It's funny this move makes me recall a certain quote: "I can see myself playing at this level for a very long time." LMAO, I was high on him last year, and with his fancy work ethic I hope he can get back up and actually contribute on a consistent basis. I still have faith he'll get it together. Reason why I like this player so much is cause he reminds me of myself who played both baseball and football and excelled and was stuck choosing between two-three sports. I wish him the best.

I guess lost in this was the point I was trying to make about how a few hits either way make such a huge difference in numbers and the perceptions that grow from the when the sample is small.

well said, I see your point, and I agree ..

its to bad we cant have a GOOD GUY variable in those stats, because then Reggie would stay up if we did ..mmm..

Thank God that Reggie is gone. Hallelujah!

Borchard has more talent then Reed and Sanchez combined.

 

People didn't like him in Chicago because he didn't produce. That would happen anywhere.

Is it just me or do all the Reggie topics usually turn into who could come up with the funniest joke on Reggie?

 

You can ask him about that when he delivers your pizza.

Baseball is about runs. Centerfield is usually a spot braced for SB's, and a high OBP, which create runs. In the "forgotten" Runs Created stat it shows Borchard creating only 55 runs in 600 AB's throughout his career. This is an incredibly low number. His OBP is at a career .283 which is definitely not good, and granted last year, he had a career year with his .318 OBP.

 

But speed and runs, is where the league trend is in CF for the most part. Even if he hits 20 homeruns, this will not make up for his lack of run production. Homeruns are severely overrated when it comes to creating runs.

 

We are losing so much of at this position with Borchard. Borchard hit well in pinch situations, but I can almost gurantee he will definitely contribute the least amount of any starter.

 

I'd rather see Reed, Sanchez, or Abercrombie.

I've learned not to take most of these conversations about CF seriously considering a vast majority of the people here wanted ALEX FREAKING SANCHEZ starting about a month ago. Joebo is the best option we have and its not even close... no matter how ugly he is.

Me, upon hearing the news:

 

 

 

This sucks, although I'm pretty sure I'm probably one of the only people who is actually upset...

 

How much are plane tickets to Albuquerque?

 

It was a much needed move. He needs the time away from the pressure. I'm pulling for him big time to get it together.

BTW Nice to finally meet you. Kinda surprising that seeing as we sit so close during the regular season we have never crossed paths before and it had to be a trip to Mets land to finally meet up. Actually, I was taking some video of the crowd arriving for the game and my wife pointed you and your friend out to me and asked if that was you. The hat and the Reggie jersey gave you away. LOL

Baseball is about runs. Centerfield is usually a spot braced for SB's, and a high OBP, which create runs. In the "forgotten" Runs Created stat it shows Borchard creating only 55 runs in 600 AB's throughout his career. This is an incredibly low number. His OBP is at a career .283 which is definitely not good, and granted last year, he had a career year with his .318 OBP.

 

But speed and runs, is where the league trend is in CF for the most part. Even if he hits 20 homeruns, this will not make up for his lack of run production. Homeruns are severely overrated when it comes to creating runs.

 

We are losing so much of at this position with Borchard. Borchard hit well in pinch situations, but I can almost gurantee he will definitely contribute the least amount of any starter.

 

I'd rather see Reed, Sanchez, or Abercrombie.

yes yes yes well done yes//// Finally

I've learned not to take most of these conversations about CF seriously considering a vast majority of the people here wanted ALEX FREAKING SANCHEZ starting about a month ago. Joebo is the best option we have and its not even close... no matter how ugly he is.

Those people still want him to start it seems.

 

And yes, he is almost as ugly as Jay Gibbons is.

 

Probably more so.

Baseball is about runs. Centerfield is usually a spot braced for SB's, and a high OBP, which create runs. In the "forgotten" Runs Created stat it shows Borchard creating only 55 runs in 600 AB's throughout his career. This is an incredibly low number. His OBP is at a career .283 which is definitely not good, and granted last year, he had a career year with his .318 OBP.

 

But speed and runs, is where the league trend is in CF for the most part. Even if he hits 20 homeruns, this will not make up for his lack of run production. Homeruns are severely overrated when it comes to creating runs.

 

We are losing so much of at this position with Borchard. Borchard hit well in pinch situations, but I can almost gurantee he will definitely contribute the least amount of any starter.

 

I'd rather see Reed, Sanchez, or Abercrombie.

yes yes yes well done yes//// Finally

 

Except it's wrong. Perhaps better put missing part of the equation.

 

This kind of stat use, while interesting ignores the possibility that a player, especially a player who so far has had limited playing time and much of it in late innings, inserted in the lineup for some specialty reason, can get better with more experience and playing time.

