On weekend nights (say a Friday), when they have a play at the performing arts center, a concert/heat game at the AAA, AND a marlins game, the traffic is going to be REAL bad on 95. Not complaining here (I probably have less drive than many of you), but just saying. Exits 1 and 3 off 95 south are going to be TIGHT. Let's hope we get some group scheduling going...

I said this is in a previous thread. AAA traffic + stadium traffic + performing arts center traffic is going to be hell on Earth.

 

Having a new baseball stadium, retractable roof, great sight lines, guaranteed Marlins baseball for many years, state of the art facilites-heaven on earth.

 

 

 

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On weekend nights (say a Friday), when they have a play at the performing arts center, a concert/heat game at the AAA, AND a marlins game, the traffic is going to be REAL bad on 95. Not complaining here (I probably have less drive than many of you), but just saying. Exits 1 and 3 off 95 south are going to be TIGHT. Let's hope we get some group scheduling going...

I said this is in a previous thread. AAA traffic + stadium traffic + performing arts center traffic is going to be hell on Earth.

 

I'm getting just a little tired of hearing all this bitching about how the future stadium traffic is going to be unbearable, how some of you won't be able to go to weeknight games, how some of you will have to give up your season tickets....etc....etc....etc..

 

I've been a season ticket holder for many years, live in south Miami-Dade county and still managed the distance and the traffic to go to most of the games while having a full time job. A few times I've gotten to my seat in the 2nd or 3rd inning, but still enjoyed going to the games.

 

We should all be grateful that the team will probably stay in South Florida, and more grateful still to the City of Miami and Miami-Dade County which are putting up the money.

 

We need ALL Marlins fans to go to the games for this franchise to be successful. So please, get over the fact that you will have the inconvenience of driving for 30 to 40 more minutes and come down and enjoy the games. Look at it this way: Compared to the fans in south Miami-Dade, you had it good for the first 18 years (1993 to 2011). Now is someone else's turn.

On weekend nights (say a Friday), when they have a play at the performing arts center, a concert/heat game at the AAA, AND a marlins game, the traffic is going to be REAL bad on 95. Not complaining here (I probably have less drive than many of you), but just saying. Exits 1 and 3 off 95 south are going to be TIGHT. Let's hope we get some group scheduling going...

I said this is in a previous thread. AAA traffic + stadium traffic + performing arts center traffic is going to be hell on Earth.

 

Having a new baseball stadium, retractable roof, great sight lines, guaranteed Marlins baseball for many years, state of the art facilites-heaven on earth.

I'm not complaining by any means. I was simply mentioning that traffic flow is going to be terrible. I'd probably catch the Metro-Rail to half the games I went to.

On weekend nights (say a Friday), when they have a play at the performing arts center, a concert/heat game at the AAA, AND a marlins game, the traffic is going to be REAL bad on 95. Not complaining here (I probably have less drive than many of you), but just saying. Exits 1 and 3 off 95 south are going to be TIGHT. Let's hope we get some group scheduling going...

I said this is in a previous thread. AAA traffic + stadium traffic + performing arts center traffic is going to be hell on Earth.

 

I'm getting just a little tired of hearing all this bitching about how the future stadium traffic is going to be unbearable, how some of you won't be able to go to weeknight games, how some of you will have to give up your season tickets....etc....etc....etc..

 

I've been a season ticket holder for many years, live in south Miami-Dade county and still managed the distance and the traffic to go to most of the games while having a full time job. A few times I've gotten to my seat in the 2nd or 3rd inning, but still enjoyed going to the games.

 

We should all be grateful that the team will probably stay in South Florida, and more grateful still to the City of Miami and Miami-Dade County which are putting up the money.

 

We need ALL Marlins fans to go to the games for this franchise to be successful. So please, get over the fact that you will have the inconvenience of driving for 30 to 40 more minutes and come down and enjoy the games. Look at it this way: Compared to the fans in south Miami-Dade, you had it good for the first 18 years (1993 to 2011). Now is someone else's turn.

 

 

Seeing that I am the only one talking about week night games I must assume at least part of this is directed towards me. And so my response.

