Great job there Beinfest, could have gotten more for Delgado and LoDuca as a package than in seperate one for ones if they end up on the same freaking team.

 

I hope you're being sarcastic.....He was probably (still is) gathering offers for Lo Duca, and the Delgado deal was way ahead of any Lo Duca deal in terms of development.

 

Nope, being dead-set serious.

 

LoDuca and Delgado could have brought back Milledge and Jacobs.

 

Deal them seperately, but don't deal them seperately, in the same offseason, to the same team. I mean, it's not like (well, I hope not at least) that Beinfest woke up yesterday and said "hmmm, maybe I should just trade LoDuca for kicks."

Things change day-to-day, be it players wanted by teams, teams deciding who to trade, teams negotiations with other players, etc, etc. They're all factors in who gets traded where, and when. Maybe the Mets weren't that interested in Lo Duca then, maybe the Marlins were still listening to offers then, maybe they wanted to deal Delgado ASAP, etc, etc. It's easy to sit back and say, "gee, traded to the same team, they should've been packaged." But there are so many variables that go into it, it might not have been possible.

This is not to disparage anyone but the idea that Molina or Hernandez' camp could be cajoled into entertaining an offer they would otherwise not find acceptable because another catcher enters the picture is hard to imagine.

 

"Gee I better knock $5 mil off my demand because the NY papers say LoDuca's going to the Mets..." just isn't happening.

 

Every agent is talking to everybody about everythng. The players talk to each other. The GMs are talking it up daily.

 

Nonsense.

Great job there Beinfest, could have gotten more for Delgado and LoDuca as a package than in seperate one for ones if they end up on the same freaking team.

 

I really hope you're not getting on Beinfest's case, imagine having to tear apart the team you put together(for the most part) and start all over again.

Heilman or that 2B prospect Hernandez would be solid pickups, but not sure if Mets would give them up and also pay P-Lo's salary... then again, we are talking about Omar Minaya.

Seriously I rather not deal Loduca to the Mets cause there farm system i really pathetic. Anderson > Keppinger, but still to be projects to be a Utility Infielder. So basically he is the Mets Josh Wilson. Why do we want another Utility Infielder? Aaron Heilman was lights out after his move to the bullpen where I think he belongs but with the way this off-season is going no way he comes here. As for Seo and Bannister. Seo is a soft tossers who doesn't pitch well out of Shea, is overrated, and project to be a #4-5 same for Bannister but he tops out at 90 mph with a cut fastball and decent curve.

 

 

If this wasn't a fire sale we should get Gaby Hernandez and Aaron Heilman from the Mets.

But since it is a fire sale look for Anderson Hernandez(who is still better than Keppinger) and Brain Bannister

From Rotoworld:

 

Paul Lo Duca - C - Marlins

 

The Mets are involved in "very serious" discussions with the Marlins about acquiring Paul Lo Duca, a source told the New York Times.

 

This after the Diamondbacks and Marlins were said to be close to a deal yesterday. We're guessing the Marlins would want a pitcher from the group of Aaron Heilman, Jae Seo and Brian Bannister along with either Anderson Hernandez or Jeff Keppinger in exchange for Lo Duca. Heilman is probably unavailable, but Seo could be in play. Dec. 3 - 11:15 pm et

Source: New York Times

 

If we got two of any of those players mentioned, I'd be happy. Well, not happy because I think we need Lo Duca, but if we got any of those two prospects at least it's better than what Arizona offered... especially Anderson Hernandez.

 

What exactly did Arizona offer? I want link or source. And by the way those prospects think. The best one from the group is Anderson Hernandez and thats because he has a good glove. Since Milledge is unrealistic cause he is there top prospect and frankly one of the best in all of baseball, the only guy they have left that will make a LoDuca trade at least worth it is Gaby Hernandez who projects as a #3. They have no hitting prospects close to ready who are good with starting potential and the one's with potential's are bats lke Jai Miller who are extremely raw.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/04/sports/b...all/04mets.html

 

"The official said he did not know whom the Marlins would receive, but at this point they may not be picky. In cutting payroll, they are searching for young, cheap talent, along the lines of the two midlevel prospects they acquired from Minnesota on Friday in exchange for second baseman Luis Castillo"

 

 

Something to worry about. :confused

This is not to disparage anyone but the idea that Molina or Hernandez' camp could be cajoled into entertaining an offer they would otherwise not find acceptable because another catcher enters the picture is hard to imagine.

 

"Gee I better knock $5 mil off my demand because the NY papers say LoDuca's going to the Mets..." just isn't happening.

 

Every agent is talking to everybody about everythng. The players talk to each other. The GMs are talking it up daily.

 

Nonsense.

 

 

At this point I don't think you know what you're talking about. Everytime you say "BS" or "nonsense" the exact opposite happens. Let's just say you're not an expert.

Snyder and Aquino, if that is what the D-Backs did in fact offer, is lightyears ahead of anything the Mets could now put together.

Come on FO, do something here...

 

Get a player who is part of the future dammit!!!

It is completely inexplicable why Beinfest would go from getting MLB ready talent in return, to dumping players for fill-in-the-black mid level prospects. The Marlins are already guaranteed a profit next year with payroll well below $30M. So what's the point in giving highly tradeable talent away? It baffles me really.

