November 1, 200718 yr Isn't Pavano out for most of if not all of next season? No matter how much the Yankees want Cabrera, I can't envision us being a realistic match. Cano, Chamberlain and Kennedy would be the starting point for me, and even then I'd say that may not be enough. Seriously.
November 1, 200718 yr Kei Igawa is garbage and is owed $16mil over the next 4 season. And even paying Pavano $3mil would be retarded. If we trade Cabrera, he's not going to end up in the Bronx unless the deal in centered around Joba, Kennedy and Cano (add Hughes if you want to subtract Kennedy or Joba). And if Cabs is going to be moved, the rest of the 29 teams will all throw offers our way anyway and Uggla isn't a 3b option, imo I would rather a deal centered around Billingsly (love that k/bb and k/9 ratios last year that got alot better), Kemp and prospects from the Dodgers personally. I am not a Cano fan. He had solid numbers last year and played better as the year went on this year. Still how much of his numbers is due to the ballpark (being a lefty there helps compared to here), and playing with that lineup around him. I agree completely Igawa and Pavano are garbage. I would love to see the packages around the league that would be tossed out for Miggy per team. It is pretty interesting to consider what he is worth.
November 1, 200718 yr Something to remember is...just because Miguel is worth something doesn't mean another team will be willing to give it up. He might have more value to us keeping him then trading him, or atleast waiting until the last possible second to trade. Also, not that it really matters, but if that was the scenerio at hand, I'd rather trade Uggla then put him at third. For instance COL for Atkins...they have two 3b prospects that are ready, Atkins is hitting arbitration, and they get one of the top hitting 2b's making the min. COL is better off with Uggla+Stewart/Baker, both making the min,and we're better off with Cano+Atkins. But that's just dream talking anyway.
November 1, 200718 yr Gotta love a guy who starts off his post, "Listen friends." You guys are insane if you think the Yankees are going to give up Joba Chamberlain, Ian Kennedy, and Phil Hughes for anyone. That would be like the A's having given up Zito, Mulder, and Hudson for any hitter in the league when the three were Oakland's top prospects. Do you honestly think the Yankees are gonna give up three top tier, Cy Young stuff type pitchers a player who is an amazing hitter.....Miguel Cabrera is an amazing hitter, one of the best (not the best, that would be Albert Pujols), and nothing more. He is slow, overweight and a liability defensively. Let's get serious. And on top of that, you guys wanna throw in Robinson Cano, a proven all star, who has decent speed, decent power, makes great contact with the ball, and plays solid defense. It's like asking for Andre Johnson (proven young star), DaMeco Ryans, Omobi Okoye and Travis Johnson (3 top defensive young players) in return for Willie Parker (a great running back, one of the best, but not the best). You can't ask for the whole team in return for one great player. If the Yankees make that deal, they're left with Wang, Mussina, Pettite (who will most likely retire if they trade their whole staff away), Igawa, and then a guy like Jason Jennings. They would have traded away all their young pitchers. It would be like the Marlins having traded Josh Beckett, Brad Penny, A.J. Burnett and Luis Castillo in 2002 for Manny Ramirez. It's literally the same. Would you have done that? Do you people think we could have come anywhere near a championship in 2003 without Beckett and Penny? Why would the Yankees do that? No one hitter is worth 3 top of the line ace potential starters AND a 2 time all star 25 year old second baseman with the potential to be a 25-30 hr/100 rbi/above .300 hitter every year. I suggested a realistic trade. Not a video game trade. You can't trade the entire Chicago Bulls team for Kobe Bryant...If you do, what do the Bulls become? At the most, an 8 seed, 1st round elimination team. Oh and by the way, I LOOVE how we write off Kei Igawa after one year. We just wrote off a 27 year old pitcher with a lot of talent based a rookie season. Good call there. Kinda like the guy who would have written John Smoltz off for going 2-7 with an ERA of almost 6.00 in his first season, or Johan Santana who went 2-3 with an ERA upwards of 7.00 in his rookie year. Igawa is due 4 million a year for the next 4 seasons. The Yankees would pay 2 million a year for Igawa, and 7 million for the final year of Pavano's deal. Those 2 salaries combined for the Marlins would be 5 million, while Cabrera would be making around 11 million this year. Cano won't make that much, and Chamberlain has a rookie deal, and Betemit makes 405,000 while Bruney also has a rookie deal. Ohlendorf is a potential number 3 or 4 guy in the rotation and also has a rookie deal, so combine each player in this equation and they still don't make more than Miggy will this year. I'm sorry, use your heads people. We all love what Miguel Cabrera has done, but without a stadium in place, nor a deal on the verge of being done, we should sell while his stock is at its peak, and get a good set of players. 2 major league ready high tier prospects, a young perennial all star, a young pitcher with a lot of potential, and a throw in (Pavano). Remember how Mike Lowell was a throw-in in the Beckett deal? Look how that worked out. If the Yankees deal for Cabrera I expect a lot of angry fans on this forum when they see that the Marlins didn't get the entire Yankees starting rotation, Cano, and Melky Cabrera...Hey you might as well throw Matsui in there, and Jeter. Why not? Since we are asking for ridiculously unrealistic amounts of major league talent for one player. Good luck with that. Here is my final and most realistic trade offer I think the Yankees will be willing to make. Miguel Cabrera Ross Wolf for Robinson Cano Chase Wright Joba Chamberlain Kei Igawa (2 of his 4 million dollar salary per year paid by NY) Brian Bruney Carl Pavano (7 million of his 10 million dollar salary paid by NY) Wilson Betemit Cash considerations Seriously, that deal is not only realistic, but so solid for the Marlins. We get 5 pitchers (4 of which are under 28 years old), 2 of which are top prospects, 1 is a hard throwing solid reliever, 1 has potential and talent to be a decent starter in the NL, and 1 is a filler who had great success in his contract year with us. We also get 2 infielders, 1 of which is a top 3 best 2B in the majors right now, and the other is a productive hitter with power and a decent glove. Obviously a young, solid player like Wilson Betemit got overlooked in my last trade proposal. P.S. Allen Iverson got dealt last year for garbage, and he was the top scorer in the NBA at that point.