Is that right? I would put my driving time and distance up against yours any time and I am a long time season ticket holder that has stuck with the franchise through thick and thin. If the driving time to and from the new ball park is going to hinder my job performance and/or job attendance then my choice for giving up my season tickets is a choice I will make regardless of your opinion. If I can figure out some way of keeping my tickets then great. If I can't then I don't need someone telling me I am letting the team or community down. I have responsibilities to my family first. I have continually stated that I would keep those tickets for at least the first year and try it out. If it is not feasible or financially acceptable to me then so be it no matter how tired you are of hearing the bitching about not being able to make week night games. I have also stated that I am at least glad the team is staying even if I won't be able to make the amount of games that I am accustomed to.

On weekend nights (say a Friday), when they have a play at the performing arts center, a concert/heat game at the AAA, AND a marlins game, the traffic is going to be REAL bad on 95. Not complaining here (I probably have less drive than many of you), but just saying. Exits 1 and 3 off 95 south are going to be TIGHT. Let's hope we get some group scheduling going...

I said this is in a previous thread. AAA traffic + stadium traffic + performing arts center traffic is going to be hell on Earth.

 

I'm getting just a little tired of hearing all this bitching about how the future stadium traffic is going to be unbearable, how some of you won't be able to go to weeknight games, how some of you will have to give up your season tickets....etc....etc....etc..

 

I've been a season ticket holder for many years, live in south Miami-Dade county and still managed the distance and the traffic to go to most of the games while having a full time job. A few times I've gotten to my seat in the 2nd or 3rd inning, but still enjoyed going to the games.

 

We should all be grateful that the team will probably stay in South Florida, and more grateful still to the City of Miami and Miami-Dade County which are putting up the money.

 

We need ALL Marlins fans to go to the games for this franchise to be successful. So please, get over the fact that you will have the inconvenience of driving for 30 to 40 more minutes and come down and enjoy the games. Look at it this way: Compared to the fans in south Miami-Dade, you had it good for the first 18 years (1993 to 2011). Now is someone else's turn.

Ask yourself this. Do you think casual baseball fans are going to sit in 30 or 40 minute traffic to get to a Marlins game? That was my sole purpose of mentioning the traffic issue. In regards to my participation, I agree with BB, I certainly am glad that the Marlins are staying in South Florida and I'd rather have them playing in the Everglades rather than Portland, but I too will likely not be able to make it to as many games as I have the past 14 years that I've been a faithful fan of this team as I have, believe it or not, more important matters to tend to most days of the week.

 

This is a message board. There are a lot of different opinions here. While I wasn't exactly "bitching", if you don't want to hear different people voice their opinions (or "bitch" as you like to call it), don't come to one.

A couple of times the Marlins have made mention of finding rapid transit (I read that as meaning rail) solutions for fans in Broward and PBP. It may very well be, working with FEC (their rail line runs right behind the Miami Arena) there could be (thinking of some place like the Hollywood stop) a possible nightly "Marlins train" in the future.

A couple of times the Marlins have made mention of finding rapid transit (I read that as meaning rail) solutions for fans in Broward and PBP. It may very well be, working with FEC (their rail line runs right behind the Miami Arena) there could be (thinking of some place like the Hollywood stop) a possible nightly "Marlins train" in the future.

I know I've used this comparison so many times in regards to the new stadium but its shaping up to be a lot like PETCO Park. They had one 20$ (for the day) parking lot at the stadium and then a bunch of 10$ downtown Ace parking lots that were always full with cars that worked downtown. Unless you planned on navigating downtown traffic and parking a 10 minutes walk from the stadium in virtually the worst area of downtown San Diego, you were using the trolley. I lived about 30 minutes from downtown, 10 minutes from Mission Valley where Qualcomm is located. Every Padres game I went to at PETCO Park, I parked at Qualcomm and took the 20 minute orange line trolley for 5 bucks round trip down to PETCO and back. Locals called it the "Padre Train". I have a feeling I'll be doing something very similar when the new stadium comes.

 

Do you or does anyone know how much parking they're planning on building?

People make it to Heat games, No reason why they cant make it to Marlin games. This is Miami for crying out loud there will always be traffic.

People make it to Heat games, No reason why they cant make it to Marlin games. This is Miami for crying out loud there will always be traffic.

I hate to be blunt but people are probably more interested in a defending champion.