:banghead

 

The only thing that would make me happy about this trade is that the both of them might actually get their well deserved rings . . . :confused

This is not to disparage anyone but the idea that Molina or Hernandez' camp could be cajoled into entertaining an offer they would otherwise not find acceptable because another catcher enters the picture is hard to imagine.

 

"Gee I better knock $5 mil off my demand because the NY papers say LoDuca's going to the Mets..." just isn't happening.

 

Every agent is talking to everybody about everythng. The players talk to each other. The GMs are talking it up daily.

 

Nonsense.

 

 

At this point I don't think you know what you're talking about. Everytime you say "BS" or "nonsense" the exact opposite happens. Let's just say you're not an expert.

 

For a guy who claims he's graduating from law school this year (I assume you actually mean next year), your reading comprehension skills are sadly lacking.

 

If you don't understand the point I was making, why don't you simply ask me what I meant and I'll be glad to explain it to you in more simplistic terms.

:banghead

 

The only thing that would make me happy about this trade is that the both of them might actually get their well deserved rings . . . :confused

 

I thought they already did 2 years ago.......

ok...its a been a while since i posted...but let me say this...i was heartbroken with any of the trades until castillo was traded...but trading loduca is a good thing...i mean he is on the wrong side of 30, hit what like 5 homers last year and couldnt throw out my grandmother trying to steal second and she has a new hip and knee...now i know pauly is a great leader and all that...but there is a point where leadership ends and productivity has to pick up

This is not to disparage anyone but the idea that Molina or Hernandez' camp could be cajoled into entertaining an offer they would otherwise not find acceptable because another catcher enters the picture is hard to imagine.

 

"Gee I better knock $5 mil off my demand because the NY papers say LoDuca's going to the Mets..." just isn't happening.

 

Every agent is talking to everybody about everythng. The players talk to each other. The GMs are talking it up daily.

 

Nonsense.

 

 

At this point I don't think you know what you're talking about. Everytime you say "BS" or "nonsense" the exact opposite happens. Let's just say you're not an expert.

 

For a guy who claims he's graduating from law school this year (I assume you actually mean next year), your reading comprehension skills are sadly lacking.

 

If you don't understand the point I was making, why don't you simply ask me what I meant and I'll be glad to explain it to you in more simplistic terms.

 

I was drunk and had just gotten home. lol Sorry. I've been trying to figure out exactly what I was trying to tell you, to no avail. lol And, yes, I am graduating from law school in May.

It is completely inexplicable why Beinfest would go from getting MLB ready talent in return, to dumping players for fill-in-the-black mid level prospects. The Marlins are already guaranteed a profit next year with payroll well below $30M. So what's the point in giving highly tradeable talent away? It baffles me really.

 

to get a bigger profit.

 

Basically, they gave up on the South Florida Market. so they don't care about the long term consequences of these moves

It is completely inexplicable why Beinfest would go from getting MLB ready talent in return, to dumping players for fill-in-the-black mid level prospects. The Marlins are already guaranteed a profit next year with payroll well below $30M. So what's the point in giving highly tradeable talent away? It baffles me really.

 

to get a bigger profit.

 

Basically, they gave up on the South Florida Market. so they don't care about the long term consequences of these moves

 

Yeah, interesting quote from Beinfest:

 

''This market correction was necessary,'' Beinfest said. ``My directive from ownership is to . . . help this team into the future, and that's exactly what we're doing.''

 

 

Fascinating choice of words.

Damn Loria shoul at least sell 30-40% of the team to him

Damn Loria shoul at least sell 30-40% of the team to him

 

 

He can't.

I meant to Cisneros, i posted in the wrong topic. He cant do that? Why?

who on earth would want to enter into a partnership with the guy?

I meant to Cisneros, i posted in the wrong topic. He cant do that? Why?

 

 

Recognizing there are captive minority partners who came with him from Montreal, and silent partners he inherited from John Henry, if he sells a minority interest to someone (and buying a minority interest is not something a seasoned investor would ever do unless he had an option to purchase majority control at a later date) he sets a valuation on those shares that he may also have to offer to the existing investors, which would dilute any benefit he might accrue buy selling off a piece.

If this trade does happen, it will be for Anderson Hernandez. Hernandez is not highly thought of by the Mets at all. They traded Vance Wilson for him last year, and Hernandez had a big year for them in AA and AAA. He's a speed guy, but he hasn't seen a pitch he doesn't like. Not a real top of the order type hitter. Can play SS and 2B. The thought is up here in NY is though, the Mets are leaking this trade rumor just like they leaked the Benson trade rumor to Baltimore. They want Molina or Hernandez to sign there contract offer of $8mil per year over 3 years.

I meant to Cisneros, i posted in the wrong topic. He cant do that? Why?

 

 

Recognizing there are captive minority partners who came with him from Montreal, and silent partners he inherited from John Henry, if he sells a minority interest to someone (and buying a minority interest is not something a seasoned investor would ever do unless he had an option to purchase majority control at a later date) he sets a valuation on those shares that he may also have to offer to the existing investors, which would dilute any benefit he might accrue buy selling off a piece.

 

 

DUH!!