November 1, 200718 yr Gotta love a guy who starts off his post, "Listen friends." You guys are insane if you think the Yankees are going to give up Joba Chamberlain, Ian Kennedy, and Phil Hughes for anyone. That would be like the A's having given up Zito, Mulder, and Hudson for any hitter in the league when the three were Oakland's top prospects. Do you honestly think the Yankees are gonna give up three top tier, Cy Young stuff type pitchers a player who is an amazing hitter.....Miguel Cabrera is an amazing hitter, one of the best (not the best, that would be Albert Pujols), and nothing more. He is slow, overweight and a liability defensively. Let's get serious. And on top of that, you guys wanna throw in Robinson Cano, a proven all star, who has decent speed, decent power, makes great contact with the ball, and plays solid defense. It's like asking for Andre Johnson (proven young star), DaMeco Ryans, Omobi Okoye and Travis Johnson (3 top defensive young players) in return for Willie Parker (a great running back, one of the best, but not the best). You can't ask for the whole team in return for one great player. If the Yankees make that deal, they're left with Wang, Mussina, Pettite (who will most likely retire if they trade their whole staff away), Igawa, and then a guy like Jason Jennings. They would have traded away all their young pitchers. It would be like the Marlins having traded Josh Beckett, Brad Penny, A.J. Burnett and Luis Castillo in 2002 for Manny Ramirez. It's literally the same. Would you have done that? Do you people think we could have come anywhere near a championship in 2003 without Beckett and Penny? Why would the Yankees do that? No one hitter is worth 3 top of the line ace potential starters AND a 2 time all star 25 year old second baseman with the potential to be a 25-30 hr/100 rbi/above .300 hitter every year. I suggested a realistic trade. Not a video game trade. You can't trade the entire Chicago Bulls team for Kobe Bryant...If you do, what do the Bulls become? At the most, an 8 seed, 1st round elimination team. Oh and by the way, I LOOVE how we write off Kei Igawa after one year. We just wrote off a 27 year old pitcher with a lot of talent based a rookie season. Good call there. Kinda like the guy who would have written John Smoltz off for going 2-7 with an ERA of almost 6.00 in his first season, or Johan Santana who went 2-3 with an ERA upwards of 7.00 in his rookie year. Igawa is due 4 million a year for the next 4 seasons. The Yankees would pay 2 million a year for Igawa, and 7 million for the final year of Pavano's deal. Those 2 salaries combined for the Marlins would be 5 million, while Cabrera would be making around 11 million this year. Cano won't make that much, and Chamberlain has a rookie deal, and Betemit makes 405,000 while Bruney also has a rookie deal. Ohlendorf is a potential number 3 or 4 guy in the rotation and also has a rookie deal, so combine each player in this equation and they still don't make more than Miggy will this year. I'm sorry, use your heads people. We all love what Miguel Cabrera has done, but without a stadium in place, nor a deal on the verge of being done, we should sell while his stock is at its peak, and get a good set of players. 2 major league ready high tier prospects, a young perennial all star, a young pitcher with a lot of potential, and a throw in (Pavano). Remember how Mike Lowell was a throw-in in the Beckett deal? Look how that worked out. If the Yankees deal for Cabrera I expect a lot of angry fans on this forum when they see that the Marlins didn't get the entire Yankees starting rotation, Cano, and Melky Cabrera...Hey you might as well throw Matsui in there, and Jeter. Why not? Since we are asking for ridiculously unrealistic amounts of major league talent for one player. Good luck with that. Here is my final and most realistic trade offer I think the Yankees will be willing to make. Miguel Cabrera Ross Wolf for Robinson Cano Chase Wright Joba Chamberlain Kei Igawa (2 of his 4 million dollar salary per year paid by NY) Brian Bruney Carl Pavano (7 million of his 10 million dollar salary paid by NY) Wilson Betemit Cash considerations Seriously, that deal is not only realistic, but so solid for the Marlins. We get 5 pitchers (4 of which are under 28 years old), 2 of which are top prospects, 1 is a hard throwing solid reliever, 1 has potential and talent to be a decent starter in the NL, and 1 is a filler who had great success in his contract year with us. We also get 2 infielders, 1 of which is a top 3 best 2B in the majors right now, and the other is a productive hitter with power and a decent glove. Obviously a young, solid player like Wilson Betemit got overlooked in my last trade proposal. P.S. Allen Iverson got dealt last year for garbage, and he was the top scorer in the NBA at that point. ps iverson wasnt a 24 year old superstar that is on the career path of the homerun king and is one of the top 5 hitters in teh game. And that offer is horrible
November 1, 200718 yr Kei Igawa is garbage and is owed $16mil over the next 4 season. And even paying Pavano $3mil would be retarded. If we trade Cabrera, he's not going to end up in the Bronx unless the deal in centered around Joba, Kennedy and Cano (add Hughes if you want to subtract Kennedy or Joba). And if Cabs is going to be moved, the rest of the 29 teams will all throw offers our way anyway and Uggla isn't a 3b option, imo I would rather a deal centered around Billingsly (love that k/bb and k/9 ratios last year that got alot better), Kemp and prospects from the Dodgers personally. I am not a Cano fan. He had solid numbers last year and played better as the year went on this year. Still how much of his numbers is due to the ballpark (being a lefty there helps compared to here), and playing with that lineup around him. I agree completely Igawa and Pavano are garbage. I would love to see the packages around the league that would be tossed out for Miggy per team. It is pretty interesting to consider what he is worth. I like the way YOU think. I would try to deal Cabrera, Jacobs and a minor league pitcher to the Dodgers for Billingsly, Loney, Broxton, LaRoche, Ethier and another prospect like James McDonald or Jonathan Meloan. I think that's more realistic. or to the Giants for Matt Cain, Noah Lowry Randy Winn, and Kevin Frandsen or Travis Ishikawa. Maybe to the Red Sox for Coco Crisp, Jed Lowrie, Kevin Youkilis, Jon Lester, and Brandon Moss. I even heard someone say Cabrera for Johan Santana.
November 1, 200718 yr I seriously hope we don't deal Miguel, but if we do some names I like in the Yankees system. Of course the 3 pitchers Kennedy, Hughes and Joba. Jose Tabata is going to be a stud. A guy no one's mentioned is Brett Gardner, has a great eye at the plate, blazing speed (stole 39 bases in 46 attempts in the minors this season), and plays a good CF, also not too far off. Jesus Montero, a catching prospect is a long way off, but a lot of potential there. I'd want at least Joba, Gardner, Kennedy, and maybe Wilson Betemit (too fill the gap at 3rd base until Dominguez is read, probably a couple of years) if we're going to trade Cabrera. I don't think the Yanks would do that, but you never know.
November 1, 200718 yr Peter Gammons reiterated on this today in his ESPN blog. Cabrera deal is a possibility posted: Thursday, November 1, 2007 | Print Entry filed under: Florida Marlins While the free-agent markets for Alex Rodriguez and Mike Lowell promise to spin upward and onward, industry sources say that clubs have been notified there is another major bat and third baseman on the market -- Florida's Miguel Cabrera. At the age of 20, Cabrera hit three homers in the NLCS against the Cubs in 2003; then in the World Series, he was dusted by Roger Clemens, got up and drove a home run to right-center field. With their immediate economic situation unsettled because of uncertainty surrounding a new stadium, the Marlins have no choice but to market the 24-year old superstar, who is two years from free agency and will be on the free-agent market before owner Jefferey Loria can move into that ballpark. According to sources, the asking price will be enormously steep, but why not? While there have been some defensive issues for Cabrera at third base, he ranks as one of the most powerful and productive infield corner bats in the game. Trading for a 24-year-old middle- of-the-order third/first baseman should bring Florida at least three significant young players. Remember, when the Marlins had to trade Josh Beckett under similar circumstances, they targeted and received Hanley Ramirez, who in two years has blossomed into one of the game's premier stars. The Yankees, who may lose Rodriguez, will certainly be in, but they would have to include Phil Hughes, which is unlikely. The Red Sox, who may lose Lowell, will likely be in as well, but they will have to start with right-hander Clay Buchholz. The Dodgers, who need a middle-of-the-order bat, would seem to have the most to offer with left-hander Clayton Kershaw, left-hander Scott Elbert, right-handed reliever Jonathan Meloan and third baseman Andy LaRoche. The Angels also have a cornucopia of prospects, if they are not in the A-Rod sweepstakes.
November 1, 200718 yr Kei Igawa is garbage and is owed $16mil over the next 4 season. And even paying Pavano $3mil would be retarded. If we trade Cabrera, he's not going to end up in the Bronx unless the deal in centered around Joba, Kennedy and Cano (add Hughes if you want to subtract Kennedy or Joba). And if Cabs is going to be moved, the rest of the 29 teams will all throw offers our way anyway and Uggla isn't a 3b option, imo I would rather a deal centered around Billingsly (love that k/bb and k/9 ratios last year that got alot better), Kemp and prospects from the Dodgers personally. I am not a Cano fan. He had solid numbers last year and played better as the year went on this year. Still how much of his numbers is due to the ballpark (being a lefty there helps compared to here), and playing with that lineup around him. I agree completely Igawa and Pavano are garbage. I would love to see the packages around the league that would be tossed out for Miggy per team. It is pretty interesting to consider what he is worth. I like the way YOU think. I would try to deal Cabrera, Jacobs and a minor league pitcher to the Dodgers for Billingsly, Loney, Broxton, LaRoche, Ethier and another prospect like James McDonald or Jonathan Meloan. I think that's more realistic. or to the Giants for Matt Cain, Noah Lowry Randy Winn, and Kevin Frandsen or Travis Ishikawa. Any deal involving the Dodgers will have to include Kemp. Kemp, Kershaw and Laroche works for me. The Giants would have to start with Tim Lincecum, who IMO is the best young SP in the game.