People make it to Heat games, No reason why they cant make it to Marlin games. This is Miami for crying out loud there will always be traffic.

I hate to be blunt but people are probably more interested in a defending champion.

 

When the Marlins start winning like they will be we wont have to worry about this. South Florida supports winners. Simple as that. Oh and people have been attending basketball games since the Heat started winning half way through Wade's first season. Once they were in the playoff hunt games began to sell out. Then we got Shaq and you couldnt buy tickets anymore without being a season ticket holder. Oh and people still go to games even this year when both Shaq and Wade were out and we were completely sucking it up.

On weekend nights (say a Friday), when they have a play at the performing arts center, a concert/heat game at the AAA, AND a marlins game, the traffic is going to be REAL bad on 95. Not complaining here (I probably have less drive than many of you), but just saying. Exits 1 and 3 off 95 south are going to be TIGHT. Let's hope we get some group scheduling going...

I said this is in a previous thread. AAA traffic + stadium traffic + performing arts center traffic is going to be hell on Earth.

 

I'm getting just a little tired of hearing all this bitching about how the future stadium traffic is going to be unbearable, how some of you won't be able to go to weeknight games, how some of you will have to give up your season tickets....etc....etc....etc..

 

I've been a season ticket holder for many years, live in south Miami-Dade county and still managed the distance and the traffic to go to most of the games while having a full time job. A few times I've gotten to my seat in the 2nd or 3rd inning, but still enjoyed going to the games.

 

We should all be grateful that the team will probably stay in South Florida, and more grateful still to the City of Miami and Miami-Dade County which are putting up the money.

 

We need ALL Marlins fans to go to the games for this franchise to be successful. So please, get over the fact that you will have the inconvenience of driving for 30 to 40 more minutes and come down and enjoy the games. Look at it this way: Compared to the fans in south Miami-Dade, you had it good for the first 18 years (1993 to 2011). Now is someone else's turn.

Ask yourself this. Do you think casual baseball fans are going to sit in 30 or 40 minute traffic to get to a Marlins game? That was my sole purpose of mentioning the traffic issue. In regards to my participation, I agree with BB, I certainly am glad that the Marlins are staying in South Florida and I'd rather have them playing in the Everglades rather than Portland, but I too will likely not be able to make it to as many games as I have the past 14 years that I've been a faithful fan of this team as I have, believe it or not, more important matters to tend to most days of the week.

 

This is a message board. There are a lot of different opinions here. While I wasn't exactly "bitching", if you don't want to hear different people voice their opinions (or "bitch" as you like to call it), don't come to one.

 

It will suck for palm beach and northern broward people, but they will still sell weekend packs. They play about 26 saturday and sunday games. If you really wanted to you could attend a few weekday games as well and still make it to 30+ games. No other county wanted to pay for the marlins. So if it means keeping the marlins around and going to less games vs going to no games and losing them I am sure everyone would pick the first one.

It sucked when the panthers moved to sunrise, but I still go to games. Maybe I don't go to as many week night games but they still have friday and saturday games.

A couple of times the Marlins have made mention of finding rapid transit (I read that as meaning rail) solutions for fans in Broward and PBP. It may very well be, working with FEC (their rail line runs right behind the Miami Arena) there could be (thinking of some place like the Hollywood stop) a possible nightly "Marlins train" in the future.

 

Any passenger "rail" to the stadium is going to consist of Tri-Rail/MetroRail packages, it will be a long, long time before FEC allows passenger rail on its lines. As I noted before in another post, three years ago I sat in on a meeting with the SFRTA administrator who told me and (now U.S. Representative) Ron Klein that FEC's "asking price" to SFRTA for the "right" to use their lines for passengers STARTED at $1,000,000,000.00 (yes, that's a BILLION!). It was an astronomical price for Tri-Rail at that time to consider moving their lines over to FEC from CSX.

 

What is more likely to happen is the expansion of Tri-Rail service to more than just once an hour on weekdays/weeknights. Once the new DMU rail-cars begin to be incorporated into the Tri-Rail service, you'll see trains running every twenty-minutes. Or there may be a "massing" of trains at the Tri-Rail/MetroRail Transfer Station after the games so that people can use the rails to get back to Broward. It can be done, Tri-Rail had RECORD ridership on February 4, 2007 -- which happened to be Super Bowl Sunday. Those Broward and Palm Beach people are just going to have to get used to riding the rails to get to games.

