Let's get that flaming F%#$*& out of here!

PLEASE FIRE LORIA AND GET A LATIN OWNER WHO CARES ABOUT SOUTH FLORIDA AND WILL MAKE IT WORK!!!!!

 

 

 

Because that will really make a difference. The majority of people in South Florida are Latin, and they don't come to the games. So what makes you think an owner being Latin will change things?

I know this guy who told my friend that...

Gambling is waaaaaaay more socially accepted than porn.

 

Porn is the fastest growing industry in the US. And it's legal in all 50 states.

 

Can you say the same about Gambing?

Gambling is waaaaaaay more socially accepted than porn.

 

Porn is the fastest growing industry in the US. And it's legal in all 50 states.

 

Can you say the same about Gambing?

 

When you start mixing something as private and as graphic as porn into the public arena people are not happy.

 

Put up two billboards in a public place.

 

Which will generate more public outcry?

 

The sign advertising a casino

 

or

 

The sign advertising a porn magazine

Gambling is waaaaaaay more socially accepted than porn.

 

Porn is the fastest growing industry in the US. And it's legal in all 50 states.

 

Can you say the same about Gambing?

 

When you start mixing something as private and as graphic as porn into the public arena people are not happy.

 

Put up two billboards in a public place.

 

Which will generate more public outcry?

 

The sign advertising a casino

 

or

 

The sign advertising a porn magazine

 

Which is legal in all 50 states and which isn't?

And MLB didn't want to be associated with Vegas. But they were seriously considered as a relocation point.

 

GRANTED, most experts said that will never happen.

 

Just playing devils advocate.

 

Las Vegas and porn are not even comparable.

 

Do you realize the irony in that statement?

 

That's like saying Los Angeles shouldn't be associated with acting.

 

Porn isn't keeping Vegas from getting a baseball team. Gambling and a sh*tty market size are.

 

Lastly Las Vegas is not synonymous for porn. It's synonymous for gambling.

 

I think what he's saying is: If MLB would consider moving a team to Las Vegas, then why wouldn't they let a porn CEO purchase a team? Gambling and Porn are essentially one in the same. They are both frowned upon by society

 

The whole issue with Vegas Acquiring a team is not any of this. It has to do with the gambling, and it affecting the integrity of the game like the Black Socks did during that shoe-less Joe Jackson Era when the White Sox gave away the world series for ten thousand dollars a game to gamblers.

I know this guy who told my friend that...

Exactly. I'll believe it when I actually see something reported by Gammons or Olney.

Hes more of a real estate guy than a porn guy.

 

If he buys the team and shows up in the owners box wearing a robe...

The whole Vegas (gambling) v. Porn discussion is really pointless.

 

The only way this issue becomes even remotely relevant is if 4 purely speculative outcomes all come true:

1) The rumor posted is true

2) Conditional on the rumor being true, Loria's penalty is more significant than a mere slap on the wrist

3) Conditional on 1 and 2, Loria decides/is forced to sell the team

4) Condtional on 1, 2, and 3, Bell expresses a real interest and is the highest bidder.

 

That's like arguing over the Hall of Fame's guidelines regarding what team a player goes into the Hall under in the context of a discussion about whether Cameron Maybin will go into the Hall of Fame as a Florida Marlin, which was initiated by someone citing a single scout's opinion that Maybin has the requisite skills to be a special/Hall of Fame caliber talent.

I know this guy who told my friend that...

 

solid signature bobbob

The whole Vegas (gambling) v. Porn discussion is really pointless.

 

The only way this issue becomes even remotely relevant is if 4 purely speculative outcomes all come true:

1) The rumor posted is true

2) Conditional on the rumor being true, Loria's penalty is more significant than a mere slap on the wrist

3) Conditional on 1 and 2, Loria decides/is forced to sell the team

4) Condtional on 1, 2, and 3, Bell expresses a real interest and is the highest bidder.

 

That's like arguing over the Hall of Fame's guidelines regarding what team a player goes into the Hall under in the context of a discussion about whether Cameron Maybin will go into the Hall of Fame as a Florida Marlin, which was initiated by someone citing a single scout's opinion that Maybin has the requisite skills to be a special/Hall of Fame caliber talent.

Messageboards are made for pointless discussions.