November 1, 200718 yr Kei Igawa is garbage and is owed $16mil over the next 4 season. And even paying Pavano $3mil would be retarded. If we trade Cabrera, he's not going to end up in the Bronx unless the deal in centered around Joba, Kennedy and Cano (add Hughes if you want to subtract Kennedy or Joba). And if Cabs is going to be moved, the rest of the 29 teams will all throw offers our way anyway and Uggla isn't a 3b option, imo I would rather a deal centered around Billingsly (love that k/bb and k/9 ratios last year that got alot better), Kemp and prospects from the Dodgers personally. I am not a Cano fan. He had solid numbers last year and played better as the year went on this year. Still how much of his numbers is due to the ballpark (being a lefty there helps compared to here), and playing with that lineup around him. I agree completely Igawa and Pavano are garbage. I would love to see the packages around the league that would be tossed out for Miggy per team. It is pretty interesting to consider what he is worth. I like the way YOU think. I would try to deal Cabrera, Jacobs and a minor league pitcher to the Dodgers for Billingsly, Loney, Broxton, LaRoche, Ethier and another prospect like James McDonald or Jonathan Meloan. I think that's more realistic. or to the Giants for Matt Cain, Noah Lowry Randy Winn, and Kevin Frandsen or Travis Ishikawa. Any deal involving the Dodgers will have to include Kemp. Kemp, Kershaw and Laroche works for me. The Giants would have to start with Tim Lincecum, who IMO is the best young SP in the game. having to get to choose between Lincecum and Kershaw would be pretty nice for a choice to make imo. But yeah It has to be around Kemp he is the future start CF we crave.
November 1, 200718 yr Gotta love a guy who starts off his post, "Listen friends." You guys are insane if you think the Yankees are going to give up Joba Chamberlain, Ian Kennedy, and Phil Hughes for anyone. That would be like the A's having given up Zito, Mulder, and Hudson for any hitter in the league when the three were Oakland's top prospects. Do you honestly think the Yankees are gonna give up three top tier, Cy Young stuff type pitchers a player who is an amazing hitter.....Miguel Cabrera is an amazing hitter, one of the best (not the best, that would be Albert Pujols), and nothing more. He is slow, overweight and a liability defensively. Let's get serious. And on top of that, you guys wanna throw in Robinson Cano, a proven all star, who has decent speed, decent power, makes great contact with the ball, and plays solid defense. It's like asking for Andre Johnson (proven young star), DaMeco Ryans, Omobi Okoye and Travis Johnson (3 top defensive young players) in return for Willie Parker (a great running back, one of the best, but not the best). You can't ask for the whole team in return for one great player. If the Yankees make that deal, they're left with Wang, Mussina, Pettite (who will most likely retire if they trade their whole staff away), Igawa, and then a guy like Jason Jennings. They would have traded away all their young pitchers. It would be like the Marlins having traded Josh Beckett, Brad Penny, A.J. Burnett and Luis Castillo in 2002 for Manny Ramirez. It's literally the same. Would you have done that? Do you people think we could have come anywhere near a championship in 2003 without Beckett and Penny? Why would the Yankees do that? No one hitter is worth 3 top of the line ace potential starters AND a 2 time all star 25 year old second baseman with the potential to be a 25-30 hr/100 rbi/above .300 hitter every year. I suggested a realistic trade. Not a video game trade. You can't trade the entire Chicago Bulls team for Kobe Bryant...If you do, what do the Bulls become? At the most, an 8 seed, 1st round elimination team. Oh and by the way, I LOOVE how we write off Kei Igawa after one year. We just wrote off a 27 year old pitcher with a lot of talent based a rookie season. Good call there. Kinda like the guy who would have written John Smoltz off for going 2-7 with an ERA of almost 6.00 in his first season, or Johan Santana who went 2-3 with an ERA upwards of 7.00 in his rookie year. Igawa is due 4 million a year for the next 4 seasons. The Yankees would pay 2 million a year for Igawa, and 7 million for the final year of Pavano's deal. Those 2 salaries combined for the Marlins would be 5 million, while Cabrera would be making around 11 million this year. Cano won't make that much, and Chamberlain has a rookie deal, and Betemit makes 405,000 while Bruney also has a rookie deal. Ohlendorf is a potential number 3 or 4 guy in the rotation and also has a rookie deal, so combine each player in this equation and they still don't make more than Miggy will this year. I'm sorry, use your heads people. We all love what Miguel Cabrera has done, but without a stadium in place, nor a deal on the verge of being done, we should sell while his stock is at its peak, and get a good set of players. 2 major league ready high tier prospects, a young perennial all star, a young pitcher with a lot of potential, and a throw in (Pavano). Remember how Mike Lowell was a throw-in in the Beckett deal? Look how that worked out. If the Yankees deal for Cabrera I expect a lot of angry fans on this forum when they see that the Marlins didn't get the entire Yankees starting rotation, Cano, and Melky Cabrera...Hey you might as well throw Matsui in there, and Jeter. Why not? Since we are asking for ridiculously unrealistic amounts of major league talent for one player. Good luck with that. Here is my final and most realistic trade offer I think the Yankees will be willing to make. Miguel Cabrera Ross Wolf for Robinson Cano Chase Wright Joba Chamberlain Kei Igawa (2 of his 4 million dollar salary per year paid by NY) Brian Bruney Carl Pavano (7 million of his 10 million dollar salary paid by NY) Wilson Betemit Cash considerations Seriously, that deal is not only realistic, but so solid for the Marlins. We get 5 pitchers (4 of which are under 28 years old), 2 of which are top prospects, 1 is a hard throwing solid reliever, 1 has potential and talent to be a decent starter in the NL, and 1 is a filler who had great success in his contract year with us. We also get 2 infielders, 1 of which is a top 3 best 2B in the majors right now, and the other is a productive hitter with power and a decent glove. Obviously a young, solid player like Wilson Betemit got overlooked in my last trade proposal. P.S. Allen Iverson got dealt last year for garbage, and he was the top scorer in the NBA at that point. ps iverson wasnt a 24 year old superstar that is on the career path of the homerun king and is one of the top 5 hitters in teh game. And that offer is horrible why would we want igawa who isnt worth his weight and pavano whos now become a broken down pitcher? it doesnt matter how much of the salary the yankees pick up
