yankeefan21 Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 Rose won't be on Hall ballot in final year of eligibility And why should he be? I mean, look at the powerhouse class he would have been in among first ballot players: Rick Aguilera, Tim Belcher, Albert Belle, Will Clark, Alex Fernandez, Gary Gaetti, Dwight Gooden, Ozzie Guillen, Juan Guzman, Orel Hershiser, Gregg Jefferies, Lance Johnson, Doug Jones, Roberto Kelly, Mickey Morandini, Hal Morris, Jaime Navarro, Luis Polonia, Mike Stanley, Walt Weiss, John Wetteland, Mark Whiten Rose couldn't carry Polonia's jock... :mischief So in all seriousness, who gets in this year? Here's a list in order of % of votes followed by this year's new class: Bruce Sutter Jim Rice Rich Gossage Andre Dawson Bert Blyleven Lee Smith Jack Morris Tommy John Steve Garvey Alan Trammell Dave Parker Don Mattingly Dave Concepcion Dale Murphy Willie McGee First year of eligibility likely to receive the votes required to make ballot: Albert Belle Will Clark Gary Gaetti Orel Hershiser Darryl Strawberry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passion Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 The 1978 MVP and 8 Time All-Star, Jim Rice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankeefan21 Posted November 22, 2005 Author Share Posted November 22, 2005 Sutter had more support than Rice last year. So, if Rice gets in, Sutter will have to get in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowa Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 The 1987 MVP and 8 time All-Star, Andre Dawson. :mischief Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanofthefish Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 IMO who should be include Dawson, Blyleven and Rice. As for the relievers I would rank Lee Smith above Sutter and maybe equal to Gossage. I still find it hard to beleive that Jeff Reardon was gone from the ballot after just one year on. He was as much an equal to these other relievers. As for this years first years very few of them will see a second ballot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVPosey Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 will be: Sutter and Rice should be: Dawson, Blyleven, and Mattingly as for Rose, no way does he belong in the Hall, unless it's by the Veteran's committee...even that is iffy...he broke the cardinal sin of baseball, doing something that he knew that if he got caught he would be banned for life, he should just face the consequences the fact he's bitching about not being able to be on the BBWAA ballot shows that they're his only hopes of him getting in of the first years, Will the Thrill is easily the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishfan79 Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 ANDRE ANDRE ANDRE ANDRE ANDRE ! If baseball lets the fish move to Vegas isnt that more then wrong not to have Rose in the hall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugg Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 None of the 1st years are Hall-worthy. Belle would have been if he wouldn't have gotten hurt. He was only 33 when he retired. And Strawberry would have been if he had a brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beinfest4Prez Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 None of the 1st years are Hall-worthy. Belle would have been if he wouldn't have gotten hurt. He was only 33 when he retired. And Strawberry would have been if he had a brain. If only I had a brain... Maybe Daryl thought he was the scarecrow from Wizard of Oz? :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Texan Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 blyleven morris sutter gossage (rice and dawson are very borderline for me, i would be inclined to possibly vote for them also, but i'm not positive quite yet) in that order Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Juanky Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 Hopefully this is the year Hawk gets in, and I think Rice gets in this year. Such a lackluster new class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EndLine Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 can't wait for next years class Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLRyan23 Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 it's a shame Rose isn't getting in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilksthequaker Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 The 1987 MVP and 8 time All-Star, Andre Dawson. :mischief Wouldn't he be the first person to have played for the Fish in the hall? Not like he'll make it... First will probably be Piazza in about 7 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutureGM Posted November 27, 2005 Share Posted November 27, 2005 I think that newcomers Will Clark and Orel Hershiser will lead the newcomer votes. I'm not sure if any of the guys from last year will get in. Here are the voting results for the last three years, of players who received 50 percent or more of the voting: 2003: Bruce Sutter 53.63 Jim Rice 52.22 Andre Dawson 50.00 2004: Ryne Sandberg 61.07 Bruce Sutter 59.49 Jim Rice 54.55 Andre Dawson 50.00 2005: Bruce Sutter 66.7 Jim Rice 59.5 Rich Gossage 55.2 Andre Dawson 52.3 Ryne Sandberg went from a low 49 percent vote in 2003, to a 76 percent election to the HOF two years later. A similar, but less significant jump has happened with Bruce Sutter. He would only need to increase his voting percentage by about 9% to get elected to the HOF. This is about 50 votes. Slowly, Jim Rice's numbers have been increasing, but he is still about 75 votes or so away from election, and it doesn't seem likely that he can get that many. The best chance for any of these candidates to get in would be this year, because it is one of the few years from now on that will have a weak newcoming class. The next few years include: 2007: Tony Gwynn (lock), Mark McGwire (lock, despite the negative press this year), Cal Ripken Jr. (lock) 2008: Tim Raines (possibility) 2009: Mark Grace (possibility), Rickey Henderson (lock) 2010: Edgar Martinez? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passion Posted November 27, 2005 Share Posted November 27, 2005 If Mark Grace gets in, then the Hall of Fame is no longer just for elite players...they might as well bring in the 'alright', 'average', and 'just ok'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowa Posted November 27, 2005 Share Posted November 27, 2005 Dawson definitely deserves to get in, no doubt about it. His power numbers might not stack up with the players of now but that doesn't change the fact that he was one of the most feared players of his era... and the HOF should consist of the best players of their time. He was THE elite 5 tool player of his time. Amazing OF arm, 8 gold gloves....2700+ hits, 400+ HRs, 300+ SBs (Only him, Bonds and Mays have done that). If he didn't have such knee problems or play for such bad teams, who knows what he could have done. Doesn't change the fact he was one of the most feared players of his time. Also known for being a great humanitarian and a true loyalist to his team.. gave the Cubs a blank contract to play for them. I really really hope he gets in and I'll be there for his induction if he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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