i couldnt agree less buster...dontrelle showed me alot this year on the overall...getting rid of him would be a mistake for years...

Buster is 100% correct. Do it.

I'd like to know how Dontrelle's "value will never be higher than it is right now"? He is coming off a relatively weak season (at least relative to 2005). I seem to recall this phrase about Dontrelle's trade value being as high as it would ever be being dropped before the 2006 season and when the trade rumors were being shot off every day as we inched closer to the trade deadline this year. I suspect we'll learn how Dontrelle's value will never be higher and the Marlins should trade him a number of times this offseason, as well as when we get closer to the 2007 trade deadline and once the 2007 season wraps up.

What a busta.

Trading Dontrelle would be a big mistake. He is one of the most loyal players is the game. I think that, if needed, Dontrelle would take a lesser salary to stay here and not Cabrera. I can see Cabrera leaving as soon as he is eligible for free agency, because their will be plenty of teams willing to overpay for him.

no way you trade willis , the guy seems willing to stay lets see if we can sign him long term

If he could bring us a Justin Upton or a Chris Young, I would love it. Give me a Gonzalez and Young from arizona and I would be a very happy camper.

What a busta.

Trading Dontrelle would be a big mistake. He is one of the most loyal players is the game. I think that, if needed, Dontrelle would take a lesser salary to stay here and not Cabrera. I can see Cabrera leaving as soon as he is eligible for free agency, because their will be plenty of teams willing to overpay for him.

 

I just want to see the Marlins at least make an attempt to sign Dontrelle to a long term deal before trading him. You know he wants to stay here. His agent was talking again to thre press recently about that. At least make the attempt. We may be able to sign him to a deal that would make him more valuable to other teams. If it works out, we have a great pitcher signed to a cheap (relative to what he would get as a free agent) long term deal. And then once Volstad or West is ready or on the cusp of being ready for the bigs then maybe you consider moving Dontrelle. But not right now.

This is the thing about the Marlins. When other teams have a good, young, rotation they are thinking about keeping all of them. We're thinking about trading one of them because of his salary and value. This sucks. Dontrelle is, along with Cabs, the face of this Franchise and we want to trade him?

This is the thing about the Marlins. When other teams have a good, young, rotation they are thinking about keeping all of them. We're thinking about trading one of them because of his salary and value. This sucks. Dontrelle is, along with Cabs, the face of this Franchise and we want to trade him?

You know as well as anyone value means a lot to this team because of our payroll. If we have a player like Dontrelle who is at the peak of his career, we need to at least think about dealing him.

This is the thing about the Marlins. When other teams have a good, young, rotation they are thinking about keeping all of them. We're thinking about trading one of them because of his salary and value. This sucks. Dontrelle is, along with Cabs, the face of this Franchise and we want to trade him?

You know as well as anyone value means a lot to this team because of our payroll. If we have a player like Dontrelle who is at the peak of his career, we need to at least think about dealing him.

 

I think it is just a bit too early to proclaim that a 24-year-old that already has a 20+ win season under his belt is at the peak of his career, especially after just coming off a 12-12 season.

This is the thing about the Marlins. When other teams have a good, young, rotation they are thinking about keeping all of them. We're thinking about trading one of them because of his salary and value. This sucks. Dontrelle is, along with Cabs, the face of this Franchise and we want to trade him?

You know as well as anyone value means a lot to this team because of our payroll. If we have a player like Dontrelle who is at the peak of his career, we need to at least think about dealing him.

 

I think it is just a bit too early to proclaim that a 24-year-old that already has a 20+ win season under his belt is at the peak of his career, especially after just coming off a 12-12 season.

Trust me, he is entering his prime.

no.

It appears MarlinsLou wants to stir the "Trade Dontrelle" pot before the smoke clears from the World Series but I guess I'll take the bait anyway.

 

 

If were just looking at numbers, I could agree that trading him might be a good move (and for far more than a prospect like 2003 mentioned).

 

But Willis is more than a pile of statistics (which I know is extremely difficult for a select few on this board to wrap their head around).

 

 

 

Dontrelle brings out the Little Leaguer in everyone by playing the game unlike any other in baseball today. How many pitchers dive into home plate during a Spring Training game? One pitcher does.

 

 

Trading him just sends another message to the dwindling fan base that nothing is sacred. The payroll is already ridiculously low. We dont have to trade the face of the franchise to fill our CF/bullpen needs. If the FO goes out and spends 15 million on our needs the payroll is still the lowest in the majors. Its a no brainer.

If Willis had a good year last year, we wouldn't dream of talking about this. That's why I dont' think we should trade him. He's going to be a great pitcher, he's had a great '05 campaign, and will have more similar years in the future. If Willis was going to put up numbers like this for the rest of his career, and if he has reached his max potential, I'd say deal him too. He had an average year this year, and we all know he can do better than that.

If Willis had a good year last year, we wouldn't dream of talking about this. That's why I dont' think we should trade him. He's going to be a great pitcher, he's had a great '05 campaign, and will have more similar years in the future. If Willis was going to put up numbers like this for the rest of his career, and if he has reached his max potential, I'd say deal him too. He had an average year this year, and we all know he can do better than that.

I dont think what happened in 2006 has that much bearing on people's thought about moving him.

If Willis had a good year last year, we wouldn't dream of talking about this. That's why I dont' think we should trade him. He's going to be a great pitcher, he's had a great '05 campaign, and will have more similar years in the future. If Willis was going to put up numbers like this for the rest of his career, and if he has reached his max potential, I'd say deal him too. He had an average year this year, and we all know he can do better than that.

I dont think what happened in 2006 has that much bearing on people's thought about moving him.