November 1, 200718 yr Gotta love a guy who starts off his post, "Listen friends." You guys are insane if you think the Yankees are going to give up Joba Chamberlain, Ian Kennedy, and Phil Hughes for anyone. That would be like the A's having given up Zito, Mulder, and Hudson for any hitter in the league when the three were Oakland's top prospects. Do you honestly think the Yankees are gonna give up three top tier, Cy Young stuff type pitchers a player who is an amazing hitter.....Miguel Cabrera is an amazing hitter, one of the best (not the best, that would be Albert Pujols), and nothing more. He is slow, overweight and a liability defensively. Let's get serious. And on top of that, you guys wanna throw in Robinson Cano, a proven all star, who has decent speed, decent power, makes great contact with the ball, and plays solid defense. It's like asking for Andre Johnson (proven young star), DaMeco Ryans, Omobi Okoye and Travis Johnson (3 top defensive young players) in return for Willie Parker (a great running back, one of the best, but not the best). You can't ask for the whole team in return for one great player. If the Yankees make that deal, they're left with Wang, Mussina, Pettite (who will most likely retire if they trade their whole staff away), Igawa, and then a guy like Jason Jennings. They would have traded away all their young pitchers. It would be like the Marlins having traded Josh Beckett, Brad Penny, A.J. Burnett and Luis Castillo in 2002 for Manny Ramirez. It's literally the same. Would you have done that? Do you people think we could have come anywhere near a championship in 2003 without Beckett and Penny? Why would the Yankees do that? No one hitter is worth 3 top of the line ace potential starters AND a 2 time all star 25 year old second baseman with the potential to be a 25-30 hr/100 rbi/above .300 hitter every year. I suggested a realistic trade. Not a video game trade. You can't trade the entire Chicago Bulls team for Kobe Bryant...If you do, what do the Bulls become? At the most, an 8 seed, 1st round elimination team. Oh and by the way, I LOOVE how we write off Kei Igawa after one year. We just wrote off a 27 year old pitcher with a lot of talent based a rookie season. Good call there. Kinda like the guy who would have written John Smoltz off for going 2-7 with an ERA of almost 6.00 in his first season, or Johan Santana who went 2-3 with an ERA upwards of 7.00 in his rookie year. Igawa is due 4 million a year for the next 4 seasons. The Yankees would pay 2 million a year for Igawa, and 7 million for the final year of Pavano's deal. Those 2 salaries combined for the Marlins would be 5 million, while Cabrera would be making around 11 million this year. Cano won't make that much, and Chamberlain has a rookie deal, and Betemit makes 405,000 while Bruney also has a rookie deal. Ohlendorf is a potential number 3 or 4 guy in the rotation and also has a rookie deal, so combine each player in this equation and they still don't make more than Miggy will this year. I'm sorry, use your heads people. We all love what Miguel Cabrera has done, but without a stadium in place, nor a deal on the verge of being done, we should sell while his stock is at its peak, and get a good set of players. 2 major league ready high tier prospects, a young perennial all star, a young pitcher with a lot of potential, and a throw in (Pavano). Remember how Mike Lowell was a throw-in in the Beckett deal? Look how that worked out. If the Yankees deal for Cabrera I expect a lot of angry fans on this forum when they see that the Marlins didn't get the entire Yankees starting rotation, Cano, and Melky Cabrera...Hey you might as well throw Matsui in there, and Jeter. Why not? Since we are asking for ridiculously unrealistic amounts of major league talent for one player. Good luck with that. Here is my final and most realistic trade offer I think the Yankees will be willing to make. Miguel Cabrera Ross Wolf for Robinson Cano Chase Wright Joba Chamberlain Kei Igawa (2 of his 4 million dollar salary per year paid by NY) Brian Bruney Carl Pavano (7 million of his 10 million dollar salary paid by NY) Wilson Betemit Cash considerations Seriously, that deal is not only realistic, but so solid for the Marlins. We get 5 pitchers (4 of which are under 28 years old), 2 of which are top prospects, 1 is a hard throwing solid reliever, 1 has potential and talent to be a decent starter in the NL, and 1 is a filler who had great success in his contract year with us. We also get 2 infielders, 1 of which is a top 3 best 2B in the majors right now, and the other is a productive hitter with power and a decent glove. Obviously a young, solid player like Wilson Betemit got overlooked in my last trade proposal. P.S. Allen Iverson got dealt last year for garbage, and he was the top scorer in the NBA at that point. ps iverson wasnt a 24 year old superstar that is on the career path of the homerun king and is one of the top 5 hitters in teh game. And that offer is horrible Please tell me how that offer is horrible. What is horrible about getting Chase Wright, Joba Chamberlain, Robinson Cano, Wilson Betemit, a pitcher who has potential like Igawa and 2 fillers? But yeah...no you guys are right, the Yankees should trade Chamberlain, Hughes, Kennedy and Cano or Cabrera for one hitter who may be one of the best hitters in the game, who in 2003 weighed 185 and now weighs upwards around 260. This is from ESPN the magazine writer Jorge Arangure, "Florida fans from Hialeah to Homestead are wondering if he's eating his way out of an all-time great career. When Cabrera brushed off a knockdown pitch and stunned Yankees ace Roger Clemens with a first-inning homer in Game 4 of the 2003 World Series, the 20-year-old Marlin was listed at 6'2", 185 pounds. When he reported to camp this spring, according to credible sources, he weighed 260. His range and agility are clearly compromised; his 13 errors ties him for the lead among major league third basemen." This was in July. In the article by Peter Gammons someone else posted, it talks about Phil Hughes inclusion in the deal being unlikely. Who is our best position player? Hanley Ramirez, not MIguel Cabrera. Hanley was much more productive this year, with only 5 less HR than Cabrera, 49 more SB, 34 more R, 24 more H, 10 more 2B, a higher fielding percentage...Hanley is our top guy, and may in fact be the most productive overall offensive player in baseball. He is the franchise and it took Josh Beckett, Mota, and Mike Lowell to get him, an injury prone prospect like Anibal, and 2 other prospects. It took a top of the line starter and one of the best defensive infielder of the last 30 years who other than one bad year, had been the most productive hitter in Marlins history at that time. We had to trade a top of the line starter, an ace and 2 other above average talented players in Lowell and Mota for 2 prospects. Tabata, Chamberlain, Cano, Gardner, Betemit and Chase Wright is much more realistic. Hell I would say that Wang, Chamberlain, and Cano is more realistic than asking for Hughes, Chamberlain, Kennedy and Cano. Here's something that was posted on Rotoworld concerning Cabrera being dealt. "With the Yankees and Red Sox both in need of a third baseman and the Dodgers, Angels, Phillies and Giants all willing to consider upgrades, the Marlins may figure this is their best chance for getting maximum value for Cabrera, who is two years away from free agency. The problem is that, with his weight up, Cabrera's defense has gone from mediocre to truly bad, and he'd make more sense as a first baseman right now. Both the Yankees and Red Sox have possibilities there as well, but they might not be willing to surrender as much talent to fill a hole that is easier plugged."
