August 26, 200719 yr I was just looking through the roster, trying to figure out what moves to expect this offseason (such as who we are going to resign, who we will let go, etc). This is the 25 man roster I've figured on, barring any trades. 1. Hanley Ramirez 2. Dan Uggla 3. Miguel Cabrera 4. Mike Jacobs 5. Josh Willingham 6. Jeremy Hermida 7. Alejandro De Aza 8. Free Agent Catcher or John Baker 9. Alfredo Amezaga 10. Matt Treanor 11. Cody Ross 12. Jason Wood or Aaron Boone 13. Todd Linden or Free Agent 14. Dontrelle Willis 15. Sergio Mitre 16. Scott Olsen 17. Rick VandenHurk 18. Ricky Nolasco 19. Kevin Gregg 20. Matt Lindstrom 21. Henry Owens 22. Taylor Tankersley 23. Carlos Martinez 24. Logan Kensing 25. Renyel Pinto This had me letting Lee Gardner, Justin Miller, Armando Benitez go (I just don't see any room for these guys, barring a trade). I wanted to leave a spot for Gaby Hernandez or Barone, but I'm not sure which arm to remove from the team. I know its early to do things like this, but it's always fun to think about next year
August 26, 200719 yr Waaaay too early but I'll play... Not sure if De Aza comes back... he hasn't shown much at this point.... I expect (barring trades) a 4 man race for CF in Amezaga, Reggie, Carroll and De Aza Not sure if Jake comes back... he's cheap and he's solid but is that good enough? I think Gaby has himself a rotation spot as well
August 26, 200719 yr Author Well, if you don't think the front office has enough faith in De Aza, do you see them going out and signing a vet to join that competition as well? What do you think we could realistically get for Jake if we did decide to trade him?
August 26, 200719 yr I think this organization has no choice but to go out and get a CF this offseason if they feel De Aza can't get it done. Two years is enough time to figure out what we have within our organization. However, CF is not my biggest concern . I'm more concerned about 1B. Jake is fine, but he's not reliable. I'd take his bat in the 6-8 spots, but I just don't trust him in the 5 hole. He's too streaky and k's too much. If the FO is looking to improve the team next year one thing they must realize is that we K too much, which leads to stranding many runners. Now, running Olivo out of town will certainly lower our k numbers next year. But how much can we really trust Baker/Hayes/Treanor offensively? We can hope that Treanor has figured it out offensively and can get the bulk of the PT next year. If he hits .250 next year I'd be thrilled because offense is not our problem, it's our strength. Pitching and defense is what has lost us 95% of our games this year. Our rotation must become stable. Willis must have an ERA in the 3.50 range. We have to hope that Vandenhurk matures quickly, same with Gaby. We must hope Olsen can at least lower his ERA to the 4.0-4.5 range. We need Mitre to become more stable over the course of the season. Anibal Sanchez will be the wild card. When he comes back he will need to pitch well for this team to dream of going anywhere. And then there's Volstad. The way he's finished off the season in AA gives you great hope for the future. The only concerns will be when will he be ready and to not rush him. Given the way the Marlins care about service time, if they call him up it means they think we can win (ignoring injuries). The bullpen will be solid with the return of Owens and Martinez (hopefully back with his stuff). No concerns here except for keeping them fresh.
August 26, 200719 yr I wonder how much Kenny Lofton would cost...He did get 6m last offseason but Texas really overpayed. He was only make a few mil up until that point, post-big contract anyway. And, when thinking about the fact that our AAA field is the minor league version of Coors Field, I saw a split I didn't like for John Baker: Home: .905 OPS Away: .727 OPS :| :| :| However, looking deeper into the numbers...the low humidity only really means more home runs and doubles right? It doesn't mean a higher average? Well, I mean, it does affect average in the sense that an out can become a double or a homerun, but... Home: HR every 35 ABs, 2B every 15 ABs Away: HR every 27.2 ABs, 2B every 19.43 ABs So although he does have a better 2b rate at home, he also has a lot better hr rate on the road. The main thing is singles Home: Single every 4.04 ABs Away: Single every 6.48 AB While 2 and half ABs might not sound like that big of a difference, but it's the difference of about .100 .baa difference, so yeah, it makes a big difference He also has an extremely high babip for his home average (.393) while only have a slightly-below-average one for his away average (.283). I like his eye, but really it's not much better then Treanor's, Baker has a little bit more pop but not much, and hitting for average...considering all the adjustments Treanor has made, well, I'm not expecting Treanor to continue to be a .300+ hitter but I also don't think he'll be a .200 hitter again. By this point I'm really only looking at it as a Treanor v.s. Hayes for the starting job.
