Iowa Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 ...and don't look back. Get Encarnacion off this team.. the lack of effort does nothing but bring everyone else down. Not to mention his TERRIBLE swing at the plate. Conine obviously isn't as athletic or doesn't have the arm of Encarnacion but he will give much more QUALITY at bats and you know he will always give 100% At the beginning of the season I just wanted Conine to start but now I just want Encarnacion off this team. His lack of effort is disgusting. I want the veteran presence of one of our team leaders on the field EVERY SINGLE GAME. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeFish Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 I agree, Enc has really gone downhill fast. For now Conine is the better option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 Free Steve already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Moneyball Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 Enc's lack of effort is killing us, especially when he's fielding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Moneyball Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 I don't think Enc ever recovered from that AB in Atlanta when the ump was calling everything outside a strike for Hudson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accord Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 ENC was a one month wonder in April just like a number of other players this season. Mr. Beinfest, please trade his ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuickSilver Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 What makes Conine the B-A-N-A-N-A-S? Call someone up. :mischief Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackarmstrong Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 ...and don't look back. Get Encarnacion off this team.. the lack of effort does nothing but bring everyone else down. Not to mention his TERRIBLE swing at the plate. Conine obviously isn't as athletic or doesn't have the arm of Encarnacion but he will give much more QUALITY at bats and you know he will always give 100% At the beginning of the season I just wanted Conine to start but now I just want Encarnacion off this team. His lack of effort is disgusting. I want the veteran presence of one of our team leaders on the field EVERY SINGLE GAME. 810438[/snapback] i like it. as i cant watch the games here i cant comment on juan's ABs. but this is a situation where the marlins need to step it up psychologically, and a proven team leader like conine is one of the few guys that can provide it. let's free steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NirvanaNole Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 What makes Conine the B-A-N-A-N-A-S? Call someone up. :mischief 810505[/snapback] Will some 12-year old explain why you kids call things "bananas"? I had never heard the saying until that stupid Gwen song. It makes calling things "tight" seem like a good saying. I've never heard anything dumber than calling something "bananas." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rferry Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 Not to disturb the worthy cause, but Enc's effort has been similar to the rest of the team. I think Enc has gotten a little too comfortable in his role and needs to realize that there are other options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBMarlin Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 I've been a Encarnacion supporter this year, and to be honest I don't see where all the hate is coming from. Sure he had 2 errors in one game the other day, but those are the only 2 errors he's had all season. His BA has been hovering around .270 the entire season...so he has been very steady. This is a huge improvement over last year. His RBI production has tailed off this month, but then again, he hasn't had as many opportunities as the entire team has been struggling offensively. Still he has the 3rd highest RBI total on the team. He has 37 and if you project Conine's numbers he would only have 16 with the same # ABs. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind at all seeing Conine get a few starts in RF to see if he can spark the team, but I certainly wouldn't expect a huge upgrade offensively from him, and he certainly won't be as good defensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteyrave Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 What makes Conine the B-A-N-A-N-A-S? Call someone up. :mischief 810505[/snapback] Will some 12-year old explain why you kids call things "bananas"? I had never heard the saying until that stupid Gwen song. It makes calling things "tight" seem like a good saying. I've never heard anything dumber than calling something "bananas." 810510[/snapback] I'm not 12 (I'm 21, is that close enough) but I'll try. It comes from referring to something that is "cool" as "crazy" and bananas comes from that. "It's so crazy it's bananas" Hope that helped. Oh and Enc shouldn't be benched because he's been consistent and steady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rferry Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 I think it may be the balls that were ruled as hits not errors or outs. Or the bases runners have advanced on his slow throws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southkevin2 Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 What makes Conine the B-A-N-A-N-A-S? Call someone up.? :mischief 810505[/snapback] Will some 12-year old explain why you kids call things "bananas"? I had never heard the saying until that stupid Gwen song. It makes calling things "tight" seem like a good saying. I've never heard anything dumber than calling something "bananas." 