March 30, 200719 yr oh c'mon Was that not the overwhelmingly prevailing logic when we acquired him? Now I realize spring means somewhere between nothing and very little if you're not competing for a job, but he was terrible, and he's done nothing yet to dispel that perception.
March 30, 200719 yr It was...but behind that logic are the two facts we discussed earlier. Those guys had better shots to turn their sh*t around because DS supresses lefty power possibly more than any other environment (and overall offense) and the pressure of Miami as a sportstown is minimal because the media and population dont give you crap. Not sure how much the last factor actually affects performance, but I believe there's some. Second paragraph...I agree. Nobody knows what to expect from Julio or basically our entire team outside of D-Train and Cabrera.
March 30, 200719 yr if julio gets lit up in the regular season than we can revert to the previous plan of using one of the young guns to close , i still dont think this was a bad deal petit was never going to amount to anything with the marlins so if julio doesnt work out really what have we lost?
March 30, 200719 yr if julio gets lit up in the regular season than we can revert to the previous plan of using one of the young guns to close , i still dont think this was a bad deal petit was never going to amount to anything with the marlins so if julio doesnt work out really what have we lost? Baseball games (Wins). Sorry I had to comment .
March 30, 200719 yr if julio gets lit up in the regular season than we can revert to the previous plan of using one of the young guns to close , i still dont think this was a bad deal petit was never going to amount to anything with the marlins so if julio doesnt work out really what have we lost? 5-6 games
March 30, 200719 yr oh c'mon Was that not the overwhelmingly prevailing logic when we acquired him? That technically isn't even considered to be logic. And I'm not being facetious. Don't get snippy with me, I'm on your side. As a matter of fact, I think you me and Ramp were the only people 100% opposed from the outset.
March 30, 200719 yr If Spring Training meant something, OMGNunez would be on the Hall of Fame ballot :thumbup Let's wait for the season before drawing conclusions.
March 30, 200719 yr if julio gets lit up in the regular season than we can revert to the previous plan of using one of the young guns to close , i still dont think this was a bad deal petit was never going to amount to anything with the marlins so if julio doesnt work out really what have we lost? Baseball games (Wins). Sorry I had to comment . I dont think Fredi will keep throwing Julio out there with the game on the line if he doesnt think he can close the game besides as you know no closer is perfect even if julio has a good year he still is going to blow some games , i think based on his experience and his stuff he deserves a chance i maybe wrong , but it is not as if we have a great closer who has experience on the roster at the very least he will give our young guns a little bit experience in the majors before being thrown into the fire . Plus 2 million dollars (that's a lot to this team) plus a young arm. if we had an owner who could actually afford to be a mlb owner money would not even be an issue , i think signing boone to a million dollar contract was a bigger mistake than julio , if julio doesnt pan out i guarantee some team come july will be willing to trade for him . As to Petit we have many young arms down on the farm i dont see where losing him is a huge loss
March 30, 200719 yr if julio gets lit up in the regular season than we can revert to the previous plan of using one of the young guns to close , i still dont think this was a bad deal petit was never going to amount to anything with the marlins so if julio doesnt work out really what have we lost? Baseball games (Wins). Sorry I had to comment . I dont think Fredi will keep throwing Julio out there with the game on the line if he doesnt think he can close the game besides as you know no closer is perfect even if julio has a good year he still is going to blow some games , i think based on his experience and his stuff he deserves a chance i maybe wrong , but it is not as if we have a great closer who has experience on the roster at the very least he will give our young guns a little bit experience in the majors before being thrown into the fire . I think you're incorrect. If anything, Julio's past experiences as a closer will buy him more time in the role that would not be afforded to anyone who will blow multiple 3 run leads. No one's saying a closer's going to have a 100% success rate, but asking Julio to close 75% of his games is probably asking too much...and that'll add up.
