up lately? Remember him overworking SP's early on and then having to pay the piper in the form of DL visits and dead arms as the season grinded into August and September?

 

Come September in the middle of a pennant chase no one is going to give a squirt of pee on a hot day how many CG's the staff had when there was still snow on the ground up north.

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I guess we'll just have to wait and see how the SP staff holds up in August and September!

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Heres the way I see it, throwing 100 pitches in 9 innings is more tiring than throwing the same amount in 6 or 7 b/c you have to accoutn for warm up time before innings and so forth. But either way getting the arms ready to go early is a good idea, and if people like willis can throw CG's with under 100 pitches theres no reason to utilize the pen. Starters coming into the 8th or 9th with a low number of pitches thrown is an excellent scenario and also rests the bullpen. So on nights when leiter or valdez pitch, or for w/e reason we do need the pen, theyre fresh and ready to go. The bullpen by the way has been outstanding so far.

 

All this team needs is what moneyballers hate, and thats clutch hitting. Cabrera may have 3 HR's, but I wouldve traded one or even 2 of those in 8 or 9 run games for a run scoring single in one of our one run losses.

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