Give me Bruney and we're set, take Miggs.

 

 

you mean you wouldnt want to take igawa for cabs straight up? i mean it was rough but it was only his ROOKIE SEASON...can you sense the sarcasm here?...i say someone needs to put up a new deal that makes sense fast...although i am getting enjoyment trashing this one

 

You dont ask anybody on this site to put up imaginary trade ideas.

 

 

true...ive read some...not pretty

I seriously would have to consider my loyalty to the Marlins if this happens....I took Sheff, Edgar, Josh, Lowell....I can't take this, I just can't.

 

Yeah, honestly, I'd be done.

 

why would trading cabrera disappoint/upset anyone? shouldnt we all be prepaired for this one given the franchise history? i dont think this should be anything groundbreaking or shocking....i dont want it to happen either but if it does that doesnt mean i become less of a fan

 

Because if you want to be treated like a big league franchise and you want people to pay big league prices, eventually you have to start acting big league.

 

There is not one realistic trade scenario, not one, that brings back the kind of talent the Marlins would need to replace Miguel Cabrera. We've already well established that we're absurdly profitable under our current economic plan. Dealing Cabrera signifies it's not about baseball at all, just making money. Does Goldman Sachs sell tickets to watch them acquire businesses? Or Moors & Cabot to watch them assemble hedge-funds?

 

I mean, seriously. If the purpose of the Marlins is just the bottom line, and not the win-loss column, why even bother watching? I (and many others) went along with the most recent firesale because of the fiscal and baseball sense it made. Were there frustrations in there because we were overly cheap? Of course, but I think many still had some degree of faith in the big picture being Hanley, Miggy, Hermida and our pitchers running the table in 2009. If we scrap that all over again by trading one of the 4 best hitters in all of baseball for more "two years away" players, what the f*** good does it do? If we won't spend $11 million for one player, how on earth are we ever going to afford this team when all the 2006ers are in arbitration (because lord knows we won't buy them out).

 

Seriously, if Miggy's gone to just get cheaper, f*** this franchise.

I seriously would have to consider my loyalty to the Marlins if this happens....I took Sheff, Edgar, Josh, Lowell....I can't take this, I just can't.

 

Yeah, honestly, I'd be done.

 

why would trading cabrera disappoint/upset anyone? shouldnt we all be prepaired for this one given the franchise history? i dont think this should be anything groundbreaking or shocking....i dont want it to happen either but if it does that doesnt mean i become less of a fan

 

Because if you want to be treated like a big league franchise and you want people to pay big league prices, eventually you have to start acting big league.

 

There is not one realistic trade scenario, not one, that brings back the kind of talent the Marlins would need to replace Miguel Cabrera. We've already well established that we're absurdly profitable under our current economic plan. Dealing Cabrera signifies it's not about baseball at all, just making money. Does Goldman Sachs sell tickets to watch them acquire businesses? Or Moors & Cabot to watch them assemble hedge-funds?

 

I mean, seriously. If the purpose of the Marlins is just the bottom line, and not the win-loss column, why even bother watching? I (and many others) went along with the most recent firesale because of the fiscal and baseball sense it made. Were there frustrations in there because we were overly cheap? Of course, but I think many still had some degree of faith in the big picture being Hanley, Miggy, Hermida and our pitchers running the table in 2009. If we scrap that all over again by trading one of the 4 best hitters in all of baseball for more "two years away" players, what the f*** good does it do? If we won't spend $11 million for one player, how on earth are we ever going to afford this team when all the 2006ers are in arbitration (because lord knows we won't buy them out).

 

Seriously, if Miggy's gone to just get cheaper, f*** this franchise.

 

 

I don't mind trading Miggy if we tried to sign Arod to offset it.

Life goes on

 

As much as I'd love our players to be Biggio's, it's not going to happen. What's the difference between Cabs leaving now, or Cabs leaving after '09? It makes more sense to trade him, where we can get more quality back then we would from the two draft picks we would get from him walking. Personally I'd rather it be next offseason, expecially if aren't making a "splash" this offseason when it comes to the FA market (This lineup sans Cabs is not all that impressive...it's extremely top heavy as is, take Cabs out and it takes a huge hit).

