He has 5 tools, and maybe it will just click at a point and time for him. Does he strike out alot? Yeah, but strikeouts are no different then groundouts or flyouts.

 

Anyone who thinks this shouldn't be posting on a baseball messageboard.

 

 

I was thinking the exact same thing.

Yeah because that groundout to shortstop is much better then a strikeout.

 

 

Yea.. I guess there is no chance of an infielder making an error or something like that. Or any chance that the ball will be hit slow enough where the runners can advance. When you K the only thing you can hope is that the catcher doesnt catch it. Atleast a ground out shows you can make contact. With a K you just sit there or miss it. A ground ball can lead to a DP but so can a K. If you put the ball in play anything can happen.

Yeah because you see the double play on a strike out just as much as you do on a ground out.

 

 

Sorry, but the Reds led the NL in runs and strikeouts last year, proving that strikeouts are no different the any other out.

All this proves is you don't have the faintest idea how baseball is played. The Reds analogy just confirms it.

The wear and tear on your legs is much worse in center then anywhere else in the outfield.

 

 

 

He has 5 tools, and maybe it will just click at a point and time for him. Does he strike out alot? Yeah, but strikeouts are no different then groundouts or flyouts.

 

Anyone who thinks this shouldn't be posting on a baseball messageboard.

 

 

I was thinking the exact same thing.

Yeah because that groundout to shortstop is much better then a strikeout.

 

 

Yea.. I guess there is no chance of an infielder making an error or something like that. Or any chance that the ball will be hit slow enough where the runners can advance. When you K the only thing you can hope is that the catcher doesnt catch it. Atleast a ground out shows you can make contact. With a K you just sit there or miss it. A ground ball can lead to a DP but so can a K. If you put the ball in play anything can happen.

Yeah because you see the double play on a strike out just as much as you do on a ground out.

 

 

Sorry, but the Reds led the NL in runs and strikeouts last year, proving that strikeouts are no different the any other out.

All this proves is you don't have the faintest idea how baseball is played. The Reds analogy just confirms it.

Baseball is the sport with the black puck thingys and nets right? Don't they play it on ice?

 

or wait

 

is it the one played indoor where you have to bounce the ball and try to get it through the basket thingy?

 

Just because a player strikes out alot, does not make him bad. That was the point I was trying to make.

The wear and tear on your legs is much worse in center then anywhere else in the outfield.

 

 

 

 

He has 5 tools, and maybe it will just click at a point and time for him. Does he strike out alot? Yeah, but strikeouts are no different then groundouts or flyouts.

 

Anyone who thinks this shouldn't be posting on a baseball messageboard.

 

 

I was thinking the exact same thing.

Yeah because that groundout to shortstop is much better then a strikeout.

 

 

Yea.. I guess there is no chance of an infielder making an error or something like that. Or any chance that the ball will be hit slow enough where the runners can advance. When you K the only thing you can hope is that the catcher doesnt catch it. Atleast a ground out shows you can make contact. With a K you just sit there or miss it. A ground ball can lead to a DP but so can a K. If you put the ball in play anything can happen.

Yeah because you see the double play on a strike out just as much as you do on a ground out.

 

 

Sorry, but the Reds led the NL in runs and strikeouts last year, proving that strikeouts are no different the any other out.

All this proves is you don't have the faintest idea how baseball is played. The Reds analogy just confirms it.

Baseball is the sport with the black puck thingys and nets right? Don't they play it on ice?

 

 

Absolutely :thumbup

This whole arguement about Reggie K'ing too much, so lets play Borchard thing is ridiculous.

 

Reggie has K'd in every 2.9 ab's. But at the same time, Borchard has K'd in every 3.4 at bats for his career(and really, before this year, he K'd in every 3.1 AB's)

 

Yet, people will try to say that you cant use that because he hasn't had consistant playing time blah blah blah.

 

Well Reggie is a rookie with more potential than Borchard will ever have. He also plays what I am guessing is servicible defense at a premium position, where we have no one else who can realisticially fill in for a long period of time.

 

Will Reggie ever be a superstar? No. Will he be a better 4th OF when we find someone to replace him than Borchard? Yes, IMO, he will.

To say he has more potential than Borchard is ridiculous. Abercrombie has incredible athletic tools. But correct me if I am wrong but Borchard is a former FIRST ROUND pick.

I think Felo is right in that a player who stikes out a lot is not necesarily a bad player

 

but a strikeout is always worse than any other out. Even if there is no one on base b/c there is no chance for an error if you strikeout

 

the benefit of a fly or groundout over that of a strikeout with men on base i think is obvious

I think Felo is right in that a player who stikes out a lot is not necesarily a bad player

 

but a strikeout is always worse than any other out. Even if there is no one on base b/c there is no chance for an error if you strikeout

 

the benefit of a fly or groundout over that of a strikeout with men on base i think is obvious

 

 

Well, the catcher could drop the 3rd strike.

But I agree, ball in play>strikeout. Most the time at least.

Sometimes a strikeout is better than a groundball, other times(like last night), it's not.

This whole arguement about Reggie K'ing too much, so lets play Borchard thing is ridiculous.

 

Reggie has K'd in every 2.9 ab's. But at the same time, Borchard has K'd in every 3.4 at bats for his career(and really, before this year, he K'd in every 3.1 AB's)

 

Yet, people will try to say that you cant use that because he hasn't had consistant playing time blah blah blah.

 

Well Reggie is a rookie with more potential than Borchard will ever have. He also plays what I am guessing is servicible defense at a premium position, where we have no one else who can realisticially fill in for a long period of time.