November 1, 200718 yr Gotta love a guy who starts off his post, "Listen friends." You guys are insane if you think the Yankees are going to give up Joba Chamberlain, Ian Kennedy, and Phil Hughes for anyone. That would be like the A's having given up Zito, Mulder, and Hudson for any hitter in the league when the three were Oakland's top prospects. Do you honestly think the Yankees are gonna give up three top tier, Cy Young stuff type pitchers a player who is an amazing hitter.....Miguel Cabrera is an amazing hitter, one of the best (not the best, that would be Albert Pujols), and nothing more. He is slow, overweight and a liability defensively. Let's get serious. And on top of that, you guys wanna throw in Robinson Cano, a proven all star, who has decent speed, decent power, makes great contact with the ball, and plays solid defense. It's like asking for Andre Johnson (proven young star), DaMeco Ryans, Omobi Okoye and Travis Johnson (3 top defensive young players) in return for Willie Parker (a great running back, one of the best, but not the best). You can't ask for the whole team in return for one great player. If the Yankees make that deal, they're left with Wang, Mussina, Pettite (who will most likely retire if they trade their whole staff away), Igawa, and then a guy like Jason Jennings. They would have traded away all their young pitchers. It would be like the Marlins having traded Josh Beckett, Brad Penny, A.J. Burnett and Luis Castillo in 2002 for Manny Ramirez. It's literally the same. Would you have done that? Do you people think we could have come anywhere near a championship in 2003 without Beckett and Penny? Why would the Yankees do that? No one hitter is worth 3 top of the line ace potential starters AND a 2 time all star 25 year old second baseman with the potential to be a 25-30 hr/100 rbi/above .300 hitter every year. I suggested a realistic trade. Not a video game trade. You can't trade the entire Chicago Bulls team for Kobe Bryant...If you do, what do the Bulls become? At the most, an 8 seed, 1st round elimination team. Oh and by the way, I LOOVE how we write off Kei Igawa after one year. We just wrote off a 27 year old pitcher with a lot of talent based a rookie season. Good call there. Kinda like the guy who would have written John Smoltz off for going 2-7 with an ERA of almost 6.00 in his first season, or Johan Santana who went 2-3 with an ERA upwards of 7.00 in his rookie year. Igawa is due 4 million a year for the next 4 seasons. The Yankees would pay 2 million a year for Igawa, and 7 million for the final year of Pavano's deal. Those 2 salaries combined for the Marlins would be 5 million, while Cabrera would be making around 11 million this year. Cano won't make that much, and Chamberlain has a rookie deal, and Betemit makes 405,000 while Bruney also has a rookie deal. Ohlendorf is a potential number 3 or 4 guy in the rotation and also has a rookie deal, so combine each player in this equation and they still don't make more than Miggy will this year. I'm sorry, use your heads people. We all love what Miguel Cabrera has done, but without a stadium in place, nor a deal on the verge of being done, we should sell while his stock is at its peak, and get a good set of players. 2 major league ready high tier prospects, a young perennial all star, a young pitcher with a lot of potential, and a throw in (Pavano). Remember how Mike Lowell was a throw-in in the Beckett deal? Look how that worked out. If the Yankees deal for Cabrera I expect a lot of angry fans on this forum when they see that the Marlins didn't get the entire Yankees starting rotation, Cano, and Melky Cabrera...Hey you might as well throw Matsui in there, and Jeter. Why not? Since we are asking for ridiculously unrealistic amounts of major league talent for one player. Good luck with that. Here is my final and most realistic trade offer I think the Yankees will be willing to make. Miguel Cabrera Ross Wolf for Robinson Cano Chase Wright Joba Chamberlain Kei Igawa (2 of his 4 million dollar salary per year paid by NY) Brian Bruney Carl Pavano (7 million of his 10 million dollar salary paid by NY) Wilson Betemit Cash considerations Seriously, that deal is not only realistic, but so solid for the Marlins. We get 5 pitchers (4 of which are under 28 years old), 2 of which are top prospects, 1 is a hard throwing solid reliever, 1 has potential and talent to be a decent starter in the NL, and 1 is a filler who had great success in his contract year with us. We also get 2 infielders, 1 of which is a top 3 best 2B in the majors right now, and the other is a productive hitter with power and a decent glove. Obviously a young, solid player like Wilson Betemit got overlooked in my last trade proposal. P.S. Allen Iverson got dealt last year for garbage, and he was the top scorer in the NBA at that point. ps iverson wasnt a 24 year old superstar that is on the career path of the homerun king and is one of the top 5 hitters in teh game. And that offer is horrible Please tell me how that offer is horrible. What is horrible about getting Chase Wright, Joba Chamberlain, Robinson Cano, Wilson Betemit, a pitcher who has potential like Igawa and 2 fillers? But yeah...no you guys are right, the Yankees should trade Chamberlain, Hughes, Kennedy and Cano or Cabrera for one hitter who may be one of the best hitters in the game, who in 2003 weighed 185 and now weighs upwards around 260. This is from ESPN the magazine writer Jorge Arangure, "Florida fans from Hialeah to Homestead are wondering if he's eating his way out of an all-time great career. When Cabrera brushed off a knockdown pitch and stunned Yankees ace Roger Clemens with a first-inning homer in Game 4 of the 2003 World Series, the 20-year-old Marlin was listed at 6'2", 185 pounds. When he reported to camp this spring, according to credible sources, he weighed 260. His range and agility are clearly compromised; his 13 errors ties him for the lead among major league third basemen." This was in July. In the article by Peter Gammons someone else posted, it talks about Phil Hughes inclusion in the deal being unlikely. Who is our best position player? Hanley Ramirez, not MIguel Cabrera. Hanley was much more productive this year, with only 5 less HR than Cabrera, 49 more SB, 34 more R, 24 more H, 10 more 2B, a higher fielding percentage...Hanley is our top guy, and may in fact be the most productive overall offensive player in baseball. He is the franchise and it took Josh Beckett, Mota, and Mike Lowell to get him, an injury prone prospect like Anibal, and 2 other prospects. It took a top of the line starter and one of the best defensive infielder of the last 30 years who other than one bad year, had been the most productive hitter in Marlins history at that time. We had to trade a top of the line starter, an ace and 2 other above average talented players in Lowell and Mota for 2 prospects. Tabata, Chamberlain, Cano, Gardner, Betemit and Chase Wright is much more realistic. Hell I would say that Wang, Chamberlain, and Cano is more realistic than asking for Hughes, Chamberlain, Kennedy and Cano. Here's something that was posted on Rotoworld concerning Cabrera being dealt. "With the Yankees and Red Sox both in need of a third baseman and the Dodgers, Angels, Phillies and Giants all willing to consider upgrades, the Marlins may figure this is their best chance for getting maximum value for Cabrera, who is two years away from free agency. The problem is that, with his weight up, Cabrera's defense has gone from mediocre to truly bad, and he'd make more sense as a first baseman right now. Both the Yankees and Red Sox have possibilities there as well, but they might not be willing to surrender as much talent to fill a hole that is easier plugged." You know insulting a player that you want to trade for makes as much sense as putting a square peg in a round hole correct? Miguel lost most of the weight, Hanley is a nice player but miguel is the force behind the team. He is a top 5 hitter in baseball at his age and has the potential to be a top 10 all time man at the plate. Please go to baseball.reference.com and look up his comparisons list nobody in that offered trade benefits us enough to give up that type of talent. Again I would take a Kempt, Kershaw, Billingsley trade over that group in a heartbeat. Robinson Cano ? Player I think is a product of the lineup and those around him Joba Chamberlain ? Only good piece in the trade imo Chase Wright ? over aged prospect that preformed alright in AA baseball has potential to be a 4-5 type Arm not a game changer at all. Kei Igawa - A negative in the trade, he was considered a 4-5 when signed and preformed far worse Brian Bruney ? nothing more then a 5 career era ranged reliever we have far better then him Carl Pavano ? Wont be playing next year and FA after that anyways lol So pretty much we create a whole at 3rd base, we don?t fill Catcher or CF, we get back 1 pitcher and a 2B that most likely produces about what we have. We pay the contract of a guy that isn?t going to pitch for us, get another Horrible Contract pitcher that will never be useful and get 2 possible MR?s that are projected as nothing special Sorry but a HoF 24 year old player deserves more back
November 1, 200718 yr Please go to baseball.reference.com and look up his comparisons list nobody in that offered trade benefits us enough to give up that type of talent. Some of you view those comparisons like it's the bible or somethign like that. I love baseball-refernce but I think those comparisons are the one useless portion of their website.