I seriously would have to consider my loyalty to the Marlins if this happens....I took Sheff, Edgar, Josh, Lowell....I can't take this, I just can't.

 

Yeah, honestly, I'd be done.

 

why would trading cabrera disappoint/upset anyone? shouldnt we all be prepaired for this one given the franchise history? i dont think this should be anything groundbreaking or shocking....i dont want it to happen either but if it does that doesnt mean i become less of a fan

 

Because if you want to be treated like a big league franchise and you want people to pay big league prices, eventually you have to start acting big league.

 

There is not one realistic trade scenario, not one, that brings back the kind of talent the Marlins would need to replace Miguel Cabrera. We've already well established that we're absurdly profitable under our current economic plan. Dealing Cabrera signifies it's not about baseball at all, just making money. Does Goldman Sachs sell tickets to watch them acquire businesses? Or Moors & Cabot to watch them assemble hedge-funds?

 

I mean, seriously. If the purpose of the Marlins is just the bottom line, and not the win-loss column, why even bother watching? I (and many others) went along with the most recent firesale because of the fiscal and baseball sense it made. Were there frustrations in there because we were overly cheap? Of course, but I think many still had some degree of faith in the big picture being Hanley, Miggy, Hermida and our pitchers running the table in 2009. If we scrap that all over again by trading one of the 4 best hitters in all of baseball for more "two years away" players, what the f*** good does it do? If we won't spend $11 million for one player, how on earth are we ever going to afford this team when all the 2006ers are in arbitration (because lord knows we won't buy them out).

 

Seriously, if Miggy's gone to just get cheaper, f*** this franchise.

Best post of day. ITA. This organization sucks top to bottom.

I seriously would have to consider my loyalty to the Marlins if this happens....I took Sheff, Edgar, Josh, Lowell....I can't take this, I just can't.

 

Yeah, honestly, I'd be done.

 

why would trading cabrera disappoint/upset anyone? shouldnt we all be prepaired for this one given the franchise history? i dont think this should be anything groundbreaking or shocking....i dont want it to happen either but if it does that doesnt mean i become less of a fan

 

Because if you want to be treated like a big league franchise and you want people to pay big league prices, eventually you have to start acting big league.

 

There is not one realistic trade scenario, not one, that brings back the kind of talent the Marlins would need to replace Miguel Cabrera. We've already well established that we're absurdly profitable under our current economic plan. Dealing Cabrera signifies it's not about baseball at all, just making money. Does Goldman Sachs sell tickets to watch them acquire businesses? Or Moors & Cabot to watch them assemble hedge-funds?

 

I mean, seriously. If the purpose of the Marlins is just the bottom line, and not the win-loss column, why even bother watching? I (and many others) went along with the most recent firesale because of the fiscal and baseball sense it made. Were there frustrations in there because we were overly cheap? Of course, but I think many still had some degree of faith in the big picture being Hanley, Miggy, Hermida and our pitchers running the table in 2009. If we scrap that all over again by trading one of the 4 best hitters in all of baseball for more "two years away" players, what the f*** good does it do? If we won't spend $11 million for one player, how on earth are we ever going to afford this team when all the 2006ers are in arbitration (because lord knows we won't buy them out).

 

Seriously, if Miggy's gone to just get cheaper, f*** this franchise.

 

 

I don't mind trading Miggy if we tried to sign Arod to offset it.

 

Just like we traded Lee to try to sign Pudge?

 

Beinfest's a f***ing awful domino-GM. You better have A-Rod in place before dealing Miggy.

As a fan, I'd like to see one of our players in Cooperstown one day. With the way this organization runs things, that will never happen.

I seriously would have to consider my loyalty to the Marlins if this happens....I took Sheff, Edgar, Josh, Lowell....I can't take this, I just can't.

 

Yeah, honestly, I'd be done.

 

why would trading cabrera disappoint/upset anyone? shouldnt we all be prepaired for this one given the franchise history? i dont think this should be anything groundbreaking or shocking....i dont want it to happen either but if it does that doesnt mean i become less of a fan

 

Because if you want to be treated like a big league franchise and you want people to pay big league prices, eventually you have to start acting big league.