I don't remember anyone talking about moving him in '05...

As much as I like Dontrelle, and his entertaining abilities. I really wouldn't be opposed to dealing him for a couple of future pieces. Afterall this organization IS piled up on future arms, while Dontrelle is much more developed, I think he'll soon be against (in the WAY) the direction this organization is taking, his price tag is going up and fast, and it might be nice to sell while the stock is high. As for Miguel Cabrera, the kid can make 13 million and still be worth what he is making!

No.

 

There is no one on the block so-to-speak that we are going to get that will be worth Dontrelle. And then suppose another team actually wanted to trade a top-shelf player for Dontrelle, will we actually be saving any money? We may not have to pay Dontrelle, but whatever talent we get for him (assuming they are worth it, proven talent) will likely cost us as much or more.

 

Keep Dontrelle. He is a rare breed, and while they might be able to replace an ERA below 3 or 4, you can't easily replace all that he brings to the table. As a leader, a face of the franchise, an ace, and hell, even just being a pitcher who can field and hit.

 

The only idea I've heard that I thought was worth a second thought would be Dontrelle for Andruw Jones. But besides the fact that I think both teams would be reluctant to make that big a trade within the division, it wouldn't really save us any money either. It would simply sure up CF and add a big bat while diminishing our starting pitching (don't delude yourselves into thinking it wouldn't. You cannot assume that all that pitching depth will inevitably produce ML 20-game winners).

 

Willis belongs here. I was on board for all the moves made last off-season, they did make sense. But I would be embarassed if they traded Dontrelle.

No.

 

There is no one on the block so-to-speak that we are going to get that will be worth Dontrelle. And then suppose another team actually wanted to trade a top-shelf player for Dontrelle, will we actually be saving any money? We may not have to pay Dontrelle, but whatever talent we get for him (assuming they are worth it, proven talent) will likely cost us as much or more.

 

Keep Dontrelle. He is a rare breed, and while they might be able to replace an ERA below 3 or 4, you can't easily replace all that he brings to the table. As a leader, a face of the franchise, an ace, and hell, even just being a pitcher who can field and hit.

 

The only idea I've heard that I thought was worth a second thought would be Dontrelle for Andruw Jones. But besides the fact that I think both teams would be reluctant to make that big a trade within the division, it wouldn't really save us any money either. It would simply sure up CF and add a big bat while diminishing our starting pitching (don't delude yourselves into thinking it wouldn't. You cannot assume that all that pitching depth will inevitably produce ML 20-game winners).

 

Willis belongs here. I was on board for all the moves made last off-season, they did make sense. But I would be embarassed if they traded Dontrelle.

 

D-train for jones wouldnt be a good idea, Boras as his agent and he has pretty much stated he will walk for carlos beltran type money.

 

Now a cheaply signed crawford could be nice though, but I dont even think willis is honestly enough for him right now.

If Willis had a good year last year, we wouldn't dream of talking about this. That's why I dont' think we should trade him. He's going to be a great pitcher, he's had a great '05 campaign, and will have more similar years in the future. If Willis was going to put up numbers like this for the rest of his career, and if he has reached his max potential, I'd say deal him too. He had an average year this year, and we all know he can do better than that.

I dont think what happened in 2006 has that much bearing on people's thought about moving him.

I don't remember anyone talking about moving him in '05...

You weren't a member here in 2005 either.

 

Anyway, he is a year closer to making the big bucks and I dont think he will ever be worth more, player for player.

How about vernoon wells and toronto's best pitching prospect?

 

I am not really for trading Willis but there certainly are some deals that would be interesting. Adding a bat like Wells to this lineup would be neat and wells still brings a first round pick in compensation when he would walk. I can't think of the pitchers name but he would add to our young guys that are major league ready.

How about vernoon wells and toronto's best pitching prospect?

 

I am not really for trading Willis but there certainly are some deals that would be interesting. Adding a bat like Wells to this lineup would be neat and wells still brings a first round pick in compensation when he would walk. I can't think of the pitchers name but he would add to our young guys that are major league ready.

Dustin McGowan?

This is the thing about the Marlins. When other teams have a good, young, rotation they are thinking about keeping all of them. We're thinking about trading one of them because of his salary and value. This sucks. Dontrelle is, along with Cabs, the face of this Franchise and we want to trade him?

Don't kid yourself. This year and 2004 are far more indicative of Dontrelle's talent than 2005 Dontrelle. His K/9 rates are weak, his velocity isn't super-dee-duper, and he gave up a ton of hits this year. I say this is the time to strike while the iron is hot, bring in some young studs to play C and CF and sign Miggy long term.

Trading DTrain would be percieved as salary dumping. Whether or not it makes baseball sense DTrain is the face of this team along with Miggy. Those two guys can not be traded if we want baseball to succeed in South Florida.

This is the thing about the Marlins. When other teams have a good, young, rotation they are thinking about keeping all of them. We're thinking about trading one of them because of his salary and value. This sucks. Dontrelle is, along with Cabs, the face of this Franchise and we want to trade him?

Don't kid yourself. This year and 2004 are far more indicative of Dontrelle's talent than 2005 Dontrelle. His K/9 rates are weak, his velocity isn't super-dee-duper, and he gave up a ton of hits this year. I say this is the time to strike while the iron is hot, bring in some young studs to play C and CF and sign Miggy long term.

if and only if the marlins sign cabs long term would i be in favor in trading dontrelle...i dont know...he is a special talent...one that we are better off with than without...but if it helps keep cabs a marlin until he needs a walker, than i can deal...and dont even need a stud centerfielder...i can deal with a everyday kinda guy that is more of a stop gap while we trade for a A guy who is about 2 years away and a catcher who shows some promise