From the Palm Beach Post:

 

Mota to Rangers? The Texas Rangers are trying to bolster their bullpen, which went into Saturday with a 5.30 ERA. One reliever they are looking at is Marlins right-hander Guillermo Mota, who has been unhappy about his setup role since returning from the disabled list.

 

I can see this happening if Mota continues to have a bad attitude. Jack wasn't about to use him last night in a close game and that couldn't have helped his attitude one bit. It's a shame, because I still believe Mota could be a very valuable piece of our BP down the stretch.

I have no problem wheeling him to Texas for maybe one of their excess Outfielders or one of their young stud pitchers....maybe Chris Young??? hahaha

Wouldn't mind seeing Mota in a Rangers uniform today. For all his "potential," he is excess baggage right now (particularly without support from Jack.)

 

Though Valdez and Alfonseca are not ready yet... they are coming along nicely. And we have a couple of well-performing arms in the Minors who could fill the time-gap (IMO a few weeks.)

 

Meanwhile, if 4 or 5 of our Starters (and you know who is Odd Man Out) can give us 6 or 7 innings we have enough Pen without Mota.

 

I wish Mota well. Tough break going DL. But, now, I wish him Marlins History.

 

(And if trade negotiations are tough, I'd look to package Treanor... then bring up Willingham.)

Its clear seeing the last two games that the Rangers have no bullpen.

Id do it if we get someone good. This could be like the Astros trading Dotel last year to the As and then surging to game 7 of the NLCS. The problem is our biggest weakness is our pen is it not?

Id do it if we get someone good. This could be like the Astros trading Dotel last year to the As and then surging to game 7 of the NLCS. The problem is our biggest weakness is our pen is it not?

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yea, but alfonseca can surely replace mota

 

the problem isnt the back end of it

The Rangers can take him home with them.....

Mota still wouldn't be happy because he would be the set up man for Fransisco Cordero.

Mota still wouldn't be happy because he would be the set up man for Fransisco Cordero.

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He likely feels Jack has not treated him well, so at least he would get a new start.

maybe they brought up RHP Ricardo Rodriguez(today starter) to showcase him to the Marlins

 

along with maybe showcasing RHP Juan Dominguez in this series a little more

 

as far as propects NO to Chris Young and YES to LHP John Danks

Obviously, it depends what they can get for him, but if they can't get a serviceable starter, I'd do it in a second. It isn't just about his crappy attitude. It's about the fact that he's sucked ever since we got him what with his sterling 4.81 ERA last year. If we can get a starter who will give us that same kind of ERA, it's definitely in our best interests.

There was some talk in some previous threads of Mota tanking it to show up Jack, to get himself traded, etc., and personally I think that's hogwash.

 

Mota is not pitching well because (at least in my estimation) there's something wrong with him physically. Mota has a million reasons to succeed (maybe several $$$ million) in spite of any feud he's having with Jack and while his ego may tell him not closing is an insult, not unlike AA who tried to hide his malady, Mota's failures must be linked to arm and not his emotions.

 

That said, it's inconceivable to me that he's movable at this date, or at least movable in exchange for anyone valuable. If you were a GM, what would you give for Guillermo Mota today? The answer is not much.

I'm all for the move, but I'd wait for something valuable to come along like Marlins2003 said.

Im ok with that trade but they better give us another arm in the pen or a starter.

There was some talk in some previous threads of Mota tanking it to show up Jack, to get himself traded, etc., and personally I think that's hogwash.

 

Mota is not pitching well because (at least in my estimation) there's something wrong with him physically. Mota has a million reasons to succeed (maybe several $$$ million) in spite of any feud he's having with Jack and while his ego may tell him not closing is an insult, not unlike AA who tried to hide his malady, Mota's failures must be linked to arm and not his emotions.

 

That said, it's inconceivable to me that he's movable at this date, or at least movable in exchange for anyone valuable. If you were a GM, what would you give for Guillermo Mota today? The answer is not much.