 

There is not one realistic trade scenario, not one, that brings back the kind of talent the Marlins would need to replace Miguel Cabrera. We've already well established that we're absurdly profitable under our current economic plan. Dealing Cabrera signifies it's not about baseball at all, just making money. Does Goldman Sachs sell tickets to watch them acquire businesses? Or Moors & Cabot to watch them assemble hedge-funds?

 

I mean, seriously. If the purpose of the Marlins is just the bottom line, and not the win-loss column, why even bother watching? I (and many others) went along with the most recent firesale because of the fiscal and baseball sense it made. Were there frustrations in there because we were overly cheap? Of course, but I think many still had some degree of faith in the big picture being Hanley, Miggy, Hermida and our pitchers running the table in 2009. If we scrap that all over again by trading one of the 4 best hitters in all of baseball for more "two years away" players, what the f*** good does it do? If we won't spend $11 million for one player, how on earth are we ever going to afford this team when all the 2006ers are in arbitration (because lord knows we won't buy them out).

 

Seriously, if Miggy's gone to just get cheaper, f*** this franchise.

 

And may I add that none of the Marlins traded in the past were of Cabrera's caliber. Sheff was the closest. This "major-league" team is just one bad cycle. Seriously, how can they maintain fans when their players are recycled every 3 years?

I'm not one to say "if player X is dealt I'm no longer a fan" because there are always good things that can come out of a deal (see Beckett trade) but wow... guys like Cabrera don't come along very often.

 

Being a farm league for the upper payroll teams gets tiresome. You build a team around guys like this.

 

 

I suppose it's naive but I didn't ever think it would reach this point. I figured he was untouchable.

 

Still just talk though, who knows what'll happen.

well if they decide that they can't keep him when he comes due in free agency (he will get an A-Rod type deal IMO) this is the winter to deal him to maximize return on investment, so a team has 2 full years of control of his contract or can buy out his 2 arbitration years as part of a long package. I have faith in Beinfest although trading a potential future HOFer when he is 24 makes me vomit in my mouth. I also could see Miggy becoming a Kevin Mitchell or Mo Vaughn once he gets his big contract (ie - gain 50 lbs and become a shell of his former self and injury prone). If they can get a gem ace pitching prospect (Hughes, Buckholz type) and 2 or 3 MLB ready players back, they do it.

I'm not one to say "if player X is dealt I'm no longer a fan" because there are always good things that can come out of a deal (see Beckett trade) but wow... guys like Cabrera don't come along very often.

 

Being a farm league for the upper payroll teams gets tiresome. You build a team around guys like this.

 

 

I suppose it's naive but I didn't ever think it would reach this point. I figured he was untouchable.

 

Still just talk though, who knows what'll happen.

I feel the same way. I found myself thinking the other day what do I do as a fan if the Marlins ship off Cabrera? I couldn't stop being a fan of this team, I love them too much. What kind of good faith do we get from this organization? How can we as hard working Americans feel comfortable renewing season tickets for an owner who is just sitting back with his hands open waiting for hand out? How does this organization think they are going to get more people to show up to games if they keep shipping superstars out of town? The stadium deal sure as hell ain't gonna do it!

 

It really does make you sick to think that we develop all this talent only for the big payroll clubs to come pick and choose who they want.

Another thing you Yankee fans seem to conveniently forgetting when wanting to trade Joba as the centerpiece for Miguel, is Joba has battled weight issues his entire career too.

 

And I would much rather have an out shape position player than pitcher, and even during Miguel's most out of shape year, he still was able to put up MVP type number in an extreme pitcher's park.

 

Face Facts: The Yankees are NOT a good trade partner for Miguel.

I seriously would have to consider my loyalty to the Marlins if this happens....I took Sheff, Edgar, Josh, Lowell....I can't take this, I just can't.

 

Yeah, honestly, I'd be done.

 

why would trading cabrera disappoint/upset anyone? shouldnt we all be prepaired for this one given the franchise history? i dont think this should be anything groundbreaking or shocking....i dont want it to happen either but if it does that doesnt mean i become less of a fan

 

Because if you want to be treated like a big league franchise and you want people to pay big league prices, eventually you have to start acting big league.