November 1, 200718 yr Please tell me how that offer is horrible. What is horrible about getting Chase Wright, Joba Chamberlain, Robinson Cano, Wilson Betemit, a pitcher who has potential like Igawa and 2 fillers? But yeah...no you guys are right, the Yankees should trade Chamberlain, Hughes, Kennedy and Cano or Cabrera for one hitter who may be one of the best hitters in the game, who in 2003 weighed 185 and now weighs upwards around 260. This is from ESPN the magazine writer Jorge Arangure, "Florida fans from Hialeah to Homestead are wondering if he's eating his way out of an all-time great career. When Cabrera brushed off a knockdown pitch and stunned Yankees ace Roger Clemens with a first-inning homer in Game 4 of the 2003 World Series, the 20-year-old Marlin was listed at 6'2", 185 pounds. When he reported to camp this spring, according to credible sources, he weighed 260. His range and agility are clearly compromised; his 13 errors ties him for the lead among major league third basemen." This was in July. In the article by Peter Gammons someone else posted, it talks about Phil Hughes inclusion in the deal being unlikely. Who is our best position player? Hanley Ramirez, not MIguel Cabrera. Hanley was much more productive this year, with only 5 less HR than Cabrera, 49 more SB, 34 more R, 24 more H, 10 more 2B, a higher fielding percentage...Hanley is our top guy, and may in fact be the most productive overall offensive player in baseball. He is the franchise and it took Josh Beckett, Mota, and Mike Lowell to get him, an injury prone prospect like Anibal, and 2 other prospects. It took a top of the line starter and one of the best defensive infielder of the last 30 years who other than one bad year, had been the most productive hitter in Marlins history at that time. We had to trade a top of the line starter, an ace and 2 other above average talented players in Lowell and Mota for 2 prospects. Tabata, Chamberlain, Cano, Gardner, Betemit and Chase Wright is much more realistic. Hell I would say that Wang, Chamberlain, and Cano is more realistic than asking for Hughes, Chamberlain, Kennedy and Cano. Here's something that was posted on Rotoworld concerning Cabrera being dealt. "With the Yankees and Red Sox both in need of a third baseman and the Dodgers, Angels, Phillies and Giants all willing to consider upgrades, the Marlins may figure this is their best chance for getting maximum value for Cabrera, who is two years away from free agency. The problem is that, with his weight up, Cabrera's defense has gone from mediocre to truly bad, and he'd make more sense as a first baseman right now. Both the Yankees and Red Sox have possibilities there as well, but they might not be willing to surrender as much talent to fill a hole that is easier plugged." Betemit is garbage. Kei Igawa is owed another $16mil and has worse stuff than Chris Seddon (no offense Sed, we lova ya) who the f*** cares what one lame espn the mag writer had to say? and please, for the sake of my eyes, hit the return/enter button every now and then and lol at Hanley had 10 more doubles than Cabs... whipee!
November 1, 200718 yr Please go to baseball.reference.com and look up his comparisons list nobody in that offered trade benefits us enough to give up that type of talent. Some of you view those comparisons like it's the bible or somethign like that. I love baseball-refernce but I think those comparisons are the one useless portion of their website. I agree they are nothing more then an indicator of how the career track and projections of the players have gone. I consider it like a guidebook of what they "can" become not what they will. Still Miguel Cabrera is a special talent and there isnt more then 10 position players in baseball I would take over him and I would be hard pressed to take ten. Plus his offer is rather foolish in terms of filling none of our needs and creating more.
November 1, 200718 yr Please go to baseball.reference.com and look up his comparisons list nobody in that offered trade benefits us enough to give up that type of talent. Some of you view those comparisons like it's the bible or somethign like that. I love baseball-refernce but I think those comparisons are the one useless portion of their website. Hanley Ramirez is a nice player lol....That's all he is right? My friend, put Hanley in the 3 hole and his RBI total jumps up easily over 100, not to mention the 29 HR, the 125 R, the 51 SB, the .332 batting average, 48 doubles, a whole bunch less strikeouts, and a better defender with much more potential to become an above average SS defensively or even better like Alex Gonzalez did. Miguel did not lose all the weight, he weighs 250 lbs, and is woeful as a defensive player. He is an amazing hitter but Hanley's numbers this year were better than Miguel's. Hanley is the future of baseball. He is the Adrian Peterson of MLB. He is the super freak who has all the tools. He is the franchise, he is the all around super star that all teams need. the all around force. He is the next Barry Bonds, minus the roids. He is a potential 40/50 guy, he is the potential .330/40 hr/100+rbi/120+r/50+sb guy who can develop into a very solid defensive SS. Are you really gonna argue that?
November 1, 200718 yr Gotta love a guy who starts off his post, "Listen friends." You guys are insane if you think the Yankees are going to give up Joba Chamberlain, Ian Kennedy, and Phil Hughes for anyone. That would be like the A's having given up Zito, Mulder, and Hudson for any hitter in the league when the three were Oakland's top prospects. Do you honestly think the Yankees are gonna give up three top tier, Cy Young stuff type pitchers a player who is an amazing hitter.....Miguel Cabrera is an amazing hitter, one of the best (not the best, that would be Albert Pujols), and nothing more. He is slow, overweight and a liability defensively. Let's get serious. And on top of that, you guys wanna throw in Robinson Cano, a proven all star, who has decent speed, decent power, makes great contact with the ball, and plays solid defense. It's like asking for Andre Johnson (proven young star), DaMeco Ryans, Omobi Okoye and Travis Johnson (3 top defensive young players) in return for Willie Parker (a great running back, one of the best, but not the best). You can't ask for the whole team in return for one great player. If the Yankees make that deal, they're left with Wang, Mussina, Pettite (who will most likely retire if they trade their whole staff away), Igawa, and then a guy like Jason Jennings. They would have traded away all their young pitchers. It would be like the Marlins having traded Josh Beckett, Brad Penny, A.J. Burnett and Luis Castillo in 2002 for Manny Ramirez. It's literally the same. Would you have done that? Do you people think we could have come anywhere near a championship in 2003 without Beckett and Penny? Why would the Yankees do that? No one hitter is worth 3 top of the line ace potential starters AND a 2 time all star 25 year old second baseman with the potential to be a 25-30 hr/100 rbi/above .300 hitter every year. I suggested a realistic trade. Not a video game trade. You can't trade the entire Chicago Bulls team for Kobe Bryant...If you do, what do the Bulls become? At the most, an 8 seed, 1st round elimination team. Oh and by the way, I LOOVE how we write off Kei Igawa after one year. We just wrote off a 27 year old pitcher with a lot of talent based a rookie season. Good call there. Kinda like the guy who would have written John Smoltz off for going 2-7 with an ERA of almost 6.00 in his first season, or Johan Santana who went 2-3 with an ERA upwards of 7.00 in his rookie year. Igawa is due 4 million a year for the next 4 seasons. The Yankees would pay 2 million a year for Igawa, and 7 million for the final year of Pavano's deal. Those 2 salaries combined for the Marlins would be 5 million, while Cabrera would be making around 11 million this year. Cano won't make that much, and Chamberlain has a rookie deal, and Betemit makes 405,000 while Bruney also has a rookie deal. Ohlendorf is a potential number 3 or 4 guy in the rotation and also has a rookie deal, so combine each player in this equation and they still don't make more than Miggy will this year. I'm sorry, use your heads people. We all love what Miguel Cabrera has done, but without a stadium in place, nor a deal on the verge of being done, we should sell while his stock is at its peak, and get a good set of players. 2 major league ready high tier prospects, a young perennial all star, a young pitcher with a lot of potential, and a throw in (Pavano). Remember how Mike Lowell was a throw-in in the Beckett deal? Look how that worked out. If the Yankees deal for Cabrera I expect a lot of angry fans on this forum when they see that the Marlins didn't get the entire Yankees starting rotation, Cano, and Melky Cabrera...Hey you might as well throw Matsui in there, and Jeter. Why not? Since we are asking for ridiculously unrealistic amounts of major league talent for one player. Good luck with that. Here is my final and most realistic trade offer I think the Yankees will be willing to make. Miguel Cabrera Ross Wolf for Robinson Cano Chase Wright Joba Chamberlain Kei Igawa (2 of his 4 million dollar salary per year paid by NY) Brian Bruney Carl Pavano (7 million of his 10 million dollar salary paid by NY) Wilson Betemit Cash considerations Seriously, that deal is not only realistic, but so solid for the Marlins. We get 5 pitchers (4 of which are under 28 years old), 2 of which are top prospects, 1 is a hard throwing solid reliever, 1 has potential and talent to be a decent starter in the NL, and 1 is a filler who had great success in his contract year with us. We also get 2 infielders, 1 of which is a top 3 best 2B in the majors right now, and the other is a productive hitter with power and a decent glove. Obviously a young, solid player like Wilson Betemit got overlooked in my last trade proposal. P.S. Allen Iverson got dealt last year for garbage, and he was the top scorer in the NBA at that point. ps iverson wasnt a 24 year old superstar that is on the career path of the homerun king and is one of the top 5 hitters in teh game. And that offer is horrible Hanley Ramirez, not MIguel Cabrera. Hanley was much more productive this year, with only 5 less HR than Cabrera, 49 more SB, 34 more R, 24 more H, 10 more 2B, a higher fielding percentage...Hanley is our top guy, and may in fact be the most productive overall offensive player in baseball. I wonder who contributed to HanRam scoring so many runs. Could it be the guy who hit .375 with RISP?