 

Will Reggie ever be a superstar? No. Will he be a better 4th OF when we find someone to replace him than Borchard? Yes, IMO, he will.

To say he has more potential than Borchard is ridiculous. Abercrombie has incredible athletic tools. But correct me if I am wrong but Borchard is a former FIRST ROUND pick.

 

The best player in baseball, Albert Pujols, was like a 13th round pick. So that arguement holds no water.

 

Just because Borchard was a 1st rounder doesnt mean he has more potential than Abercrombie.

Homerun for JoBo.

 

Don't let those splinters bother you too much Reggie...

 

:whistle

borchard just hit a bomb to the deepest part of the field

 

he's clearly better than Reg

 

i'm kidding, of course

Didnt Rich/Tommy say Borch could be a pretty good player if he played everyday. Anyone hear that?

SOs are terrible outs. Sacrifices number close to GDP and they don't include runs off of a fielder's choice, errors, etc. The fact that somebody strikes out a lot doesn't make them a bad player, but it is a flaw. Also SO/BB ratio is pretty significant also.

 

Reggie has nothing going for him other than the fact that he looks like a good ballplayer. His plate discipline is terrble, his contact skills are non-extant, and he isn't young anymore.

I think Abercrombie has been given enough at bats to show what he can do....which isn't much. I would either let Borchard play everyday or platoon him with Ross and let Hermida play CF.

I am not trying to start anyother Reggie debate but do you guys think there is a reason why Reggie has not played the past 2 games. Like yesterday Hammer was scratched from the lineup. You would think Joe would put Borch/Ross in LF... Reggie in CF and Hermi in RF. Could Joe just be giving him some rest?

I am not trying to start anyother Reggie debate but do you guys think there is a reason why Reggie has not played the past 2 games. Like yesterday Hammer was scratched from the lineup. You would think Joe would put Borch/Ross in LF... Reggie in CF and Hermi in RF. Could Joe just be giving him some rest?

 

 

Maybe it has something to do with him being on pace to strike out 200+ times over a full season? Maybe it has something to do with him trying to steal w/o the green light and getting caught... twice.

I love this board. It goes from OMG ABERCROMBIE HAS SHOWN SO MUCH IMPROVEMENT, to he sucks bench him in less then 2 weeks.

I love this board. It goes from OMG ABERCROMBIE HAS SHOWN SO MUCH IMPROVEMENT, to he sucks bench him in less then 2 weeks.

 

 

You will find that I have been pretty reliable in my position as regards Reggie.

Makes you wonder how many homers Borchard might put up in a full season.

 

He's got 5 now in 84 at-bats.

 

Right now he's averaging a homer about every 17 at-bats, which is best on the team. Probably not a big enough sample size to predict whether it would hold up, but if he started every game this season for example & homered at that same pace, he'd be leading the team right now.

 

Hard to say if his average would be much different... I like that he's taken some walks though.

I love this board. It goes from OMG ABERCROMBIE HAS SHOWN SO MUCH IMPROVEMENT, to he sucks bench him in less then 2 weeks.

 

 

You will find that I have been pretty reliable in my position as regards Reggie.

That's fine then, but you were one of the few that were takign the wait and see approach with him.

The only knock that I have on Abercrombie is that he has no plate discipline. To be honest with you, I think Borchard is a better player than Abercrombie, but Borchard isn't that type of player that the fans will embrace. Borchard may be a nice player, but if he is so great, then why did the White Sox and Mariners give up on him? Abercrombie has the potential to be a 5 tool talent, but he hasn't lived up to the expectations yet.

I love this board. It goes from OMG ABERCROMBIE HAS SHOWN SO MUCH IMPROVEMENT, to he sucks bench him in less then 2 weeks.

 

 

You will find that I have been pretty reliable in my position as regards Reggie.

That's fine then, but you were one of the few that were takign the wait and see approach with him.

 

No I wasn't! I was taking the "this guy sucks, it is a shame we have no CF worth spit in the entire organization" approach! :lol

To be honest with you, I think Borchard is a better player than Abercrombie, but Borchard isn't that type of player that the fans will embrace.

Is Abercrombie the type of player that fans will embrace then? Do fans embrace strikeouts and poor fundamentals? Not sure I get that one. I mean if he improves a lot then sure...

 

Borchard may be a nice player, but if he is so great, then why did the White Sox and Mariners give up on him?

Firstly he's not "so great", no one's saying that. And the other teams gave up on him because he sucked with them. I'd have given up on him too if I was the White Sox. And the Mariners just didn't have much room for him. He's playing better than he ever has at the moment, for whatever reason.

One way to approach it, one way, not all ways, is: bottom of the ninth, bases loaded, down by a run, pitchers spot up, only Reggie and Borchard left on the bench-which one would you rather be up knowing you need to make contact? Me, I pick Joe.

One way to approach it, one way, not all ways, is: bottom of the ninth, bases loaded, down by a run, pitchers spot up, only Reggie and Borchard left on the bench-which one would you rather be up knowing you need to make contact? Me, I pick Joe.

 

 

Joe all the way. Eventhough he does K a lot he makes contact when he needs to.

One way to approach it, one way, not all ways, is: bottom of the ninth, bases loaded, down by a run, pitchers spot up, only Reggie and Borchard left on the bench-which one would you rather be up knowing you need to make contact? Me, I pick Joe.

 

Joe Borchard with RISP (THIS SEASON):

.250 BA

 

With RSIP and 2 outs:

.214 BA

 

Reggie with RISP:

.294

 

With RISP and 2 outs:

.333

 

The correct answer would be................

 

Reggie Abercrombie.