Admin Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 Reds designated RHP Danny Graves for assignment. Amazing. And probably very stupid. Graves has struggled all season, but he had a 3.45 ERA a week ago and he was 10-for-12 in save opportunities. He's still an average reliever and that has value. The Reds will probably trade him before allowing him to become a free agent, although they'll have to swallow most of his salary in the process. It's very unlikely that he'll step into the closer's role elsewhere, but there figures to be plenty of interest in him as a setup man. Ryan Wagner almost has to be his replacement in Cincinnati. May. 23 - 4:07 pm et -- RotoWorld.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSwift25 Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami15 Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 The mighty have fallen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollyberry Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 WOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsContinueTo ShowDomi Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 plenty of teams such as the Braves would gladly take a decent relief pitcher like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Eyes Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 i would trade one of our minor league prospects that will never make the show with us for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowa Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 Pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teal Shadow Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 The Marlins better make a play for him b/c the Braves are trying to work out a deal for Graves RIGHT NOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutureGM Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 Trade Jason Stokes for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Eyes Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 The Marlins better make a play for him b/c the Braves are trying to work out a deal for Graves RIGHT NOW 780660[/snapback] exactly, we can't let the braves land this guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowa Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 oh yea, a back end of Danny Kolb and Danny Graves strikes fear into my heart :lol :lol :lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nc marlin Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 please no. he's not that good and we don't need him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heckeroo Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 Danny Graves is not great and will never be great He's good, but he's not a serviceable playoff closer worth a try though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ns2003 Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 Nah, pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 Danny Graves has made a mockery of the saves category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyMountainMarlin Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 Send Logan Kensing to Cincy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 He's atrocious, I will never know how he got anybody out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 YES! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBMarlin Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 From ESPN: Graves made obscene hand gesture toward fan Associated Press CINCINNATI -- Closer Danny Graves was let go by the Cincinnati Reds on Monday, a day after he made an obscene hand gesture at a fan taunting him over his latest poor performance. The club's career saves leader was shocked by the decision to designate him for assignment, a move that ended his eight-year career in Cincinnati. The Reds have 10 days to trade him or put him on waivers. "I always knew this day would come," Graves said. "I didn't think it would be so soon." Graves gave up five ninth-inning runs in Cleveland's 9-2 victory Sunday at Great American Ball Park, then was booed and taunted by fans as he left the field. He didn't react to the jeers as he walked off and got a drink in the dugout. When he moved to the end of the dugout by the bat rack, a man in one of the high-priced seats next nearby yelled at him. Graves yelled back and made an obscene hand gesture. Graves spoke by telephone on Monday with general manager Dan O'Brien, who was out of town preparing for the amateur draft, and with other Reds officials. "A lot of the off-field emotions had something to do with it, and last night when I flipped the man off had something to do with it," Graves said. "A fan cussed at me. I regret doing it. I planned on apologizing today." Graves' latest tough outing raised his ERA to 7.76. He was 1-1 and had 10 saves in 12 chances. The Reds had lost 18 of their last 23 games, falling out of contention in the NL Central. O'Brien said that Graves' encounter with the fan wasn't the main reason for the move. "His performance has been unsatisfactory and unacceptable," O'Brien said, in a conference call. "It hasn't been up to the standards we've come to expect for the Cincinnati Reds organization. We appreciate Danny's contributions to the organization, and we hope he finds an opportunity with another major league club." Graves, 31, hasn't been the same since he agreed to help the team by moving into the rotation in 2003. A career reliever, Graves wore down during a 4-15 season that took several miles per hour off his fastball and took a toll on his body. He was throwing around 88 mph this season, down from 94 mph in his prime. "I changed roles and probably ruined my career," Graves said. "I don't know. I don't have the answers. I felt like I've been given up on. It's a shock to me. If I can recall, I'm not the only closer that has struggled." Graves is in the final guaranteed year on a $17.25 million, three-year deal, making a base salary of $6.25 million. There was a mutual option for next season at $6.25 million, with no buyout. If he clears waivers, a club could sign him for a prorated share of the $316,000 minimum, with the Reds paying the remainder of his salary. Stunned teammates sat in folding chairs in the clubhouse after learning of the move, which leaves the team without a proven closer. Several players said Graves should have been given a chance to work out his problems. "This is not his fault," first baseman Sean Casey said. "We stink. For us to be 15-28 has nothing to do with Danny Graves. That's the frustrating part for me. "I know I'm a little emotional right now, but I think the Cincinnati Reds as an organization owe a lot more to Danny Graves for the eight years he stepped up every year. They owe him more than to just release him like this. I just disagree with it." Outfielder Ken Griffey Jr. said he's never seen anything quite like the move. "It's tough," Griffey said. "He's not a troublemaker. He's not a guy that complained. He wants the ball. It's just upsetting. It's a tough way to lose a guy that's been here and dedicated himself to the organization." Graves criticized Reds fans for booing after the bullpen blew a six-run lead in the ninth inning against St. Louis on May 2, resulting in more boos and catcalls every time he appeared in a game the rest of the month. "It became a confidence factor," manager Dave Miley said. "His confidence has been shaken in the month of May, and we weren't comfortable bringing him in certain situations. We weren't seeing what we were accustomed to seeing." The rest of the bullpen has gone 0-for-3 in save situations this season. Miley isn't sure who will get the job. "Without pinpointing one guy, we'll look at the matchups and different things like that," Miley said. "Hopefully somebody will run with it." Casey said the move would hurt the team. "No doubt about it," Casey said. "This is just like getting hit in the head with a shovel, basically. Guys love Danny Graves. I don't know how it doesn't affect you a little bit negatively." Sounds like there is some serious discontent on the Reds after this move. Clearly the FO should have thought this out more thoroughly. What a bonehead move by O'Brien and Miley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBMarlin Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 The Marlins better make a play for him b/c the Braves are trying to work out a deal for Graves RIGHT NOW 780660[/snapback] Graves will not improve the Braves. The best way for them to improve the back of the bullpen is to put Smoltz back where he belongs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foladar Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 oh yea, a back end of Danny Kolb and Danny Graves strikes fear into my heart :lol :lol :lol 780671[/snapback] Exactly what I was thinking. Kolb and Graves. I'd love to see them both on the Braves bullpen :thumbup I would who would blow more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambridge Marlin Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 Wasn't the talk all the same when Karsay was being released, any word on what he is doing now? (Sorry for changing topic) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nc marlin Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 Wasn't the talk all the same when Karsay was being released, any word on what he is doing now? (Sorry for changing topic) 781442[/snapback] The Rangers signed him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuickGold Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 I dont see why not to get him, especially if we're giving up nothing special for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malman Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 Danny Graves is ready to make a South Florida return. Designated for assignment by the Cincinnati Reds Monday, the former University of Miami standout has told associates he hopes to land with the Marlins. He doesn't have a choice, at least for the next 10 days. That's how long the Reds have to trade him before putting him on waivers for the purpose of releasing him. The Reds would likely swallow the bulk of Graves' remaining 2005 salary, about $4.5 million, in return for a minor-leaguer. Graves is in the final year of a three-year, $17.25 million deal with the Reds, with whom he lost favor due to a 7.76 ERA and making an obscene gesture to a fan after his latest rough outing Sunday. A right-hander, Graves has 10 saves in 12 chances and played for manager Jack McKeon in Cincinnati. In addition, he was one of pitching coach Mark Wiley's charges in 1996-97 with the Indians. If Graves is not acquired via trade and he clears waivers, he is free to sign with anyone for the prorated league minimum (about $225,000). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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