November 1, 200718 yr Gotta love a guy who starts off his post, "Listen friends." You guys are insane if you think the Yankees are going to give up Joba Chamberlain, Ian Kennedy, and Phil Hughes for anyone. That would be like the A's having given up Zito, Mulder, and Hudson for any hitter in the league when the three were Oakland's top prospects. Do you honestly think the Yankees are gonna give up three top tier, Cy Young stuff type pitchers a player who is an amazing hitter.....Miguel Cabrera is an amazing hitter, one of the best (not the best, that would be Albert Pujols), and nothing more. He is slow, overweight and a liability defensively. Let's get serious. And on top of that, you guys wanna throw in Robinson Cano, a proven all star, who has decent speed, decent power, makes great contact with the ball, and plays solid defense. It's like asking for Andre Johnson (proven young star), DaMeco Ryans, Omobi Okoye and Travis Johnson (3 top defensive young players) in return for Willie Parker (a great running back, one of the best, but not the best). You can't ask for the whole team in return for one great player. If the Yankees make that deal, they're left with Wang, Mussina, Pettite (who will most likely retire if they trade their whole staff away), Igawa, and then a guy like Jason Jennings. They would have traded away all their young pitchers. It would be like the Marlins having traded Josh Beckett, Brad Penny, A.J. Burnett and Luis Castillo in 2002 for Manny Ramirez. It's literally the same. Would you have done that? Do you people think we could have come anywhere near a championship in 2003 without Beckett and Penny? Why would the Yankees do that? No one hitter is worth 3 top of the line ace potential starters AND a 2 time all star 25 year old second baseman with the potential to be a 25-30 hr/100 rbi/above .300 hitter every year. I suggested a realistic trade. Not a video game trade. You can't trade the entire Chicago Bulls team for Kobe Bryant...If you do, what do the Bulls become? At the most, an 8 seed, 1st round elimination team. Oh and by the way, I LOOVE how we write off Kei Igawa after one year. We just wrote off a 27 year old pitcher with a lot of talent based a rookie season. Good call there. Kinda like the guy who would have written John Smoltz off for going 2-7 with an ERA of almost 6.00 in his first season, or Johan Santana who went 2-3 with an ERA upwards of 7.00 in his rookie year. Igawa is due 4 million a year for the next 4 seasons. The Yankees would pay 2 million a year for Igawa, and 7 million for the final year of Pavano's deal. Those 2 salaries combined for the Marlins would be 5 million, while Cabrera would be making around 11 million this year. Cano won't make that much, and Chamberlain has a rookie deal, and Betemit makes 405,000 while Bruney also has a rookie deal. Ohlendorf is a potential number 3 or 4 guy in the rotation and also has a rookie deal, so combine each player in this equation and they still don't make more than Miggy will this year. I'm sorry, use your heads people. We all love what Miguel Cabrera has done, but without a stadium in place, nor a deal on the verge of being done, we should sell while his stock is at its peak, and get a good set of players. 2 major league ready high tier prospects, a young perennial all star, a young pitcher with a lot of potential, and a throw in (Pavano). Remember how Mike Lowell was a throw-in in the Beckett deal? Look how that worked out. If the Yankees deal for Cabrera I expect a lot of angry fans on this forum when they see that the Marlins didn't get the entire Yankees starting rotation, Cano, and Melky Cabrera...Hey you might as well throw Matsui in there, and Jeter. Why not? Since we are asking for ridiculously unrealistic amounts of major league talent for one player. Good luck with that. Here is my final and most realistic trade offer I think the Yankees will be willing to make. Miguel Cabrera Ross Wolf for Robinson Cano Chase Wright Joba Chamberlain Kei Igawa (2 of his 4 million dollar salary per year paid by NY) Brian Bruney Carl Pavano (7 million of his 10 million dollar salary paid by NY) Wilson Betemit Cash considerations Seriously, that deal is not only realistic, but so solid for the Marlins. We get 5 pitchers (4 of which are under 28 years old), 2 of which are top prospects, 1 is a hard throwing solid reliever, 1 has potential and talent to be a decent starter in the NL, and 1 is a filler who had great success in his contract year with us. We also get 2 infielders, 1 of which is a top 3 best 2B in the majors right now, and the other is a productive hitter with power and a decent glove. Obviously a young, solid player like Wilson Betemit got overlooked in my last trade proposal. P.S. Allen Iverson got dealt last year for garbage, and he was the top scorer in the NBA at that point. ps iverson wasnt a 24 year old superstar that is on the career path of the homerun king and is one of the top 5 hitters in teh game. And that offer is horrible why would we want igawa who isnt worth his weight and pavano whos now become a broken down pitcher? it doesnt matter how much of the salary the yankees pick up yeah, you're right, why would we want a guy who 2 years ago won 18 games. just like...why would the red sox want mike lowell in the beckett deal after hitting a truly awful .236 with 8 HR and 58 RBI? That was a mistake to take a chance on a veteran who had an off year. He didn't just win WS MVP after a spectacular season. And I seriously find all of you ridiculous for completely writing off Igawa after a rough MLB ROOKIE season!!!!! Johan Santana, 2-3, ERA in the 7.00s his rookie year, Smoltz's rookie year he was roughed up pretty good, Danny Haren too. I could go on and on naming all star, even Cy Young starters who were roughed up in their first season. But yeah, let's write Igawa off already.