 

There is not one realistic trade scenario, not one, that brings back the kind of talent the Marlins would need to replace Miguel Cabrera. We've already well established that we're absurdly profitable under our current economic plan. Dealing Cabrera signifies it's not about baseball at all, just making money. Does Goldman Sachs sell tickets to watch them acquire businesses? Or Moors & Cabot to watch them assemble hedge-funds?

 

I mean, seriously. If the purpose of the Marlins is just the bottom line, and not the win-loss column, why even bother watching? I (and many others) went along with the most recent firesale because of the fiscal and baseball sense it made. Were there frustrations in there because we were overly cheap? Of course, but I think many still had some degree of faith in the big picture being Hanley, Miggy, Hermida and our pitchers running the table in 2009. If we scrap that all over again by trading one of the 4 best hitters in all of baseball for more "two years away" players, what the f*** good does it do? If we won't spend $11 million for one player, how on earth are we ever going to afford this team when all the 2006ers are in arbitration (because lord knows we won't buy them out).

 

Seriously, if Miggy's gone to just get cheaper, f*** this franchise.

I completely understand what you're saying and I share your frustration but if you thought we were going to start "acting big league" this year in our current situation, you're mistaken.

If the Marlins trade Miguel Cabrera they are fools. He's the face of the franchise and there's no way A-Rod is coming to the Marlins because they are too dame cheap. The Marlins need offensive players back in return for Cabrera if they are dumb enough to trade him which means the Yanks and Red Sox are bad matches.

How can we as hard working Americans feel comfortable renewing season tickets for an owner who is just sitting back with his hands open waiting for hand out?

Well he does a bit more than that. Last year, for example, he stuffed a $100 bill in his pocket at a rate of once every 73 seconds. That would wear anyone out.

Give me Bruney and we're set, take Miggs.

 

You guys are ridiculous. I hate forums because most of the time when you try to discuss and debate people get stupid and nasty. Honestly, is there any reason for you guys to go ahead and make those stupid comments? I get attacked by a mob because I recognize that no one hitter is worth 3 top of the line potential aces and a 25 year, 2 time all star, who in his 3 big league seasons has been a stand out hitter with good speed and solid defense. Saying that in order to get Miguel Cabrera the Yankees would have to hand us their entire pool of prospects is just as bad as someone (hypothetically) in 2001 going on an Expos forum upon hearing rumors of the Marlins' interest in Vlad Guerrero, and demanding that the Marlins give up Josh Beckett, Brad Penny, A.J. Burnett and on top of that....Derrek Lee or Mike Lowell. And for those of you who would be insane enough to say yes...you would have taken that deal...the Marlins would never have won the World Series in 2003 without Beckett, Penny, Lowell and Lee. So if you think the Yankees are going to give those guys and either Melky or Cano, you're insane. And yes I agree that it is a waste to put a guy with such a great arm like Miguel Cabrera at 1B but when you have a 3B weighing over 250...he is going to be a huge liability. If the Marlins, or Yankees or whoever put Cabrera on some sort of plan to get him down to 230...then you can see his defense improve. Even Peter Gammons said he finds it unlikely that the Yankees would give up Phil Hughes. If the Marlins get offered both Kennedy and Chamberlain on top of Cano and whoever else you guys want them to add in there (Tabata, Gardner, Edwar Ramirez, Tyler Clippard, Ross Ohlendorf), then they have made a very generous offer. Great pitchers will always be more valuable to a team than great hitters. The Yankees problem has never been their hitting. When they were winning their championships, they had Scott Brosius at 3B. It was their pitching...a young Andy Pettite, David Cone, El Duque, Roger Clemens, and Mariano Rivera at his most dominant. The Red Sox won this year because of great pitching from Beckett, Schilling, Lester, and Papelbon's dominance. It's always pitching, not hitting that wins the championships. The Yankees have not been lacking in hitting. A-Rod had a more productive year, way more productive than Miguel and they didn't go anywhere. Jeter, A-Rod, Abreu, Damon, Cano, Cabrera, Posada....they do not lack offense. Even without A-Rod they still don't lack offense. Why would they give up the thing that clearly can get them over their World Series drought? A team like the Dodgers? Yeah, they would be more willing to give up their top prospects. Hell, a team like the Padres is the kind of team that should be willing to give up the farm for a much needed power hitter in that order. But the Yankees don't lack hitting. They could easily go for a Joe Crede that will hit adequately, or a Mike Lowell and keep their top three up and coming star pitchers as well as their all star 2B. They fill the need with a formidable hitter (though not on the level of Cabrera), get much better defense and have 4 aces (that includes Wang) and a much better chance to win. That's why they won't throw all these top prospects at us. They're not in desparate need of a big hitter. If they want a big hitter they attempt to sign Andruw Jones (who is one of the best CF defensively you will ever see), or Torii Hunter (who is also up there defensively). The Marlins downfall this year was the 2 things the Yankees would be giving away to get Miguel's bat: consistent, solid starting pitching and defense (they obviously give up defense acquiring Cabs, unless they move him to 1B). But you guys are the geniuses who make fun of me because I am not opposed to adding Brian Bruney, or having Kei Igawa at a fraction of the price. Whatever. This forum is clearly filled with people from Miami: rude, know it all jerks. If the Dolphins decide to trade Jason Taylor in the offseason, I'm sure all of you will be demanding Dunta Robinson, DeMeco Ryans, Andre Johnson, and Omobi Okoye. Peace.