August 26, 200719 yr I think this organization has no choice but to go out and get a CF this offseason if they feel De Aza can't get it done. Two years is enough time to figure out what we have within our organization. However, CF is not my biggest concern . I'm more concerned about 1B. Jake is fine, but he's not reliable. I'd take his bat in the 6-8 spots, but I just don't trust him in the 5 hole. He's too streaky and k's too much. If the FO is looking to improve the team next year one thing they must realize is that we K too much, which leads to stranding many runners. Now, running Olivo out of town will certainly lower our k numbers next year. But how much can we really trust Baker/Hayes/Treanor offensively? We can hope that Treanor has figured it out offensively and can get the bulk of the PT next year. If he hits .250 next year I'd be thrilled because offense is not our problem, it's our strength. Pitching and defense is what has lost us 95% of our games this year. Our rotation must become stable. Willis must have an ERA in the 3.50 range. We have to hope that Vandenhurk matures quickly, same with Gaby. We must hope Olsen can at least lower his ERA to the 4.0-4.5 range. We need Mitre to become more stable over the course of the season. Anibal Sanchez will be the wild card. When he comes back he will need to pitch well for this team to dream of going anywhere. And then there's Volstad. The way he's finished off the season in AA gives you great hope for the future. The only concerns will be when will he be ready and to not rush him. Given the way the Marlins care about service time, if they call him up it means they think we can win (ignoring injuries). The bullpen will be solid with the return of Owens and Martinez (hopefully back with his stuff). No concerns here except for keeping them fresh. With Owens track record in the minors, not only was I surprised that was a 27 or so year old rookie, but in no was was his success in his small sample size a fluke. His ERA in 7 minor league seasons is 2.89, 12.35 k/9. Im excited about having him back next year, of course depending on his shoulder problems.
August 26, 200719 yr Why let Justin Miller go? He's been our best reliever outside of Gregg. thats what i was thinking, if he leaves, he leaves on his own terms.
August 26, 200719 yr you know normally id say its too early to do this..but the way this year has gone the "wait till next year" slogan comes to mind. 2008 roster treanor baker jacobs uggla ramirez cabrera amezega boone/ conine(i hope for the right price he would come back for one more go around) wood willingham ross hermida free agent CF/ De Aza willis mitre olsen sanchez(if hes back healthy) nolasco miller lindstrom owens pinto tankersley gardner/ TBA depends on whether the front office brings him back gregg also left off but possible return based on price: BK kim Ill even go a step further and put up my hope for the batting order opening day 1. Ramirez 2. Hermida 3. Cabrera 4. Willingham 5. Uggla 6. Jacobs 7. Treanor 8. De Aza/ other CF 9. Willis The no. 8 spot could change depending on whos in CF
August 26, 200719 yr Author Is Justin Miller a FA after this year? If so, I can't see the front office giving him the raise he'd command. And if he has a terrible September to go with his terrible August, I'm not even sure I'd want him back, considering the other candidates for the bullpen next season. That money would much better be served going into a new catcher or centerfielder.
August 26, 200719 yr Anibal will almost certainly miss all of 2008. Not even close. He didn't have TJ. Anibal should be back by June or July, and that's if we're conservative with him.
August 26, 200719 yr Without checking I believe Gregg, Miller and Gardner are not free agents. Miller and Gardner are not FA's until the 2010-2012 range.