March 30, 200719 yr if julio gets lit up in the regular season than we can revert to the previous plan of using one of the young guns to close , i still dont think this was a bad deal petit was never going to amount to anything with the marlins so if julio doesnt work out really what have we lost? 5-6 games you really cant predict what kind of closer a guy with good stuff will be who is too say if we made owens the closer he wouldnt blow 7-8 games (I actually think owens will be a good pitcher) Julio is a risk worth taking given our track record with closers , i dont want to get into the long drawn out debate how each of the previous 3 closers situations dont translate into Julio's situation , BUT the fact remains the last 3 closers were thought to be finished they came here and had success . To me a guy with good stuff , in our stadium , in a CONTRACT year i think has a good shot to be at least a serviceable closer
March 30, 200719 yr oh c'mon Was that not the overwhelmingly prevailing logic when we acquired him? That technically isn't even considered to be logic. And I'm not being facetious. Don't get snippy with me, I'm on your side. As a matter of fact, I think you me and Ramp were the only people 100% opposed from the outset. And just to nip this before it gets out of hand...... I will speak for others as well as myself who were NOT saying, "omg this is the worst f'n trade in the history of the Marlins." No one said Julio is the answer. What we (as in most of us) said was, all we gave up was a guy who was slowly tap dancing his way closer and closer to "what ever happened to that guy Petit". All this bulls*it about how it cost us "all this money" is exactly that..........bulls*it. 2 million is freakin peanuts in MLB in the year 2007. The reality is, we brought a guy in with some closing experience and got rid of a guy who was grooving big flat fastballs like everynight was extended batting practice. So with all due respect, you guys can stop getting ready to say "we told you so!" because I saw maybe 2 posters on the whole board say that Julio was the answer to our bullpen problems.
March 30, 200719 yr if julio gets lit up in the regular season than we can revert to the previous plan of using one of the young guns to close , i still dont think this was a bad deal petit was never going to amount to anything with the marlins so if julio doesnt work out really what have we lost? Baseball games (Wins). Sorry I had to comment . I dont think Fredi will keep throwing Julio out there with the game on the line if he doesnt think he can close the game besides as you know no closer is perfect even if julio has a good year he still is going to blow some games , i think based on his experience and his stuff he deserves a chance i maybe wrong , but it is not as if we have a great closer who has experience on the roster at the very least he will give our young guns a little bit experience in the majors before being thrown into the fire . I think you're incorrect. If anything, Julio's past experiences as a closer will buy him more time in the role that would not be afforded to anyone who will blow multiple 3 run leads. Don't forget the contract year factor.
March 30, 200719 yr if julio gets lit up in the regular season than we can revert to the previous plan of using one of the young guns to close , i still dont think this was a bad deal petit was never going to amount to anything with the marlins so if julio doesnt work out really what have we lost? Baseball games (Wins). Sorry I had to comment . I dont think Fredi will keep throwing Julio out there with the game on the line if he doesnt think he can close the game besides as you know no closer is perfect even if julio has a good year he still is going to blow some games , i think based on his experience and his stuff he deserves a chance i maybe wrong , but it is not as if we have a great closer who has experience on the roster at the very least he will give our young guns a little bit experience in the majors before being thrown into the fire . I think you're incorrect. If anything, Julio's past experiences as a closer will buy him more time in the role that would not be afforded to anyone who will blow multiple 3 run leads. No one's saying a closer's going to have a 100% success rate, but asking Julio to close 75% of his games is probably asking too much...and that'll add up. I maybe in the minority but i dont think fredi will allow him to close if he is only closing 60-70% of his save opportunites......i guess we will see soon how julio plays out as the marlins closer
March 30, 200719 yr Jorge Julio have hard time today game getting three out he our closer for marlins when we need three out to win a game can he do job I'd be more worried about my grammar skills if I were you.
March 30, 200719 yr Jorge Julio have hard time today game getting three out he our closer for marlins when we need three out to win a game can he do job I'd be more worried about my grammar skills if I were you. He does the best he can. We've been over this before. Lay off.
