Interesting.....Olney say they stay, but Destrate didn't call out Loria, but they both made it clear that the franchise better not get rid of D-Train and Cabrera because moving to SA without any stars is not good either.

Any trade talk is more beat writers following other teams licking their chops. Even after all the trades we saw this off-season there is a reason Willis was kept. He's not going anywhere.

Olney and Destrade both agreed that the Marlins would stay in south Florida with a new ballpark and both Cabs and Willis long-term.

I like the name haywood jablow me.

Maybe I will become howie feltersnatch

Olney and Destrade both agreed that the Marlins would stay in south Florida with a new ballpark and both Cabs and Willis long-term.

 

good god i hope they're right...lets hope they get the deal done sometime soon so i don't have to watch loria wineing and dining san antonio people again.

Olney and Destrade both agreed that the Marlins would stay in south Florida with a new ballpark and both Cabs and Willis long-term.

 

 

these guys don't know what they are talking about. I want the team to stay here but the more Loria opens his mouth the bigger the divide gets between the team, city officials and the fans. Olney and Destrade don't live in south florida, they don't know the politics and the feeling people in the city have towards the team. I have no idea what they are basing their opinions on because its definitely not from media outlets, local or national, and it's not from quotes from city officials or the Marlins FO. Basically this is just them making some brash asumption with nothing to back it. It has as much clout as me saying "The Pirates will win the pennant."

howie feltersnatch

 

:lol :notworthy

Olney and Destrade both agreed that the Marlins would stay in south Florida with a new ballpark and both Cabs and Willis long-term.

 

 

these guys don't know what they are talking about. I want the team to stay here but the more Loria opens his mouth the bigger the divide gets between the team, city officials and the fans. Olney and Destrade don't live in south florida, they don't know the politics and the feeling people in the city have towards the team. I have no idea what they are basing their opinions on because its definitely not from media outlets, local or national, and it's not from quotes from city officials or the Marlins FO. Basically this is just them making some brash asumption with nothing to back it. It has as much clout as me saying "The Pirates will win the pennant."

MLB has let it be known to Dade County officials that they want the deal done with them.

 

Maybe you should read the Marlins Ballpark News a bit more often?

 

Serious business negotiations should be started IMO by the end of this month and I expect some results by June. The question is whether Loria takes his manic depression and attention defecit medications so that he can properly attend these meetings.

MLB can say whatever they want to say. How many "deadlines" has MLB put on the whole stadium situation? MLB can't tell a local government what to do. If the local government can't fund it, which i think you'll find quite an uproar if they use tax dollars to fund it, then they shouldn't have to. You have a community that can BARELY make payroll for their teachers and they turn around and fund a new baseball stadium for a team that won't average more than 15k with the current team their fielding now. And lets not even get into construction overages which Miami construction crews EXCEL at.

 

Also, don't you think Loria's constant threats are going to have a nice twist at the meetings? You really think elected officials are going to very open minded to someone who destroyed a fanbase and has alienated both the community and it's elected officials.

 

Furthermore, would you rather them just throw together the stadium and put it wherever someone wants to give them land like Loria seems like hes doing? Or would you rather they take a smart analytical approach to it and find the best possible site for the stadium? This deal is becoming more and more hasty as Loria keeps pushing and pushing. If he, by the miracle of god, gets this stadium deal done, it will most likely be in the worst location imagineable and just be another flop. And don't try and sell me on the Orange Bowl location.

I don't think MLB and Local Government see it any differently other than how to cover the gap. Covering the gap will be the subject of all negotiations basically.

 

It helps that MLB has softened up in Washington and New York (both Mets & Yankees) to allow creative alternatives to funding gaps.

 

MLB can say whatever they want to say. How many "deadlines" has MLB put on the whole stadium situation? MLB can't tell a local government what to do. If the local government can't fund it, which i think you'll find quite an uproar if they use tax dollars to fund it, then they shouldn't have to. You have a community that can BARELY make payroll for their teachers and they turn around and fund a new baseball stadium for a team that won't average more than 15k with the current team their fielding now. And lets not even get into construction overages which Miami construction crews EXCEL at.

 

Also, don't you think Loria's constant threats are going to have a nice twist at the meetings? You really think elected officials are going to very open minded to someone who destroyed a fanbase and has alienated both the community and it's elected officials.

 

Furthermore, would you rather them just throw together the stadium and put it wherever someone wants to give them land like Loria seems like hes doing? Or would you rather they take a smart analytical approach to it and find the best possible site for the stadium? This deal is becoming more and more hasty as Loria keeps pushing and pushing. If he, by the miracle of god, gets this stadium deal done, it will most likely be in the worst location imagineable and just be another flop. And don't try and sell me on the Orange Bowl location.

 

Why don't you end yourself now?

 

Nothing could ever get done according to you and the team would cease to exist and all the world would stop moving.