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I agree and have a difficult time believing Mota was throwing badly on purpose.

 

I vote for giving him time to sort it out. He's young, has performed in the past, and will do so in the future.

Not bad.

 

Mota has a short shelf life as an effective reliever. Sell high.

If I'm correct that Mota is in fact still injured, or the Marlins' FO believes so, he ought to be DL'd to open up a roster spot, and to give him a chance to get well.

 

I believe he was already injured when he arrived here after being grossly over-used in LA in 2003, and has not yet recovered.

 

Time heals all wounds, including the emotional ones. Mota wants to succeed, the Marlins want Mota to succeed. The best thing for the guy (and I have no inside knowledge regarding my belief he's still hurt) is for the guy to get well and contribute later in the season.

Would Mota be willing to go on the DL? He seems rather adamant about playing.

See I don't know that he is still hurt. It has to be a mental thing. His fastball is back up to 96 mph faster than it has been all year. If he were still suffering from arm troubles I doubt the arm strength would improve that much.

 

Only trade if can get some value in return. If not I'm sure Mota will be fine in our bullpen as a set up man.

See I don't know that he is still hurt. It has to be a mental thing. His fastball is back up to 96 mph faster than it has been all year. If he were still suffering from arm troubles I doubt the arm strength would improve that much.

 

Only trade if can get some value in return. If not I'm sure Mota will be fine in our bullpen as a set up man.

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I agree, I don't think that he's still hurt. He's throwing the ball much better than at the start of the year. Right now, I think it's more that he's not locating his pitches well. I hope he can turn it around because I still think that he can be a valuable member of the bullpen or at least raise his trade value. I'd only trade him if you can get something of value, and right now I don't think that you can.

It was only last year that he was the best setup man in baseball, so he's not someone that you just give away for a low level prospect.

I'm not saying I'm correct that Mota's still injured, but that's my belief. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

 

Even if it's just an ego thing you have to believe his agent is telling him to calm down, do what he's asked to do in whatever role that is so that he reap the big bucks in 2006 (arbitration). Guys don't work their entire lives to get to the bigs and then blow their chances for the big payday because of a dustup with the manager.

 

Maybe Mota is the exception that proves the rule, I don't know.

lets do this:

 

Willingham

Mota

 

FOR

 

Nix

Young

I don't want to get rid of Mota, but if he continues to have a bad attitude then we have to get rid of him.

 

Mota would help the Rangers out a lot if they were to get him. If we get rid of him then my guess would be that the Rangers would get him.

 

And despite Mota's horrible pitching, he's kept the ball in the park allowing only 1 home run in over 16 innings pitched.

There was some talk in some previous threads of Mota tanking it to show up Jack, to get himself traded, etc., and personally I think that's hogwash.

 

Mota is not pitching well because (at least in my estimation) there's something wrong with him physically. Mota has a million reasons to succeed (maybe several $$$ million) in spite of any feud he's having with Jack and while his ego may tell him not closing is an insult, not unlike AA who tried to hide his malady, Mota's failures must be linked to arm and not his emotions.

 

That said, it's inconceivable to me that he's movable at this date, or at least movable in exchange for anyone valuable. If you were a GM, what would you give for Guillermo Mota today? The answer is not much.

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i'm not so sure that Mota is unmoveable. he won't get his top value, but relief pitching is at a premium at this time of the year, and in particular, middle relief. not many teams are offering a player with the upside and low price of Guillermo Mota. Plus, the whole "this guy needs a fresh start" thing has worked in the past.

 

I mean, consider this....we traded for Billy Koch last year. He was very clearly on his last leg, and it was almost glaringly obvious that it would turn out to be a waste, but we still did it anyhow, because when it comes to middle relief, teams take big chances.

 

that being said, if the current market only yields Placido Polanco for Ugueth Urbina, i'm not sure what we could expect for Mota even in the best case. Certainly, the names being tossed around by the dreamers in this forum (i.e., players in the current Rangers starting lineup) would not be on the list.

good god please trade mota