March 30, 200719 yr oh c'mon Was that not the overwhelmingly prevailing logic when we acquired him? That technically isn't even considered to be logic. And I'm not being facetious. Don't get snippy with me, I'm on your side. As a matter of fact, I think you me and Ramp were the only people 100% opposed from the outset. And just to nip this before it gets out of hand...... I will speak for others as well as myself who were NOT saying, "omg this is the worst f'n trade in the history of the Marlins." No one said Julio is the answer. What we (as in most of us) said was, all we gave up was a guy who was slowly tap dancing his way closer and closer to "what ever happened to that guy Petit". All this bulls*it about how it cost us "all this money" is exactly that..........bulls*it. 2 million is freakin peanuts in MLB in the year 2007. The reality is, we brought a guy in with some closing experience and got rid of a guy who was grooving big flat fastballs like everynight was extended batting practice. So with all due respect, you guys can stop getting ready to say "we told you so!" because I saw maybe 2 posters on the whole board say that Julio was the answer to our bullpen problems. We're more angry about the fact that Julio is on this team, than that of Petit becoming something special and Petit is still all over 23 years old and actually had a pretty respectable year in Coors.... er... the PCL last season also, while $2mil is peanuts in 2007, it isn't too the Marlins, sorry.
March 30, 200719 yr Jorge Julio have hard time today game getting three out he our closer for marlins when we need three out to win a game can he do job I'd be more worried about my grammar skills if I were you. Damn lay off the guy, it's a post not an English Essay...you people sometimes, and you complained two days ago about people taking this site too serious.
March 30, 200719 yr Jorge Julio have hard time today game getting three out he our closer for marlins when we need three out to win a game can he do job I'd be more worried about my grammar skills if I were you. Damn lay off the guy, it's a post not an English Essay...you people sometimes, and you complained two days ago about people taking this site too serious. I'm sorry, I didn't know anything about this guy. You may have been over it before, but I wasn't there. Also, jesus christ, way to jump down my throat. My apologies, I seek your almighty forgiveness.
March 30, 200719 yr oh c'mon Was that not the overwhelmingly prevailing logic when we acquired him? That technically isn't even considered to be logic. And I'm not being facetious. Don't get snippy with me, I'm on your side. As a matter of fact, I think you me and Ramp were the only people 100% opposed from the outset. And just to nip this before it gets out of hand...... I will speak for others as well as myself who were NOT saying, "omg this is the worst f'n trade in the history of the Marlins." No one said Julio is the answer. What we (as in most of us) said was, all we gave up was a guy who was slowly tap dancing his way closer and closer to "what ever happened to that guy Petit". All this bulls*it about how it cost us "all this money" is exactly that..........bulls*it. 2 million is freakin peanuts in MLB in the year 2007. The reality is, we brought a guy in with some closing experience and got rid of a guy who was grooving big flat fastballs like everynight was extended batting practice. So with all due respect, you guys can stop getting ready to say "we told you so!" because I saw maybe 2 posters on the whole board say that Julio was the answer to our bullpen problems. Where to begin. 1) We've been told Julio's the answer. Beinfest has a penchant for a "veteran" closer. Like it or not, he's our guy, through thick and thin, until June. Maybe later. Barring the Mota factor (so-so and then injured) Beinfest has never replaced a closer quickly. Looper outright sucked, yet Urbina came in as a set up guy. Borowski was average and struggling at the end, yet Tank never got the shot. 2) 2 million to the Marlins is good enough for the 3rd highest contract on the team, don't you dare tell me that's inconsequential. We let productive players go over less than that, and passed on trading for players because of money, even when we'll be pocketing upwards of $30 million this season. 3) Petit has always had the knock of being a fly-ball pitcher, but that's beside the point. We've exhibited over and over that Petit was the most tradeable chip we had (or that we were willing to part with) and while I realize that I'm sure we tried offering him for Baldelli/Rios et al, the fact remains that we got less than equal value for Petit considering his age, past success and level reached relative to age. Is he an ace? No, but he was the chip we insisted on receiving from the Mets. I hate to go down this road, but we could have had Milledge instead of him if we were willing to absorb more of Delgado's deal. Basically, this trade sucks on multiple levels, both because of the opportunity cost of what Petit was, what we got in return for him, and how this basically means the team is "what you see is what you get" and what we got is an incredibly flawed player who is being handed a role of consequence and given way too long of a leash because of perceived past success (and I use that term lightly).