Were there frustrations in there because we were overly cheap? Of course, but I think many still had some degree of faith in the big picture being Hanley, Miggy, Hermida and our pitchers running the table in 2009. If we scrap that all over again by trading one of the 4 best hitters in all of baseball for more "two years away" players, what the f*** good does it do?

 

From the perspective of the die hard fan I think this is one of the best statements made on this subject. We all went through the firesales and all sat on our hands and stayed patient with this organization. We all understood Loria's point of view that he could not continue to keep spending ass loads of money he couldnt afford if he wasnt making a single penny. The one thing I think we all were counting on was a base of homegrown talent that would be the cornerstone of this franchise and the "faces" of the new stadium. Is it that much to ask for a professional MLB franchise to hold onto THREE key components for their team? Obviously for this one it is and frankly it seems as though they shouldn't be a professional franchise in the first place. How do they expect to create a baseball environment down here like in New York, Boston or Chicago if we can't even buy a jersey and wear it for more than 3 years at a time?

 

I would find it hard to stop rooting for this team but I would have no problem not giving them 1 dollar out of my pocket.

How can we as hard working Americans feel comfortable renewing season tickets for an owner who is just sitting back with his hands open waiting for hand out?

Well he does a bit more than that. Last year, for example, he stuffed a $100 bill in his pocket at a rate of once every 73 seconds. That would wear anyone out.

:lol

 

Thanks dude I really needed something to get me in a better mood.

I seriously would have to consider my loyalty to the Marlins if this happens....I took Sheff, Edgar, Josh, Lowell....I can't take this, I just can't.

 

Yeah, honestly, I'd be done.

 

why would trading cabrera disappoint/upset anyone? shouldnt we all be prepaired for this one given the franchise history? i dont think this should be anything groundbreaking or shocking....i dont want it to happen either but if it does that doesnt mean i become less of a fan

 

Because if you want to be treated like a big league franchise and you want people to pay big league prices, eventually you have to start acting big league.

 

There is not one realistic trade scenario, not one, that brings back the kind of talent the Marlins would need to replace Miguel Cabrera. We've already well established that we're absurdly profitable under our current economic plan. Dealing Cabrera signifies it's not about baseball at all, just making money. Does Goldman Sachs sell tickets to watch them acquire businesses? Or Moors & Cabot to watch them assemble hedge-funds?

 

I mean, seriously. If the purpose of the Marlins is just the bottom line, and not the win-loss column, why even bother watching? I (and many others) went along with the most recent firesale because of the fiscal and baseball sense it made. Were there frustrations in there because we were overly cheap? Of course, but I think many still had some degree of faith in the big picture being Hanley, Miggy, Hermida and our pitchers running the table in 2009. If we scrap that all over again by trading one of the 4 best hitters in all of baseball for more "two years away" players, what the f*** good does it do? If we won't spend $11 million for one player, how on earth are we ever going to afford this team when all the 2006ers are in arbitration (because lord knows we won't buy them out).