I'm 24 and am working on a master's in urban planning. I've been to Miami a handful of times as well. I was very impressed with the Metromover and Metrorail systems when I was there. I didn't ride the Metrorail, but building a stadium near Metrorail will significantly boost attendance. Parking, traffic, and simply the cost of parking and gas will make using transit MUCH MORE attractive. People won't have to deal with anything.

 

It was like this when I went to a White Sox game in 2003. The transit station was in the middle of the Interstate and there was a pedestrian bridge over the lanes so thousands of people could walk to the stadium with no problem. I thought it was pretty freakin sweet.

 

Are there any plans for Metrorail or Metromover extensions? We're just now learning that highways should not be the ONLY way to get around a city. All they do is make traffic worse and make new ghettos. Rail can also carry 15 times the number of people per hour than a highway.

 

That's why I think putting the stadium on the rail line is important. Too bad AAA isn't on the Metrorail.

A couple of times the Marlins have made mention of finding rapid transit (I read that as meaning rail) solutions for fans in Broward and PBP. It may very well be, working with FEC (their rail line runs right behind the Miami Arena) there could be (thinking of some place like the Hollywood stop) a possible nightly "Marlins train" in the future.

 

Any passenger "rail" to the stadium is going to consist of Tri-Rail/MetroRail packages, it will be a long, long time before FEC allows passenger rail on its lines. As I noted before in another post, three years ago I sat in on a meeting with the SFRTA administrator who told me and (now U.S. Representative) Ron Klein that FEC's "asking price" to SFRTA for the "right" to use their lines for passengers STARTED at $1,000,000,000.00 (yes, that's a BILLION!). It was an astronomical price for Tri-Rail at that time to consider moving their lines over to FEC from CSX.

 

What is more likely to happen is the expansion of Tri-Rail service to more than just once an hour on weekdays/weeknights. Once the new DMU rail-cars begin to be incorporated into the Tri-Rail service, you'll see trains running every twenty-minutes. Or there may be a "massing" of trains at the Tri-Rail/MetroRail Transfer Station after the games so that people can use the rails to get back to Broward. It can be done, Tri-Rail had RECORD ridership on February 4, 2007 -- which happened to be Super Bowl Sunday. Those Broward and Palm Beach people are just going to have to get used to riding the rails to get to games.

 

That will be fine after some adjustment I think...as long as the service is convenient and on-time for games I would much prefer to ride a train for a game downtown than fight traffic and pay $20 for parking--I know that would still be the case if I still lived in Lauderhill. Most people in Boston go to Red Sox games on the T and there aren't any complaints. Actually where South Florida could probably be better than Boston in that regard is making sure the train runs late enough to cover late-running games. I was at a Sox-Yanks game a couple years ago when people taking the commuter rail (not the local subway) actually had to leave in the 8th inning because it was an 8:00 Sunday Night Baseball game and went until past 11.

Any passenger "rail" to the stadium is going to consist of Tri-Rail/MetroRail packages...

 

The only reason I even mentioned it was because there is a link of sorts between the Marlins and FEC via Codina (re: Hialeah site, re: Miami Arena site) and so just thinking outside the box for a minute, and I hope it was understood I was just speculating, it dawned on me FEC itself might have an interest.

 

BTW, is there any plan to link Tri-Rail to Metro-Rail? I know there is that line that runs down 27th that's fairly close but I'd be the first to admit I'm out of the loop (no pun intended) when it comes to rail travel and future plans thereof in M-D.

Anybody that thinks there's going to be a signifigant number of people using mass transit to go to a sporting event in Dade/Broward must still have a buzz from Marley-Fest yesterday.

Anybody that thinks there's going to be a signifigant number of people using mass transit to go to a sporting event in Dade/Broward must still have a buzz from Marley-Fest yesterday.

 

I dont agree with you at all. I think at first people who live along the metro rail line will attempt to drive in. Once they realize that it is faster, easier and cheaper to take the metro rail then we will see a large number of fans taking the train. For the most part there is no mass transit to get to stadiums or arenas. If we were going to rely on buses then I would agree with you but that is not the case. The American Airlines arena doesnt get that many fans via the metro because people have to connect to the metro mover. I am sure that scares people away. The marlins stadium would be right on the main station so no one would have to connect (including the people mover).