March 30, 200719 yr Hmm. How about we try Nolasco as closer after all? Edit: Let's try him there after giving Julio a fair shot.
March 31, 200719 yr Hmm. How about we try Nolasco as closer after all? Edit: Let's try him there after giving Julio a fair shot. No. If Julio totally loses his head which could very well happen, the job goes to Owens.
March 31, 200719 yr Owens has been so good that it is hard to really swallow the Julio trade. I guess he will be ok. He will gives us closing experience while Fredi is 100% comfortable someone else can do the job day in and day out. Maybe a one year rental
March 31, 200719 yr oh c'mon Was that not the overwhelmingly prevailing logic when we acquired him? That technically isn't even considered to be logic. And I'm not being facetious. Don't get snippy with me, I'm on your side. As a matter of fact, I think you me and Ramp were the only people 100% opposed from the outset. And just to nip this before it gets out of hand...... I will speak for others as well as myself who were NOT saying, "omg this is the worst f'n trade in the history of the Marlins." No one said Julio is the answer. What we (as in most of us) said was, all we gave up was a guy who was slowly tap dancing his way closer and closer to "what ever happened to that guy Petit". All this bulls*it about how it cost us "all this money" is exactly that..........bulls*it. 2 million is freakin peanuts in MLB in the year 2007. The reality is, we brought a guy in with some closing experience and got rid of a guy who was grooving big flat fastballs like everynight was extended batting practice. So with all due respect, you guys can stop getting ready to say "we told you so!" because I saw maybe 2 posters on the whole board say that Julio was the answer to our bullpen problems. Where to begin. 1) We've been told Julio's the answer. Beinfest has a penchant for a "veteran" closer. Like it or not, he's our guy, through thick and thin, until June. Maybe later. Barring the Mota factor (so-so and then injured) Beinfest has never replaced a closer quickly. Looper outright sucked, yet Urbina came in as a set up guy. Borowski was average and struggling at the end, yet Tank never got the shot. 2) 2 million to the Marlins is good enough for the 3rd highest contract on the team, don't you dare tell me that's inconsequential. We let productive players go over less than that, and passed on trading for players because of money, even when we'll be pocketing upwards of $30 million this season. 3) Petit has always had the knock of being a fly-ball pitcher, but that's beside the point. We've exhibited over and over that Petit was the most tradeable chip we had (or that we were willing to part with) and while I realize that I'm sure we tried offering him for Baldelli/Rios et al, the fact remains that we got less than equal value for Petit considering his age, past success and level reached relative to age. Is he an ace? No, but he was the chip we insisted on receiving from the Mets. I hate to go down this road, but we could have had Milledge instead of him if we were willing to absorb more of Delgado's deal. Basically, this trade sucks on multiple levels, both because of the opportunity cost of what Petit was, what we got in return for him, and how this basically means the team is "what you see is what you get" and what we got is an incredibly flawed player who is being handed a role of consequence and given way too long of a leash because of perceived past success (and I use that term lightly). Well......I respect your thoughts on this Swift but I still feel exactly the same as I did in the post that you responded to because I think you are overvalueing Petit's worth. For the record, I for one am not saying he is the answer but this is not the ridiculously bad trade that some are making it out to be.
March 31, 200719 yr "I'm fine; I'm working on all my pitches right now. When we start the season, it will be different." God willingly he masters the eephus. LOL.....I think Julio will be ok. I doubt there's more than 3 people here who know what the eephus is.
March 31, 200719 yr "I'm fine; I'm working on all my pitches right now. When we start the season, it will be different." God willingly he masters the eephus. LOL.....I think Julio will be ok. I doubt there's more than 3 people here who know what the eephus is. we we're up to 3 right now lol
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