 

Not all players come out of the box ala Miguel Cabrera. Take any random group of fifty or a hundred ballplayers and look at their numbers over their first 1,000 ABs. My guess is those who stuck around will improve as they are used more and learn. It takes a while for your average (and that word is not being used disparagingly) MLB player to come up and get adjusted to the caliber of pitching in the bigs where fastballs aren't straight as string and move like curveballs in the minors, and curveballs break like they were falling off a table rather than a few inches at AA.

 

I have no idea whether Borchard ever becomes an everyday major league ballplayer or not, but I also think (respectfully) no one can say with any certainty that he won't. He claims to have made adjustments to his swing this spring working with Presley. Maybe it works and we have a terrific piece of talent on our hands, or it may not and he's gone by July. But to look back over 537 ABs over five years and come to a defintive conclusion about the guy I say is premature at best.

Baseball is about runs. Centerfield is usually a spot braced for SB's, and a high OBP, which create runs. In the "forgotten" Runs Created stat it shows Borchard creating only 55 runs in 600 AB's throughout his career. This is an incredibly low number. His OBP is at a career .283 which is definitely not good, and granted last year, he had a career year with his .318 OBP.

 

But speed and runs, is where the league trend is in CF for the most part. Even if he hits 20 homeruns, this will not make up for his lack of run production. Homeruns are severely overrated when it comes to creating runs.

 

We are losing so much of at this position with Borchard. Borchard hit well in pinch situations, but I can almost gurantee he will definitely contribute the least amount of any starter.

 

I'd rather see Reed, Sanchez, or Abercrombie.

yes yes yes well done yes//// Finally

 

Except it's wrong. Perhaps better put missing part of the equation.

 

This kind of stat use, while interesting ignores the possibility that a player, especially a player who so far has had limited playing time and much of it in late innings, inserted in the lineup for some specialty reason, can get better with more experience and playing time.

 

Not all players come out of the box ala Miguel Cabrera. Take any random group of fifty or a hundred ballplayers and look at their numbers over their first 1,000 ABs. My guess is those who stuck around will improve as they are used more and learn. It takes a while for your average (and that word is not being used disparagingly) MLB player to come up and get adjusted to the caliber of pitching in the bigs where fastballs aren't straight as string and move like curveballs in the minors, and curveballs break like they were falling off a table rather than a few inches at AA.

 

I have no idea whether Borchard ever becomes an everyday major league ballplayer or not, but I also think (respectfully) no one can say with any certainty that he won't. He claims to have made adjustments to his swing this spring working with Presley. Maybe it works and we have a terrific piece of talent on our hands, or it may not and he's gone by July. But to look back over 537 ABs over five years and come to a defintive conclusion about the guy I say is premature at best.

 

Yup. Admin Beinfest himself has said you don't know what kind of player you have until he's got at 1000 at bats under his belt (I'm assuming 1000 consistent at bats, as opposed to spread out).

The trouble is, it is sometimes hard to hand any given player that many ABs and expect to contend.

 

LOL. Now I switch subjects to Jason Wood. One of the reasons I think he doesn't fall on his face if he sticks with the Fish this spring is he's had over 6000 ABs (albeit mostly in the minor leagues) and you look at his last three years (when you'd think his age would catch up with him) and he's been as consistent as anyone could be.

 

Not flashy, not super numbers, just go out and grind out good numbers. I'd bet if he makes the team his numbers won't be that much different. He is what he is.

What's funny about what I said?

 

:notworthy I was laughing at myself for switching subjects.

Baseball is about runs. Centerfield is usually a spot braced for SB's, and a high OBP, which create runs. In the "forgotten" Runs Created stat it shows Borchard creating only 55 runs in 600 AB's throughout his career. This is an incredibly low number. His OBP is at a career .283 which is definitely not good, and granted last year, he had a career year with his .318 OBP.

 

But speed and runs, is where the league trend is in CF for the most part. Even if he hits 20 homeruns, this will not make up for his lack of run production. Homeruns are severely overrated when it comes to creating runs.

 

We are losing so much of at this position with Borchard. Borchard hit well in pinch situations, but I can almost gurantee he will definitely contribute the least amount of any starter.

 

I'd rather see Reed, Sanchez, or Abercrombie.

yes yes yes well done yes//// Finally

 

Except it's wrong. Perhaps better put missing part of the equation.

 

This kind of stat use, while interesting ignores the possibility that a player, especially a player who so far has had limited playing time and much of it in late innings, inserted in the lineup for some specialty reason, can get better with more experience and playing time.

 

Not all players come out of the box ala Miguel Cabrera. Take any random group of fifty or a hundred ballplayers and look at their numbers over their first 1,000 ABs. My guess is those who stuck around will improve as they are used more and learn. It takes a while for your average (and that word is not being used disparagingly) MLB player to come up and get adjusted to the caliber of pitching in the bigs where fastballs aren't straight as string and move like curveballs in the minors, and curveballs break like they were falling off a table rather than a few inches at AA.

