I might do Miller/Sanchez, and you can forget about Hanley since I dont think the FO would trade Hanley for Burnett straight up.

I thought I'd post this here rather than in the new "Sanchez" thread, but I'd like to remind Marlins fans we play the Phillies SIX times in September, games that could be pivotal to our playoff chances. It has been widely rumored that the reason the Red Sox want to trade for Burnett is to they can lure Wagner from the Philles, and regardless of guarantees from Red Sox fans that their team won't trade AJ, there is no guarantee they won't.

 

Do you really want to face AJ TWICE in September, in what may very well be a compressed schedule? I for one don't.

 

If we're going to trade him, and I'm not sure that's the best move, the White Sox or any of the other teams mentioned afford more comfort than the Red Sox.

I really cant see the Red Sox trading Burnett for Wagner, why would we deal a 28yr old potential ace SP for a 33yr old CL?

I really cant see the Red Sox trading Burnett for Wagner, why would we deal a 28yr old potential ace SP for a 33yr old CL?

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A) It's been rumored in the press often, in both cities (Philadelphia and Boston), and in the national press. Where there's smoke there's fire.

 

B) Just look at your bullpen, and when Schilling goes back into the rotation, it goes from bad to worse.

 

C) The 28 year old ace is a free agent at the end of the season, and the Red Sox, deep-pocketed as they are, could wind up with BOTH Burnett AND Wagner in 2006 if they play their cards right.

Oops didn't see this thread, merged my Anibal one in.

man I really like the Arroyo and Sanchez for Burnett idea but if we could get McCarthy, Contreras and Anderson/Sweeney for Burnett, Id jump all over that one

I found this quote interesting from the Boston Herald, July 24th, " Red Sox officials have spent a fair amount of time pumping up Sanchez of late, behavior that is always curious at this time of year. "

 

http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view...articleid=95036

 

So, it appears the Sox see him as expendable, which gives me pause. On the otherhand, he does appear to be the real deal, at least in minors. One has to wonder whether the Red Sox believe he has a lower ceiling than they want others to think.

Let's see where we are.

 

The WSox want to trade us McCarthy and Contreras.

We want McCarthy and Marte.

(Would we settle for McCarthy, Contreras and Brian Anderson?)

 

The Red Sox want to trade us Wade Miller and Anibel Sanchez.

We want Bronson Arroyo and Hanley Ramirez.

(The deal on the table seems to be Arroyo/Sanchez. Would both sides accept Wade Miller/Hanley Ramirez? I doubt the Sox would.)

 

I see a match here. McCarthy/Marte or Arroyo/Sanchez. The Arroyo deal gives us a far better chance to win this season unless we also have a way to get someone such as Mark Redman in as a 5th starter.

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Keeping Burnett gives the Marlins the best chance of winning this year.

 

Wade Miller won his first game in 2 months last night. Because of his injury problems his windup resembles a man engaged in the shot put. He is an ongoig project. Any GM who deals for him should be sued for negligence. There's a reason why RS fans are drooling at this "possibility".

 

As for Arroyo he is glorified junk baller who, when he isn't getting his crap over gets hammered (game #3 ALCS last year). Bronson will be strumming his guitar full time in 3 years.

Let's see where we are.

 

The WSox want to trade us McCarthy and Contreras.

We want McCarthy and Marte.

(Would we settle for McCarthy, Contreras and Brian Anderson?)

 

The Red Sox want to trade us Wade Miller and Anibel Sanchez.

We want Bronson Arroyo and Hanley Ramirez.

(The deal on the table seems to be Arroyo/Sanchez. Would both sides accept Wade Miller/Hanley Ramirez? I doubt the Sox would.)

 

I see a match here. McCarthy/Marte or Arroyo/Sanchez. The Arroyo deal gives us a far better chance to win this season unless we also have a way to get someone such as Mark Redman in as a 5th starter.

