November 27, 200718 yr Is Phil Hughes, Melky Cabrera and a minor leaguer enough to get Santana? I say this is not even close to being settled
November 27, 200718 yr Is Phil Hughes, Melky Cabrera and a minor leaguer enough to get Santana? I say this is not even close to being settled they get a fraction of the players that left/traded for a fraction of the prize, for a combined fraction of their production :confused
November 27, 200718 yr Im guessing it would take something like Hughes, Melky, Tabata, and another prospect maybe Austin Jackson?
November 28, 200718 yr Not going to happen, if Santana goes anywhere it'll be to a BIG MARKET team with a few prospects to play with, come to mind I think he'll go to the Boston Redsox!
November 28, 200718 yr Not going to happen, if Santana goes anywhere it'll be to a BIG MARKET team with a few prospects to play with, come to mind I think he'll go to the Boston Redsox! New York has plenty of prospects to play with. And I'm not entirely sure, but i think they play in a big market as well
November 28, 200718 yr Not going to happen, if Santana goes anywhere it'll be to a BIG MARKET team with a few prospects to play with, come to mind I think he'll go to the Boston Redsox! With Hunter gone, I think that actually improves the Yankees' chances. Austin Jackson is like Alfonso Soriano only with better D and more upside. Then, they would get either Joba, Hughes, or Kennedy. I don't know that they would even bother with Melky and would still get this deal done. Of course, I say this has someone who is creaming at the thought that the FO might be bolstering our rotation with someone other than an octogenarian but I digress...
November 28, 200718 yr Not going to happen, if Santana goes anywhere it'll be to a BIG MARKET team with a few prospects to play with, come to mind I think he'll go to the Boston Redsox! I'm pretty sure New York is a big market. Just a guess though.
November 28, 200718 yr Not going to happen, if Santana goes anywhere it'll be to a BIG MARKET team with a few prospects to play with, come to mind I think he'll go to the Boston Redsox! I'm pretty sure New York is a big market. Just a guess though. Read what I wrote, where does it say that New York isn't a BIG MARKET team? I said a BIG MARKET team with prospects worth receiving! Boston has way more to offer the Twins than the Yankees, true or false? Now do you think Boston is going to let the Yankees get in my opinion one of the best pitchers in the game? I think not.
November 28, 200718 yr Not going to happen, if Santana goes anywhere it'll be to a BIG MARKET team with a few prospects to play with, come to mind I think he'll go to the Boston Redsox! I'm pretty sure New York is a big market. Just a guess though. Read what I wrote, where does it say that New York isn't a BIG MARKET team? I said a BIG MARKET team with prospects worth receiving! Boston has way more to offer the Twins than the Yankees, true or false? Now do you think Boston is going to let the Yankees get in my opinion one of the best pitchers in the game? I think not. Absolutely totally and completely false. Read up.
November 28, 200718 yr Author I hate the freakin Yankees but they have a very deep farm system...The BASTARDS!
November 29, 200718 yr I said a BIG MARKET team with prospects worth receiving! Boston has way more to offer the Twins than the Yankees, true or false? false.
November 29, 200718 yr I said a BIG MARKET team with prospects worth receiving! Boston has way more to offer the Twins than the Yankees, true or false? false. How so? Do you really think Boston would let it happen. I mean they can offer them Jacoby Ellsbury to start any package for Santana!
November 29, 200718 yr How so? Do you really think Boston would let it happen. I mean they can offer them Jacoby Ellsbury to start any package for Santana! The Red Sox aren't going to trade Ellsbury any more than the Yankees are going to trade Cano.
November 29, 200718 yr I said a BIG MARKET team with prospects worth receiving! Boston has way more to offer the Twins than the Yankees, true or false? false. How so? Do you really think Boston would let it happen. I mean they can offer them Jacoby Ellsbury to start any package for Santana! First of all, Jacoby Ellsbury isn't as valuable as Clay Buchholz, Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain. If either team wanted to 'sell their soul', if you will, Ellsbury isn't the tip of any iceberg. Jacoby is the 4th best prospect if you combine the two systems. Second of all, the Red Sox aren't going to trade Jacoby Ellsbury. Third, and most importantly, like I said in another thread, this is going to end up being a B-prospect war. Neither organization is stupid enough to part with Ellsbury, Buchholz, Hughes or Chamberlain. If they were willing to do so, the first to call the Twins would already be inking Santanas new contract. If Hughes or Ellsbury are suddenly tossed into any deal, Santana is theirs. It's highly unlikely it comes to that, at this point, however. The Yankees simply have better young players to offer the Twins past the two teams Big 2 (which we'll call a wash, just so we don't get too off-topic). EDIT: What Yankees said also applies.