 

Seriously, if Miggy's gone to just get cheaper, f*** this franchise.

 

 

i aggree and disagree...in todays game its about wins and losses just as much as the bottom line

Give me Bruney and we're set, take Miggs.

 

You guys are ridiculous. I hate forums because most of the time when you try to discuss and debate people get stupid and nasty. Honestly, is there any reason for you guys to go ahead and make those stupid comments? I get attacked by a mob because I recognize that no one hitter is worth 3 top of the line potential aces and a 25 year, 2 time all star, who in his 3 big league seasons has been a stand out hitter with good speed and solid defense. Saying that in order to get Miguel Cabrera the Yankees would have to hand us their entire pool of prospects is just as bad as someone (hypothetically) in 2001 going on an Expos forum upon hearing rumors of the Marlins' interest in Vlad Guerrero, and demanding that the Marlins give up Josh Beckett, Brad Penny, A.J. Burnett and on top of that....Derrek Lee or Mike Lowell. And for those of you who would be insane enough to say yes...you would have taken that deal...the Marlins would never have won the World Series in 2003 without Beckett, Penny, Lowell and Lee. So if you think the Yankees are going to give those guys and either Melky or Cano, you're insane. And yes I agree that it is a waste to put a guy with such a great arm like Miguel Cabrera at 1B but when you have a 3B weighing over 250...he is going to be a huge liability. If the Marlins, or Yankees or whoever put Cabrera on some sort of plan to get him down to 230...then you can see his defense improve. Even Peter Gammons said he finds it unlikely that the Yankees would give up Phil Hughes. If the Marlins get offered both Kennedy and Chamberlain on top of Cano and whoever else you guys want them to add in there (Tabata, Gardner, Edwar Ramirez, Tyler Clippard, Ross Ohlendorf), then they have made a very generous offer. Great pitchers will always be more valuable to a team than great hitters. The Yankees problem has never been their hitting. When they were winning their championships, they had Scott Brosius at 3B. It was their pitching...a young Andy Pettite, David Cone, El Duque, Roger Clemens, and Mariano Rivera at his most dominant. The Red Sox won this year because of great pitching from Beckett, Schilling, Lester, and Papelbon's dominance. It's always pitching, not hitting that wins the championships. The Yankees have not been lacking in hitting. A-Rod had a more productive year, way more productive than Miguel and they didn't go anywhere. Jeter, A-Rod, Abreu, Damon, Cano, Cabrera, Posada....they do not lack offense. Even without A-Rod they still don't lack offense. Why would they give up the thing that clearly can get them over their World Series drought? A team like the Dodgers? Yeah, they would be more willing to give up their top prospects. Hell, a team like the Padres is the kind of team that should be willing to give up the farm for a much needed power hitter in that order. But the Yankees don't lack hitting. They could easily go for a Joe Crede that will hit adequately, or a Mike Lowell and keep their top three up and coming star pitchers as well as their all star 2B. They fill the need with a formidable hitter (though not on the level of Cabrera), get much better defense and have 4 aces (that includes Wang) and a much better chance to win. That's why they won't throw all these top prospects at us. They're not in desparate need of a big hitter. If they want a big hitter they attempt to sign Andruw Jones (who is one of the best CF defensively you will ever see), or Torii Hunter (who is also up there defensively). The Marlins downfall this year was the 2 things the Yankees would be giving away to get Miguel's bat: consistent, solid starting pitching and defense (they obviously give up defense acquiring Cabs, unless they move him to 1B). But you guys are the geniuses who make fun of me because I am not opposed to adding Brian Bruney, or having Kei Igawa at a fraction of the price. Whatever. This forum is clearly filled with people from Miami: rude, know it all jerks. If the Dolphins decide to trade Jason Taylor in the offseason, I'm sure all of you will be demanding Dunta Robinson, DeMeco Ryans, Andre Johnson, and Omobi Okoye. Peace.

 

 

I wish you used some paragraphs, but you seem to be agreeing with most of us Marlin fans that know what we are talking about, and that is that the Yankees are NOT a good trading partner for Cabrera. If they really did want him it would take a Hughes and Chamberlain to start because nothing else the Yankees have are worth a stud like Miguel.