If the train is going to drop you off right in front of the stadium, why would anyone ever drive?

Anybody that thinks there's going to be a signifigant number of people using mass transit to go to a sporting event in Dade/Broward must still have a buzz from Marley-Fest yesterday.

 

When the Dolphins moved from the Orange Bowl to Joe Robbie Stadium, I stopped going to the games because I could no longer use MetroRail. When the Panthers moved to Broward, I stopped going because I could no longer use MetroRail.

 

During those Dolphins games at the OB, the trains were packed with Dolfans who turned the trains into a mini-tailgating with yelling and cheering. Same held true for some of those trains leaving Panther games at the old Miami Arena.

 

Given a choice between traffic and rapid transit, most people will eventually choose rapid transit.

Anybody that thinks there's going to be a signifigant number of people using mass transit to go to a sporting event in Dade/Broward must still have a buzz from Marley-Fest yesterday.

 

When the Dolphins moved from the Orange Bowl to Joe Robbie Stadium, I stopped going to the games because I could no longer use MetroRail. When the Panthers moved to Broward, I stopped going because I could no longer use MetroRail.

 

During those Dolphins games at the OB, the trains were packed with Dolfans who turned the trains into a mini-tailgating with yelling and cheering. Same held true for some of those trains leaving Panther games at the old Miami Arena.

 

Given a choice between traffic and rapid transit, most people will eventually choose rapid transit.

ya thats what im thinking the train thing would be awsome cuz it would create an atmosphere....when i visited yankee stadium the train was packed with people wearing yankees gear...it builds up the excitement

Anybody that thinks there's going to be a signifigant number of people using mass transit to go to a sporting event in Dade/Broward must still have a buzz from Marley-Fest yesterday.

 

When the Dolphins moved from the Orange Bowl to Joe Robbie Stadium, I stopped going to the games because I could no longer use MetroRail. When the Panthers moved to Broward, I stopped going because I could no longer use MetroRail.

 

During those Dolphins games at the OB, the trains were packed with Dolfans who turned the trains into a mini-tailgating with yelling and cheering. Same held true for some of those trains leaving Panther games at the old Miami Arena.

 

Given a choice between traffic and rapid transit, most people will eventually choose rapid transit.

I think money alone is going to be the deciding factor because I have no doubt that parking is going to cost a fortune in a downtown stadium unless the Marlins somehow manage to get enough land for a pretty sizable parking lot...which I don't really forsee happening.

A couple of times the Marlins have made mention of finding rapid transit (I read that as meaning rail) solutions for fans in Broward and PBP. It may very well be, working with FEC (their rail line runs right behind the Miami Arena) there could be (thinking of some place like the Hollywood stop) a possible nightly "Marlins train" in the future.

That would make all the sense in the world! No one really wants to drive into downtown if they don't have to being a former resident of Kendall it was soooo easy going to the Arena while i hated the drive to Dolphin Stadium. The Tri-Rail would be the perfect solution more so if the parking would be free as it was on the Metro-rail for us

Someone mentioned it a few posts ago, but the bottom line is money. If parking is going to cost 15 dollars (atleast) and the metro rail is 3 round trip, its a no brainer.

Someone mentioned it a few posts ago, but the bottom line is money. If parking is going to cost 15 dollars (atleast) and the metro rail is 3 round trip, its a no brainer.

I'm sure MetroRail will jack their prices.

I'll take Metro Rail to every game. We used to do that when the Panthers were playing downtown, and the trains were always packed with Panther fans....

Someone mentioned it a few posts ago, but the bottom line is money. If parking is going to cost 15 dollars (atleast) and the metro rail is 3 round trip, its a no brainer.

I'm sure MetroRail will jack their prices.

Thats pretty doubtful...but even if they did itd still be a much more reasonable option. I think the highest they could jack up prices, if they wanted to, would be $2 one way. So then its only 4 bucks, still way better than parking

 

However, for people taking transit to Marlins games, theyre gonna have to improve the wait for a train after games. Its one thing to put up with a 15-20 minute wait for the occasional weekend Heat game, but that would get old very quickly for a nightly sport like baseball