November 29, 200718 yr Author I said a BIG MARKET team with prospects worth receiving! Boston has way more to offer the Twins than the Yankees, true or false? false. How so? Do you really think Boston would let it happen. I mean they can offer them Jacoby Ellsbury to start any package for Santana! First of all, Jacoby Ellsbury isn't as valuable as Clay Buchholz, Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain. If either team wanted to 'sell their soul', if you will, Ellsbury isn't the tip of any iceberg. Jacoby is the 4th best prospect if you combine the two systems. Second of all, the Red Sox aren't going to trade Jacoby Ellsbury. Third, and most importantly, like I said in another thread, this is going to end up being a B-prospect war. Neither organization is stupid enough to part with Ellsbury, Buchholz, Hughes or Chamberlain. If they were willing to do so, the first to call the Twins would already be inking Santanas new contract. If Hughes or Ellsbury are suddenly tossed into any deal, Santana is theirs. It's highly unlikely it comes to that, at this point, however. The Yankees simply have better young players to offer the Twins past the two teams Big 2 (which we'll call a wash, just so we don't get too off-topic). EDIT: What Yankees said also applies. A Boston Trade would involve Coco Crisp and Buchholtz. If you get Johan Santana, as great as Buchholtz could become, you can let him go. The question is just how much else would you have to give up to complete the deal. BTW between Hughes and Buchholtz I would prefer Buchholtz by far
November 29, 200718 yr Buchholz. Sorry, but it irritates me. This Twins writer is reporting Boston to be the front runner and the deal apparently being... Coco Crisp, Jed Lowrie, Jon Lester, and Justin Masterson. http://www.twincities.com/walters I'd do that in a hot second if it was actually on the table and I'd have to think Theo would have pulled this trigger as well, unless they are working out money or something. Or, the proposal isn't actually true. Santana Beckett Matsuzaka Schilling Buchholz Dear God.
November 29, 200718 yr Buchholz. Sorry, but it irritates me. This Twins writer is reporting Boston to be the front runner and the deal apparently being... Coco Crisp, Jed Lowrie, Jon Lester, and Justin Masterson. http://www.twincities.com/walters I'd do that in a hot second if it was actually on the table and I'd have to think Theo would have pulled this trigger as well, unless they are working out money or something. Or, the proposal isn't actually true. Santana Beckett Matsuzaka Schilling Buchholz Dear God. I'm assuming the Yankees said no to Hughes, Austin Jackson and Melky Cabrera and are trying to work the price down. That would be an absolute steal for the Sox and they should have pulled the trigger on that already. I'd get rid of Jon Lester ASAP while he still has some high value. I doubt that's an actual Twins proposal. Maybe the Sox proposal to the Twins.
November 29, 200718 yr I don't expect the Twins to deal Santana right now without getting either Hughes or Joba from the Yanks or Buchholz from the Sox, especially if the NY Daily News report about the Mets possibly including Reyes is true. They aren't going to deal him for a cadre of B prospects just to ship him off now - at worst, they can wait until the deadline and get those same type of B-level prospects. The financial need to deal Santana now isn't present like in some other cases of big name players (Cabs for one). If the Yanks or Sox are comfortable giving up B-level guys now, it makes much more sense for them to go after Dan Haren and his manageable contract than to give up uber-prospects and the insane amount of money Johan will command in his new contract. Of course you don't get nearly the upside with Haren that you do with Santana.
November 30, 200718 yr Author Buchholz. Sorry, but it irritates me. This Twins writer is reporting Boston to be the front runner and the deal apparently being... Coco Crisp, Jed Lowrie, Jon Lester, and Justin Masterson. http://www.twincities.com/walters I'd do that in a hot second if it was actually on the table and I'd have to think Theo would have pulled this trigger as well, unless they are working out money or something. Or, the proposal isn't actually true. Santana Beckett Matsuzaka Schilling Buchholz Dear God. MLB .com is reporting the same. That pitching rotation could easily get 85-90 wins. The Red Sox could have around 120 wins throughout the season if they were to remain injury-free. Although I fail to see how the Red Sox could get Santana without giving up Buchholtz. If they do it would be major coup http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20...7&fext=.jsp Sox gain in Santana sweepstakes 11/29/2007 6:40 PM ET By Ian Browne / MLB.com BOSTON -- The Red Sox just won the World Series and they already have one of the top aces in the game in right-hander Josh Beckett. However, it appears that isn't stopping Boston general manager Theo Epstein from making a strong push for two-time American League Cy Young Award winner Johan Santana, who is being dangled in trade talks by the Minnesota Twins. ESPN.com reported on Thursday that the Red Sox and Twins have discussed a potential deal in which center fielder Coco Crisp, left-hander Jon Lester and promising Minor League shortstop Jed Lowrie would head to Minnesota along with one other prospect in exchange for