November 1, 200718 yr Ok but those guys have good stuff and Igawa wasn't even great in Japan... he was a nice #1 or 2 over there but over here at best he is a 4... and that's pushing it and Igawa is 27... he is no rookie Pavano is made of glass... if he came here for free, that's one thing
November 1, 200718 yr Please go to baseball.reference.com and look up his comparisons list nobody in that offered trade benefits us enough to give up that type of talent. Some of you view those comparisons like it's the bible or somethign like that. I love baseball-refernce but I think those comparisons are the one useless portion of their website. Hanley Ramirez is a nice player lol....That's all he is right? My friend, put Hanley in the 3 hole and his RBI total jumps up easily over 100, not to mention the 29 HR, the 125 R, the 51 SB, the .332 batting average, 48 doubles, a whole bunch less strikeouts, and a better defender with much more potential to become an above average SS defensively or even better like Alex Gonzalez did. Miguel did not lose all the weight, he weighs 250 lbs, and is woeful as a defensive player. He is an amazing hitter but Hanley's numbers this year were better than Miguel's. Hanley is the future of baseball. He is the Adrian Peterson of MLB. He is the super freak who has all the tools. He is the franchise, he is the all around super star that all teams need. the all around force. He is the next Barry Bonds, minus the roids. He is a potential 40/50 guy, he is the potential .330/40 hr/100+rbi/120+r/50+sb guy who can develop into a very solid defensive SS. Are you really gonna argue that? My friend, I didn't say anything about Hanley.
November 1, 200718 yr Please go to baseball.reference.com and look up his comparisons list nobody in that offered trade benefits us enough to give up that type of talent. Some of you view those comparisons like it's the bible or somethign like that. I love baseball-refernce but I think those comparisons are the one useless portion of their website. Hanley Ramirez is a nice player lol....That's all he is right? My friend, put Hanley in the 3 hole and his RBI total jumps up easily over 100, not to mention the 29 HR, the 125 R, the 51 SB, the .332 batting average, 48 doubles, a whole bunch less strikeouts, and a better defender with much more potential to become an above average SS defensively or even better like Alex Gonzalez did. Miguel did not lose all the weight, he weighs 250 lbs, and is woeful as a defensive player. He is an amazing hitter but Hanley's numbers this year were better than Miguel's. Hanley is the future of baseball. He is the Adrian Peterson of MLB. He is the super freak who has all the tools. He is the franchise, he is the all around super star that all teams need. the all around force. He is the next Barry Bonds, minus the roids. He is a potential 40/50 guy, he is the potential .330/40 hr/100+rbi/120+r/50+sb guy who can develop into a very solid defensive SS. Are you really gonna argue that? My friend, I didn't say anything about Hanley. I lold
November 1, 200718 yr Gotta love a guy who starts off his post, "Listen friends." You guys are insane if you think the Yankees are going to give up Joba Chamberlain, Ian Kennedy, and Phil Hughes for anyone. That would be like the A's having given up Zito, Mulder, and Hudson for any hitter in the league when the three were Oakland's top prospects. Do you honestly think the Yankees are gonna give up three top tier, Cy Young stuff type pitchers a player who is an amazing hitter.....Miguel Cabrera is an amazing hitter, one of the best (not the best, that would be Albert Pujols), and nothing more. He is slow, overweight and a liability defensively. Let's get serious. And on top of that, you guys wanna throw in Robinson Cano, a proven all star, who has decent speed, decent power, makes great contact with the ball, and plays solid defense. It's like asking for Andre Johnson (proven young star), DaMeco Ryans, Omobi Okoye and Travis Johnson (3 top defensive young players) in return for Willie Parker (a great running back, one of the best, but not the best). You can't ask for the whole team in return for one great player. If the Yankees make that deal, they're left with Wang, Mussina, Pettite (who will most likely retire if they trade their whole staff away), Igawa, and then a guy like Jason Jennings. They would have traded away all their young pitchers. It would be like the Marlins having traded Josh Beckett, Brad Penny, A.J. Burnett and Luis Castillo in 2002 for Manny Ramirez. It's literally the same. Would you have done that? Do you people think we could have come anywhere near a championship in 2003 without Beckett and Penny? Why would the Yankees do that? No one hitter is worth 3 top of the line ace potential starters AND a 2 time all star 25 year old second baseman with the potential to be a 25-30 hr/100 rbi/above .300 hitter every year. I suggested a realistic trade. Not a video game trade. You can't trade the entire Chicago Bulls team for Kobe Bryant...If you do, what do the Bulls become? At the most, an 8 seed, 1st round elimination team. Oh and by the way, I LOOVE how we write off Kei Igawa after one year. We just wrote off a 27 year old pitcher with a lot of talent based a rookie season. Good call there. Kinda like the guy who would have written John Smoltz off for going 2-7 with an ERA of almost 6.00 in his first season, or Johan Santana who went 2-3 with an ERA upwards of 7.00 in his rookie year. Igawa is due 4 million a year for the next 4 seasons. The Yankees would pay 2 million a year for Igawa, and 7 million for the final year of Pavano's deal. Those 2 salaries combined for the Marlins would be 5 million, while Cabrera would be making around 11 million this year. Cano won't make that much, and Chamberlain has a rookie deal, and Betemit makes 405,000 while Bruney also has a rookie deal. Ohlendorf is a potential number 3 or 4 guy in the rotation and also has a rookie deal, so combine each player in this equation and they still don't make more than Miggy will this year. I'm sorry, use your heads people. We all love what Miguel Cabrera has done, but without a stadium in place, nor a deal on the verge of being done, we should sell while his stock is at its peak, and get a good set of players. 2 major league ready high tier prospects, a young perennial all star, a young pitcher with a lot of potential, and a throw in (Pavano). Remember how Mike Lowell was a throw-in in the Beckett deal? Look how that worked out. If the Yankees deal for Cabrera I expect a lot of angry fans on this forum when they see that the Marlins didn't get the entire Yankees starting rotation, Cano, and Melky Cabrera...Hey you might as well throw Matsui in there, and Jeter. Why not? Since we are asking for ridiculously unrealistic amounts of major league talent for one player. Good luck with that. Here is my final and most realistic trade offer I think the Yankees will be willing to make. Miguel Cabrera Ross Wolf for Robinson Cano Chase Wright Joba Chamberlain Kei Igawa (2 of his 4 million dollar salary per year paid by NY) Brian Bruney Carl Pavano (7 million of his 10 million dollar salary paid by NY) Wilson Betemit Cash considerations Seriously, that deal is not only realistic, but so solid for the Marlins. We get 5 pitchers (4 of which are under 28 years old), 2 of which are top prospects, 1 is a hard throwing solid reliever, 1 has potential and talent to be a decent starter in the NL, and 1 is a filler who had great success in his contract year with us. We also get 2 infielders, 1 of which is a top 3 best 2B in the majors right now, and the other is a productive hitter with power and a decent glove. Obviously a young, solid player like Wilson Betemit got overlooked in my last trade proposal. P.S. Allen Iverson got dealt last year for garbage, and he was the top scorer in the NBA at that point. ps iverson wasnt a 24 year old superstar that is on the career path of the homerun king and is one of the top 5 hitters in teh game. And that offer is horrible Hanley Ramirez, not MIguel Cabrera. Hanley was much more productive this year, with only 5 less HR than Cabrera, 49 more SB, 34 more R, 24 more H, 10 more 2B, a higher fielding percentage...Hanley is our top guy, and may in fact be the most productive overall offensive player in baseball. I wonder who contributed to HanRam scoring so many runs. Could it be the guy who hit .375 with RISP? yeah? who contributed to his 29 HR? or his 48 doubles? or his 51 sb? or his .332 batting average? did the guy with the .375 RISP? Was it Miguel's doing? Hanley's amazing season with the bat? And that was Hanley playing with an injured shoulder for a good portion of the year. I wanna know how anyone can possibly argue the numbers that Hanley puts up AS A LEADOFF HITTER!!!!!! He isn't putting up these numbers as a 2, 3, 4, or 5 guy....as a leadoff hitter. Let's take away Hanley and Miguel's average with RISP isn't gonna look the same because chances are he won't someone who gets on base as much as Hanley in front of him. Let's take Hanley out of the equation and Miguel's RBI total drop off a bit. Let's take Cabs out of the equation and Hanley as a leadoff still has the same numbers.
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