Lets see if your outlook, which differes from every other journalist, city official, and just simple commentator that has ever written or spoken about The Marlins stadium situation, holds true. You said you expect results by the end of June? You got it chief.

Lets see if your outlook, which differes from every other journalist, city official, and just simple commentator that has ever written or spoken about The Marlins stadium situation, holds true. You said you expect results by the end of June? You got it chief.

 

ESPN's journalists as seem to indicate that South Florida keeping the Marlins in a new park is likely. Hence this thread!

 

You also have the local newspapers reporting that negotiations should start soon.

 

You also have the Mayor of the City of Hialeah stating he expects an announcement of some sorts by the end of April. (I expect it to be the selection of a site or something related)

 

You have Hank Goldberg actually expressing interest in the idea the team might be able to get the facility done this time.

 

You have County and MLB officials talking positively about the upcoming negotiation sessions.

 

But of course musk (or shall we say City Manager Joe-lite) thinks that I have no foundation when I give my time frame estimate of movement by the end of June on at least a plan for getting this done by 2011.

Hey, I said we'll see. If you're right, in June I will bow down to you and express my deepest appologies for ever doubting you. Lets hope you're right for the sake of the team.

 

16 years, 3 owners, 2 world series rings and yet no stadium, but somehow Loria's visit to SA, his loud mouth antics and his fire sale are going to get things done. Like I said, I hope you're right.

Hey, I said we'll see. If you're right, in June I will bow down to you and express my deepest appologies for ever doubting you. Lets hope you're right for the sake of the team.

 

16 years, 3 owners, 2 world series rings and yet no stadium, but somehow Loria's visit to SA, his loud mouth antics and his fire sale are going to get things done. Like I said, I hope you're right.

 

I say June because that is the time frame it appears this is going to. I don't want your praise, but I don't want to see the constant Debbie Downer attitude.

 

If the Mayor of Hialeah comes back and says Codina won't give the land...then the game might be over. But it appears more likely Codina not only is willing to give the land...but possibly be involved in building restaurants and shops as part of a ballpark village.

 

The new characters this year in Hialeah are much more can-do than the previous characters in Miami. The County and MLB are the foundation and monitors. If need-be, the Marlins will be locked in a room with the City and County and not allowed to leave until done by MLB and the County, but only if they get close.

 

HOK create a design capable of being used at the Hialeah site from what I can tell.

 

The big issues are land, funding, and UDB. Nobody said anything was easy, but if the Nationals, Yankees and Mets could get their parks off the ground in 2006 for 2009...then the doors are open for the Marlins as well.

BTW, a $100 million (aka too much because it is easily an over-estimate) is around $3.4 million a year in rent. That's right folks...the gap is that small in annual payments. However once the site plans are finalized and everything is prepared for a final offer...if ever that happens.....the number could come down to $30-40 million like we had with the Orange Bowl site and the annual payment range is $1-1.4 million. The Sun-Sentinel has been using the 420 number...down from two months ago when it was 450.

 

Remember, Dade County is willing to finance the currently estimated $420 million ballpark. ($420 million is $14 million a year for 30 years.) But the County has already said it would chip in $48 million in Pro Sports Tax Money and $60 million in CDT money. That brings the price down to $312 million. ($312 million is $10.4 million a year for 30 years.) Now the City of Hialeah would chip in land. Infrastructure could be picked up by Hialeah, but we include it in the ballpark price tag for these purposes.

 

Now the Marlins would have to give $30 million up-front. So we go from $312 million to $282 million. ($282 million is $9.4 million a year for 30 years.)

 

The original County Manager estimate for Hialeah Heights was $455 million, but that has gone down to $420 million as the results of studies come in. That difference of $35 million is removed from the reserve of $50 million and we have an extra $15 million that we can shave from the $282 million we are at so far because this was added by the County Manager's office as a way of over-estimating just-in-case.

 

So at the end I am at a gap of $267 million. That would 30 annual payments of $8.9 million. However if the Marlins and County decide to make it a 40 or 42 years lease as originally thought....the price would go down to $6.675 million a year for 40 years or $6.358 million a year for 42 years. The Marlins previously had committed to $5.4 million a year for 30 years as their rent amount.

 

So it comes to a gap of $3.5 million a year difference in rent amounts between the total needed to pay the debt and what the Marlins have offered to pay. But I believe the Marlins and County have both kicked in additional funds to bring that number into the $2 million or less a year range.

 

At the end of the day....it seems to me that all the Marlins will need is $30 million cash/equity and the letter from Fox Sports saying the Marlins will get paid over $15 million a year in long-term TV rights. That will come if the site, design, and funding is approved by the Marlins, city, county, landowner, and MLB.