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comparing the two deals

I've give the White Sox deal the best, the better player in the long run though will be Sanchez. The better quantity is the White Sox for the NOW, the better deal for later is the Red Sox. I would like to see Anderson included in that White Sox deal, maybe Beinfest can throw in a Eric Reed to get that kid.

red flag...is Sanchez hurt?

red flag...is Sanchez hurt?

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Why do you ask? He threw 7 3-hit innings with 11 Ks on Thursday night, I believe. And that was with several ML scouts watching. I just think that Theo realizes that the prospects he was willing to trade last week (Shoppach, Alvarez, Moss) are not the ones that are going to get him big returns, so he expanded the list to include Sanchez.

Based purely on talent and need, I like the prospective names in the White Sox deal. Sanchez adds very little to our minor league ranks.

Boston wants AJ...well,

 

"Boston really, really is attempting to do something," one baseball source said. "It's hard getting Florida engaged for whatever reason."

 

One way to pique the Marlins' interest may be to discuss shortstop Hanley Ramirez, the Red Sox's top prospect.

 

The Red Sox don't have a problem parting with pitcher Bronson Arroyo for Burnett, but Ramirez is considered all but untouchable.

 

and I told agree. The Marlins have a surplus of young arms down on the farm, true not many match Sanchez ceiling, but what the Marlins are missing is that can't miss position player(other than Hermida). Hanley would do that for the fish, and it would give the Marlins a kid they could plug in there next season when Alex is gone.

 

Sun-Sentinal

haha Arroyo and Hanley Ramirez would be done by Beinfest in 2 seconds.....where do I sign?

 

That would be unbelivable-- helping both teams now.

never know. Stranger things have happend.

 

The question is, the Red Sox finally tasted the promise land last year after so many years failing. Are they still as hungry and willing to go for it? I dont think so personally. But, you never know.

 

The reason the marlins are remaining hard to get through to is the rumors of AJ to Philly. Beinfest would rather cut off his pinky then have AJ in the NL east against us.

I think the only reason the Red Sox are more likely to trade Sanchez is because he's further away than their other pitching prospects. Lester started the season at AA and Papelbon is at AAA. But he's also already on their 40 man, so they'd have to protect him for a while. I also think if the Marlins traded Burnett to the Red Sox on the condition he would not be traded to the NL East, the Red Sox would have no choice but to honor that.

Lester and Papelbon are superior pitching prospects, Papelbon is real close to being ready (maybe a september callup) and Lester has been dominating in AA and is a LHP and should be ready in a year or two also. Sanchez is very good also and I dont want to trade him since he also has ace potential but he may need 2 years still, but id rather wait 2 years then deal him now.

I think the only reason the Red Sox are more likely to trade Sanchez is because he's further away than their other pitching prospects. Lester started the season at AA and Papelbon is at AAA. But he's also already on their 40 man, so they'd have to protect him for a while. I also think if the Marlins traded Burnett to the Red Sox on the condition he would not be traded to the NL East, the Red Sox would have no choice but to honor that.

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But it doesn't work that way in baseball or real life.

 

What would probably happen is the Red Sox would then employ a third team out of the division to trade through thus living up to their obligation ending in the same result. Not to mention the Player's Union may have prohibitions that would bar such restraint on a player's movement.

I don't see how the PA can enforce restrictions against NOT trading a player who's under contract. Their movement is restricted by definition. I'd think those types of agreements must happen all the time, but what do I know?

To be honest I don't care if Burnett goes to another team in the division as long as we get enough compensation for Burnett or the best offer out there. I don't worry about other teams I worry about the Marlins. If Boston offers us Arroyo and Sanchez for Burnett just so they can trade him to Philly for Wagner so be it. In this deal we save money get a decent #3 starter back and a potential front of the rotation starter. If this is true I strongly believe this is the best offer out there unless we can get Contreras, McCarthy, Anderson for Burnett. No Marte we need Contreras.