August 26, 200719 yr Waaaay too early but I'll play... Not sure if De Aza comes back... he hasn't shown much at this point.... I expect (barring trades) a 4 man race for CF in Amezaga, Reggie, Carroll and De Aza Not sure if Jake comes back... he's cheap and he's solid but is that good enough? I think Gaby has himself a rotation spot as well De Aza hasn't shown much? Seriously? He is way better than any crap we've thrown out there in CF, and while Pasta is a baller, he can't touch De Aza's hitting ability with a 10 ft pole....(oh, and he's not half bad defensively either, great instincts and speed.) Jake, I agree he K's too much, but what else we have? We are not going to sign anybody (we're the marlins, come on...and I doubt we trade pitching for hitting, judging by this season's health) We don't need any changes offensively, except cutting Olivo's scrub ass. Gaby I agree, he'll probably be in there in ST battling for a spot. As for the bullpen, we should remain pretty much the same, except Benitez needs to go and Gardy and Miller time need to stick. Then we just to stay healthy and stop killing our pitchers, and with some luck, we'll be fine.
August 26, 200719 yr Waaaay too early but I'll play... Not sure if De Aza comes back... he hasn't shown much at this point.... I expect (barring trades) a 4 man race for CF in Amezaga, Reggie, Carroll and De Aza Not sure if Jake comes back... he's cheap and he's solid but is that good enough? I think Gaby has himself a rotation spot as well De Aza hasn't shown much? Seriously? He is way better than any crap we've thrown out there in CF, and while Pasta is a baller, he can't touch De Aza's hitting ability with a 10 ft pole....(oh, and he's not half bad defensively either, great instincts and speed.) De Aza is hitting .263/.288/.364 bleh
August 26, 200719 yr Way too early. While that's deffinatly my mindset, 99 ABs a career doth not make. But... 3 walks in 108 PA's? What happened to being able to walk? He walked 10.6% of the time in the minors, now he's walking 2.8% of the time
August 27, 200719 yr why would Vanden Hurk be on team next year? Because he's a solid young arm with good upside who got his feet wet (nearly drowned if you wanna put it another way) and should be better next year
August 27, 200719 yr why would Vanden Hurk be on team next year? Because he's a solid young arm with good upside who got his feet wet (nearly drowned if you wanna put it another way) and should be better next year Would you predict Hurk and Gaby both in the rotation? Maybe Nolasco in the pen? For the second straight offseason I will be waiting for moves made to improve catcher and CF.
August 27, 200719 yr C- Treanor 1B- Jacobs 2B- Uggla 3B- Cabrera SS- Hanley LF- Willingham CF- DeAza RF- Linden Bench- Cody Ross, Alfredo Amezaga, Random Catcher X, Aaron Boone, Jeremy Hermida SP- Dontrelle Willis SP- Scott "the Shocker" Olsen SP- Ricky Nolasco SP- Sergio Mitre SP- Random Hasbeen LR- Renyel Pinto LR- Justin Miller MR- Carlos Martinez MR- Henry Owens MR- Taylor Tankersley SU- Matt Lindstrom CL- Kevin Gregg
August 27, 200719 yr I wish we had JJ and Anibal back but RVH and Gabby will be ok with me. Ricky Nolasco will be significant to the Marlins
August 27, 200719 yr C- Treanor 1B- Jacobs 2B- Uggla 3B- Cabrera SS- Hanley LF- Willingham CF- DeAza RF- Linden Bench- Cody Ross, Alfredo Amezaga, Random Catcher X, Aaron Boone, Jeremy Hermida SP- Dontrelle Willis SP- Scott "the Shocker" Olsen SP- Ricky Nolasco SP- Sergio Mitre SP- Random Hasbeen LR- Renyel Pinto LR- Justin Miller MR- Carlos Martinez MR- Henry Owens MR- Taylor Tankersley SU- Matt Lindstrom CL- Kevin Gregg You havent seen Hermida for the past 2 months
August 27, 200719 yr C- Treanor 1B- Jacobs 2B- Uggla 3B- Cabrera SS- Hanley LF- Willingham CF- DeAza RF- Linden Bench- Cody Ross, Alfredo Amezaga, Random Catcher X, Aaron Boone, Jeremy Hermida SP- Dontrelle Willis SP- Scott "the Shocker" Olsen SP- Ricky Nolasco SP- Sergio Mitre SP- Random Hasbeen LR- Renyel Pinto LR- Justin Miller MR- Carlos Martinez MR- Henry Owens MR- Taylor Tankersley SU- Matt Lindstrom CL- Kevin Gregg yaaaaaaaay
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