There is more optimism right now than i have heard of in a long time...wonderful news! The market correction has given the Marlins a little more cash flow to allow for more flexibility in the long rane financing of a staduim also MLB will provide support in allowing for revenue increase in S Fl ( They will probably give an All-Star game or two to Miami) My concern is attendence right now, not that Im surprised but those young kids are worth watching...the product is not that bad but Loria has again angered S Fl hopefully people will wanna just enjoy the best thing in the world which is a baseball game

I like the name haywood jablow me.

Maybe I will become howie feltersnatch

 

 

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

BTW, a $100 million (aka too much because it is easily an over-estimate) is around $3.4 million a year in rent. That's right folks...the gap is that small in annual payments. However once the site plans are finalized and everything is prepared for a final offer...if ever that happens.....the number could come down to $30-40 million like we had with the Orange Bowl site and the annual payment range is $1-1.4 million. The Sun-Sentinel has been using the 420 number...down from two months ago when it was 450.

 

Remember, Dade County is willing to finance the currently estimated $420 million ballpark. ($420 million is $14 million a year for 30 years.) But the County has already said it would chip in $48 million in Pro Sports Tax Money and $60 million in CDT money. That brings the price down to $312 million. ($312 million is $10.4 million a year for 30 years.) Now the City of Hialeah would chip in land. Infrastructure could be picked up by Hialeah, but we include it in the ballpark price tag for these purposes.

 

Now the Marlins would have to give $30 million up-front. So we go from $312 million to $282 million. ($282 million is $9.4 million a year for 30 years.)

 

The original County Manager estimate for Hialeah Heights was $455 million, but that has gone down to $420 million as the results of studies come in. That difference of $35 million is removed from the reserve of $50 million and we have an extra $15 million that we can shave from the $282 million we are at so far because this was added by the County Manager's office as a way of over-estimating just-in-case.

 

So at the end I am at a gap of $267 million. That would 30 annual payments of $8.9 million. However if the Marlins and County decide to make it a 40 or 42 years lease as originally thought....the price would go down to $6.675 million a year for 40 years or $6.358 million a year for 42 years. The Marlins previously had committed to $5.4 million a year for 30 years as their rent amount.

 

So it comes to a gap of $3.5 million a year difference in rent amounts between the total needed to pay the debt and what the Marlins have offered to pay. But I believe the Marlins and County have both kicked in additional funds to bring that number into the $2 million or less a year range.

 

At the end of the day....it seems to me that all the Marlins will need is $30 million cash/equity and the letter from Fox Sports saying the Marlins will get paid over $15 million a year in long-term TV rights. That will come if the site, design, and funding is approved by the Marlins, city, county, landowner, and MLB.

 

 

Cape, you just made my day... Thanks

If the Mayor of Hialeah comes back and says Codina won't give the land...then the game might be over. But it appears more likely Codina not only is willing to give the land...but possibly be involved in building restaurants and shops as part of a ballpark village.

 

Sounds like the perfect scenario for Wayne to sabotage this idea in some way. This is what Wayne wants for Dolphin(s) stadium-beware the Zinger.

If the Mayor of Hialeah comes back and says Codina won't give the land...then the game might be over. But it appears more likely Codina not only is willing to give the land...but possibly be involved in building restaurants and shops as part of a ballpark village.

 

Sounds like the perfect scenario for Wayne to sabotage this idea in some way. This is what Wayne wants for Dolphin(s) stadium-beware the Zinger.

 

It's going to be very difficult for him to sabotage this plan. Two of the mayor parties (Marlins not included) in this stand to lose tens of millions if not hundreds of millions if this deal doesn't go through. Hialeah, tax money and Codina the UDB situation.

now we need them sit together and talk ? that have not happen yet what i hearld from marlins and hialeah was their talk some time on phone

now we need them sit together and talk ? that have not happen yet what i hearld from marlins and hialeah was their talk some time on phone

 

 

The Marlins and Hialeah aren't going to tell some random person that calls in what's really going on.

BTW, a $100 million (aka too much because it is easily an over-estimate) is around $3.4 million a year in rent.

 

Good overall post Cape, but one key error.

 

I think you forgot interest. The actual annual cost of servicing $100 million over 30 years is roughly $4.5 - $5 million a year.

My concern is attendence right now, not that Im surprised but those young kids are worth watching...the product is not that bad but Loria has again angered S Fl hopefully people will wanna just enjoy the best thing in the world which is a baseball game

 

Attendance really means nothing right now. OK, it does. It shows Loria and local politicians there is support for the team. But I wouldn't be concerned that this offseason has caused the Marlins to lose a substantial amount of fans forever. If a new ballpark is built that would surely be better for baseball and the team is locked into a 30+ year lease, they'll come back.

Mayor of the City of Hialeah stating he expects an announcement of some sorts by the end of April. (I expect it to be the selection of a site or something related) where was this report on? newpaper or tv? :confused