My feeling as a Red Sox fan, in case anyone's interested and FWIW, is that they'd be unlikely to trade Arroyo and Sanchez for a 3 month rental, AND unlikely to be willing to offer a good enough extension to get him to sign mid-season AND unlikely to take Mike Lowell's contract. So, I really think he doesn't end up in Boston unless he hits free agency. But I also don't see how the White Sox can trade Marte right now with Hermanson iffy healthwise, or how the Blue Jays can trade Chacin with Halladay on the DL and Lilly maybe about to join him. I almost think the O's might still be the best bet.

Allright Ive thought about it and I guess I would be open to trading Arroyo and Sanchez for Burnett. Although id feel much easier if Reed was involved also. Burnett has too much potential to turn down and the chance at a potential uber ace is too hard to pass up. I believe Sanchez is gonna be a terrific player, but Arroyo might start to fade and I think trading him now is the best thing. So our future rotation would be:

Burnett

Clement

Miller

Papelbon

Lester

Plus the Red Sox would never have 3 young SPs in their rotation at the same time, and many scouts see Sanchez as a set-up man but we'll see. BUT if theres no 72 hour window than no way and we'll walk away because we dont trade that talent for a rental, plus I tihnk Burnett would love to sign with Boston.

Sean McAdam, on Red Sox This Week, saying the Marlins won't even talk to the Red Sox because of bad blood with Henry from the sale, the Millar thing, and now the draft. They think the Red Sox rigged the draft to get Craig Hansen.

My feeling as a Red Sox fan, in case anyone's interested and FWIW, is that they'd be unlikely to trade Arroyo and Sanchez for a 3 month rental, AND unlikely to be willing to offer a good enough extension to get him to sign mid-season AND unlikely to take Mike Lowell's contract. So, I really think he doesn't end up in Boston unless he hits free agency. But I also don't see how the White Sox can trade Marte right now with Hermanson iffy healthwise, or how the Blue Jays can trade Chacin with Halladay on the DL and Lilly maybe about to join him. I almost think the O's might still be the best bet.

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In 2003 the Marlins got pounded for trading Adrian Gonzalez, Will SMith and Ryan Snare for Uggie Urbina. Adrian Gonzalez can become the next Lou Gehrig and the deal will still be worth it to us. This "3 month rental" crap is the line Kenny Williams used. At this point of the season if you see the stud you want you pay for them. If the Sox were not interested they would not be talking. Remember, the Marlins don't have to trade AJ. he can stay, they can battle for a playoff spot and then they can get 2 top picks for him when he goes FA. If you think they will trade him for one prospect...so sorry...next?

My feeling as a Red Sox fan, in case anyone's interested and FWIW, is that they'd be unlikely to trade Arroyo and Sanchez for a 3 month rental, AND unlikely to be willing to offer a good enough extension to get him to sign mid-season AND unlikely to take Mike Lowell's contract. So, I really think he doesn't end up in Boston unless he hits free agency. But I also don't see how the White Sox can trade Marte right now with Hermanson iffy healthwise, or how the Blue Jays can trade Chacin with Halladay on the DL and Lilly maybe about to join him. I almost think the O's might still be the best bet.

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In 2003 the Marlins got pounded for trading Adrian Gonzalez, Will SMith and Ryan Snare for Uggie Urbina. Adrian Gonzalez can become the next Lou Gehrig and the deal will still be worth it to us. This "3 month mental" crap is the line Kenny Williams used. At this point of the season if you see the stud you want you pay for them. If the Sox were not interested they would not be talking. Remember, the Marlins don't have to trade AJ. he can stay, they can battle for a playoff spot and then they can get 2 top picks for him when he goes FA. If you think they will trade him for one prospect...so sorry...next?

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Good post. I agree, if trading away some prospects (no matter how good they may be ) helps get you a World Series ring that year, it is worth it every time.