810510[/snapback] Well Sir... Since this s*** is bananas B-A-N-A-N-A-S I assume Quiksilver is saying "What makes Conine the s***? Call someone up." He is of course wrong. And most likely too young to have a strong connection with niner from a little decade I call the 90s. I agree with the consensus here. Put Conine in right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinGuru Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 Encarnacion has never expressed much interest in playing for this team. He lacks effort, and his offense is garbage, which not even his defense can compensate. I say he needs to be traded. He's a clubhouse cancer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musk Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 ...and don't look back. Get Encarnacion off this team.. the lack of effort does nothing but bring everyone else down. Not to mention his TERRIBLE swing at the plate. Conine obviously isn't as athletic or doesn't have the arm of Encarnacion but he will give much more QUALITY at bats and you know he will always give 100% At the beginning of the season I just wanted Conine to start but now I just want Encarnacion off this team. His lack of effort is disgusting. I want the veteran presence of one of our team leaders on the field EVERY SINGLE GAME. 810438[/snapback] i totally agree w/ you that juan needs to be benched. his plate apperances are getting more and more lack luster with every swing. its like hes not even trying out there. hes got some wheels and he could easily be a good guy to have at the bottom of the order working the count and geting on base but he doesnt even do that. as for lack of effort. you forget that last week he fliped over the wall in right field to catch a fly ball. then again, he missed a fly ball into right center on monday night. i dont know if its "lack of effort" as it is him letting his offensive woes get to him defensively. all in all i COMPLETELY AGREE that Juan needs to ride the bench for a while and Conine needs to see more AB's. I mean hell, he deserves it after being benched for Juan and taking it like a man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins2003 Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshFish Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 Wow. 810598[/snapback] I concur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Folklegend Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 I've been a Encarnacion supporter this year, and to be honest I don't see where all the hate is coming from. Sure he had 2 errors in one game the other day, but those are the only 2 errors he's had all season. His BA has been hovering around .270 the entire season...so he has been very steady. This is a huge improvement over last year. His RBI production has tailed off this month, but then again, he hasn't had as many opportunities as the entire team has been struggling offensively. Still he has the 3rd highest RBI total on the team. He has 37 and if you project Conine's numbers he would only have 16 with the same # ABs. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind at all seeing Conine get a few starts in RF to see if he can spark the team, but I certainly wouldn't expect a huge upgrade offensively from him, and he certainly won't be as good defensively. 810538[/snapback] Enc only has two errors because he isn't getting close enough to most of them for it to be ruled an error. When he lets a ball drop behind him at the base of the fence, or jogs to a ball in the corner while runners circle the bases, or gives a half-assed effort like that fly ball last night those don't show up as errors. They are glaring examples of the type of effort he's been giving in the field more often than not. On RBI production, you're ignoring Enc had two grand slams that inflated his numbers early. Conine isn't getting the opportunity to get RBIs that Enc is. He's mainly used as a pinch hitter in the pitcher's spot. I think offensively it would be a wash, but defensively Conine gets great reads off the bat and busts his butt out there to make plays. That's where Enc is really killing us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramp Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 Enc's D or lack there has been deplorable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshFish Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 I've been a Encarnacion supporter this year, and to be honest I don't see where all the hate is coming from. Sure he had 2 errors in one game the other day, but those are the only 2 errors he's had all season. His BA has been hovering around .270 the entire season...so he has been very steady. This is a huge improvement over last year. His RBI production has tailed off this month, but then again, he hasn't had as many opportunities as the entire team has been struggling offensively. Still he has the 3rd highest RBI total on the team. He has 37 and if you project Conine's numbers he would only have 16 with the same # ABs. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind at all seeing Conine get a few starts in RF to see if he can spark the team, but I certainly wouldn't expect a huge upgrade offensively from him, and he certainly won't be as good defensively. 810538[/snapback] Enc only has two errors because he isn't getting close enough to most of them for it to be ruled an error. When he lets a ball drop behind him at the base of the fence, or jogs to a ball in the corner while runners circle the bases, or gives a half-assed effort like that fly ball last night those don't show up as errors. They are glaring examples of the type of effort he's been giving in the field more often than not. On RBI production, you're ignoring Enc had two grand slams that inflated his numbers early. Conine isn't getting the opportunity to get RBIs that Enc is. He's mainly used as a pinch hitter in the pitcher's spot. I think offensively it would be a wash, but defensively Conine gets great reads off the bat and busts his butt out there to make plays. That's where Enc is really killing us. 810618[/snapback] So Grand Slams don't count now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsContinueTo ShowDomi Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 The main reason i'd have Conine in there is mostly because he doesn't give up on AB's as often as Enc. Juan has the tendency to almost quit once there's 2 strikes on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSwift25 Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 I'm sick of 4-3-2-popup, even if Conine isn't the answer, benching Enc for 4 or 5 games may light a fire under his expiring contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshFish Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 I'm sick of 4-3-2-popup, even if Conine isn't the answer, benching Enc for 4 or 5 games may light a fire under his expiring contract. 810656[/snapback] I think that could be the remedy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiaFLSurf Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 Its not like trading Enc will break this team....it will only make it better IMO. He isnt a clutch superstar great hitter we cant replace in the lineup. Im all for moving him for a SP or a reliever that can help us more often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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