Santana. The St. Paul Pioneer Press -- citing a "little birdie" -- had a similar report. In fact, that report stated that the Red Sox have become the favorites while adding that right-handed pitching prospect Justin Masterson would also be going to Minnesota. Epstein has made a consistent habit of never commenting on trade rumors. Recently, Epstein predicted it could be a quiet winter for his team. But he also added that things could always change. "At the same time, we do want to be aggressive in looking for any opportunity to make the club better," Epstein said. "We know our 29 competitors are doing the same. We're never afraid of change. I think change in baseball is often necessary and oftentimes a good thing. But we're also not going to go out and seek change just for the sake of change." If the Red Sox were to add Santana, they could send a jolt throughout Major League Baseball. A Beckett-Santana 1-2 punch -- backed by Daisuke Matsuzaka, Curt Schilling and Tim Wakefield -- could be a dominant rotation. Even if the Red Sox and Twins can agree to the framework of a trade, it would by no means make Santana Boston-bound. Santana has a no-trade clause and will likely seek a contract extension before waiving the clause. If the Red Sox and Twins did agree in principle to a trade, Boston would have 72 hours to negotiate an extension with Santana. That was the formula the Sox used to land Schilling in a Thanksgiving trade with the Diamondbacks following the 2003 season. Several reports have suggested that Santana could be seeking a contract worth roughly $150 million over six years. Adding more intrigue to the story is the fact that the Yankees -- the Red Sox's chief rivals -- are also in hot pursuit of Santana. The Angels are another team to have expressed interest. The Yankees might give the Twins a choice of either Phil Hughes or Ian Kennedy -- two of their best pitching prospects -- as well as outfielder Melky Cabrera and another prospect. After losing Torii Hunter as a free agent, the Twins desperately need a center fielder. The Red Sox aren't willing to part with Jacoby Ellsbury, their top position prospect. But they would deal Crisp, who has speed and a terrific glove. Aside from Ellsbury, the other prospect the Red Sox appear steadfast in not giving up is Clay Buchholz, the author of a Sept. 1 no-hitter against the Orioles. Lester, who won the clinching Game 4 of the World Series for the Red Sox, might be a suitable alternative for the Twins. Lester will be 24 at the start of the 2008 season. The lefty is used to being in trade rumors. In fact, four winters ago, he was supposedly going to the White Sox along with Nomar Garciaparra in a trade that was going to bring Magglio Ordonez to Boston. But that trade fell through, teaching Lester a lesson. "That kind of got me used to it and made me realize that until Theo calls, it's just all hearsay -- it's all talk, it's something that's not final," Lester said on Wednesday. "Until that day comes, we'll approach it then." Lester also viewed it as a compliment to be rumored as a key piece for an established pitcher. "Dan Haren and Johan Santana, that's not bad," said Lester. "Those are two great pitchers to be associated with in a trade. Like I said, I want to be a Red Sox. I want to be here and pitch here for a long time and win more World Series." Masterson and Lowrie don't yet have the recognition of Buchholz and Ellsbury, but they are two prospects the Red Sox are high on. The 6-foot-6 Masterson split the 2007 season between Class A Lancaster and Double-A Portland, going 12-8 with a 4.33 ERA. Lowrie hit .300 with five homers and 21 RBIs at Triple-A Pawtucket in the 40 games after his promotion in '07. He spent the rest of his season at Double-A, hitting .297 with eight homers and 49 RBIs. Boston seemingly became a more appealing trading partner with Minnesota on the heels of the deal the Twins made with the Rays on Wednesday to land outfielder Delmon Young. In that trade, Minnesota parted with starting shortstop Jason Bartlett and starting pitcher Matt Garza, which made Lowrie and Boston's young pitchers more enticing to the Twins. Schilling was asked earlier this week for his reaction to the Red Sox being mentioned in the Santana sweepstakes. "Cool," said Schilling. "The thought of Beckett-Santana coming out to match up with somebody is exciting. I know that the Hot Stove is where that stuff happens. I know that if he's on the market like people say he is, I'm sure Theo has talked to [the Twins]. He's going to measure the price tag. We're not in a win-it-now mode. That's our mode every year. We're not operating out of our element when Theo gets in discussions like that. He's not going to sacrifice the future." The 28-year-old Santana beat out Schilling for the AL Cy Young Award in 2004 and took home the trophy again in '06. Santana has a career record of 93-44 with an ERA of 3.22, and he went 15-13 in 2007 with a 3.33 ERA. In 219 innings, Santana posted 235 strikeouts, while holding opponents to a .219 batting average
December 1, 200718 yr According to Rotoworld, the Yankees have decided to include Phil Hughes in the package for Santana. Looks like Santana will be in pinstripes shortly.
December 1, 200718 yr Looks like Melky is a no-go to the MN, with the trade for Delmon Young. So cross that theory of the list.
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