 

I have no idea whether Borchard ever becomes an everyday major league ballplayer or not, but I also think (respectfully) no one can say with any certainty that he won't. He claims to have made adjustments to his swing this spring working with Presley. Maybe it works and we have a terrific piece of talent on our hands, or it may not and he's gone by July. But to look back over 537 ABs over five years and come to a defintive conclusion about the guy I say is premature at best.

 

Yup. Admin Beinfest himself has said you don't know what kind of player you have until he's got at 1000 at bats under his belt (I'm assuming 1000 consistent at bats, as opposed to spread out).

 

 

That's the thing about stats. Their purpose is to record value and determine it for what it is, not what it could be. If this was the case you would have to look at Reggie, and say he could really end up being a very productive major leaguer, just as well as Borch could. I like Borch, I really do. I want to see him on the club in a semi-significant role. But, I don't think CF is the spot. That's just my opinion, seperated from any statistics.

 

I will conceed that Borch might possibly be the best immediate solution for the Marlins, but his past doesn't stack up either, just like Reggie's doesn't, just like Reed's doesn't. So, I don't think he needs to be handed the ugly CF crown, considering his past performance, and that he is in all reality a defensive liabilty.

 

I will add, that Alex Sanchez has a .296 average, with a .330 OBP in 1,527 Major League At Bats.

I will add, that Alex Sanchez has a .296 average, with a .330 OBP in 1,527 Major League At Bats.

 

If our guys think he can come close to that kind of production (.270/.330) then I say let's go for it. However, if a drop in average down to .270 will bring him down below .330 OBP I am not sure it is worth it. He needs to get on base at a higher clip.

I will add, that Alex Sanchez has a .296 average, with a .330 OBP in 1,527 Major League At Bats.

he also was out of the major leagues last year, and struggled in AAA

I wasn't making a case for or against any player, not Reggie, not Borchard, etc., simply saying I thought there wasn't enough evidence to come to any conclusions yet based on past performance. I thought I made that clear that I was not trying to predict anyone's future performance.

 

Personally I don't care if they put a chimp in a tutu out there if it's got a .997 FP and a .355 OBP, and we wind up in the playoffs, if you get my point.

I will add, that Alex Sanchez has a .296 average, with a .330 OBP in 1,527 Major League At Bats.

he also was out of the major leagues last year, and struggled in AAA

In the end he still has no plate discipline and no power. People just can't get over that batting average figure, can they?

 

I just used the BA as others throughout this board are using Borch's stats for his sake.

 

I know Sanchez has no power, and is able to see such a high clip in his BA because he plays such small offense. I know he was out of the majors last year, and yes he struggled in AAA, but he also excelled in AA for the majority of the season.

 

I'm not vying for Sanchez or anyone else to get the job. In fact, I would be moderately pleased to see Borch out in CF once the season begins. I am just challenging the overall approval of Joe Borchard's essential lifespan in CF. He is just not a centerfielder, in my opinion, and he has never proven that he could be.

 

I respect all of your opinions, and I guess I am just a contrarion by nature.

They should trade him right now while someone may still be stupid enough to offer something valuable in return. Reggie sucks, he's no spring chicken either. Seems like a nice guy, but he's terrible. I'm surprised to see him go this early, but it's the right move.

If you were a GM of a major league baseball team what would you give in trade for Kool-Aid? I wanna remind you your job depends on the team's performance...I am sure that it wouldn't be very much if anything

 

 

People salivate over the tools that someone like Reggie has...someone out there would give something in return for him right now. I'm not saying they could get the answer to the CF or Closer problem, but they could get a guy in Single A that has more than 5% of ever being a productive player in the majors, which is more than can be said for Reggie.

They should trade him right now while someone may still be stupid enough to offer something valuable in return. Reggie sucks, he's no spring chicken either. Seems like a nice guy, but he's terrible. I'm surprised to see him go this early, but it's the right move.

If you were a GM of a major league baseball team what would you give in trade for Kool-Aid? I wanna remind you your job depends on the team's performance...I am sure that it wouldn't be very much if anything

 

 

People salivate over the tools that someone like Reggie has...someone out there would give something in return for him right now. I'm not saying they could get the answer to the CF or Closer problem, but they could get a guy in Single A that has more than 5% of ever being a productive player in the majors, which is more than can be said for Reggie.

Nah, they couldn't. He is a soon to be 27 year old who has really done nothing in his entire career. He is worth more to us (amazingly) than he would be to another team right now.

Hell...you're prob. right I say trade him just so that I can feel better that he's no longer on this team.

After his performance last season in the Majors, with Carolina in the Puerto Rican Winter League and lastly in ST Abercrombie has no discernable value whatsoever. I don't even think we can send him to Japan. Kool-Aid's career is in jeopardy right now. He is on his last leg. Well at least he played in the Show and hit a Homer that may very well be a feat of legends. He now has stories for his grand-kids