 

So, what do people think Maybin should have for his song as he steps to the plate?

Gambling is waaaaaaay more socially accepted than porn.

Obviously MLB has never seen 2 Girls 1 Cup.

BTW, in the public arena, this is what MLB and DuPuy have to say:

 

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/marlins/conte...=7&cxcat=46

 

MLB's question: Can team survive?

 

By JOE CAPOZZI

 

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

 

Friday, December 07, 2007

 

NASHVILLE ? Major League Baseball "will take a long, hard look" in the next two months at whether the Marlins can survive in South Florida, President Bob DuPuy told ESPN Radio on Thursday.

 

After trading away their two biggest stars, the Marlins could have a payroll of less than $15 million next year while the New York Yankees could top $190 million.

 

DuPuy, the No. 2 man to Commissioner Bud Selig, was asked on the Mike & Mike Show how MLB can allow such disparity when baseball is enjoying record profits and revenue sharing.

 

"That kind of ratio is unhealthy,'' DuPuy said, while noting that opening-day rosters won't be set for months.

 

DuPuy also said: "Under our collective-bargaining agreement with the players' association, clubs have an obligation to use the money they're receiving from revenue sharing to improve their product on the field. We do look at that each year.

 

"I'm not talking about the Marlins specifically, but we do look at that each year with regard to all of the clubs receiving revenue sharing." DuPuy said. "You want clubs to be able to rebuild, but you also want them to retain their stars and their franchise players as well."

 

Revenue-sharing figures are not disclosed, but the Marlins are believed to have received $30 million in 2006, for example.

 

DuPuy says the answer to the Marlins' survival is a ballpark with a retractable roof. But for seven years, the team has been unable to get financial help from local and state leaders.

 

Meanwhile, the Marlins have drawn the smallest crowds in the league and traded their biggest stars, the latest being Wednesday when Dontrelle Willis and Miguel Cabrera went to Detroit.

 

DuPuy said Selig visited South Florida this summer to discuss the issue with city and county officials in Miami-Dade.

 

DuPuy said his boss' message at the meeting was, "We are getting to the point where we need to make a decision - either you want to retain Major League Baseball or you don't."

 

Marlins officials could not immediately be reached Thursday. But club President David Samson told 790-AM the team remains committed to building a stadium.

 

He also insisted that the Marlins and owner Jeffrey Loria did not make a profit last season, despite the revenue sharing.

 

"Not one penny has come out of the team into (Loria's) pocket," Samson said.

I really dont see Loria selling the team anytime soon. Atleast until they get the stadium.

 

Its not going to happen anytime soon. I can only hope that Huizenga throws them out of Dolphin Stadium, and then see what happens. Would MLB allow a team to play all its games on the road for a year ? How will this play out ? Something has to be done.

DuPuy said his boss' message at the meeting was, "We are getting to the point where we need to make a decision - either you want to retain Major League Baseball or you don't."

 

 

Great. . . now Selig is pounding tables and threatening the politicos.

 

See yaa. . . . Just move the damn team if you don't like it down here.

DuPuy said his boss' message at the meeting was, "We are getting to the point where we need to make a decision - either you want to retain Major League Baseball or you don't."

 

 

Great. . . now Selig is pounding tables and threatening the politicos.

 

See yaa. . . . Just move the damn team if you don't like it down here.

 

I agree its time to let MLB go.....I'll remain a fan of the Marlins, but if they must move, just do it now.

at least we will all know soon one way or the other what is going to happen .I would guess in the next couple of months .

I hope the Miami politicians if they in fact want baseball ( and I do think most politicians dont want to be the guys who let a major sports franchise leave on their watch ) realize if the Marlins leave it will be at least 30 years before South Florida is even considered for a team

I don't think MLB will do anything. They did nothing after the '05 firesale. THey did nothing to change the rules during the last CBA.

I hope the Miami politicians if they in fact want baseball ( and I do think most politicians dont want to be the guys who let a major sports franchise leave on their watch ) realize if the Marlins leave it will be at least 30 years before South Florida is even considered for a team

I doubt it would take that long. All we need is a physical stadium, and Miami would constantly be mentioned as a relocation option for teams, or as a possible expansion team.

 

If you build it, they will come...

I hope the Miami politicians if they in fact want baseball ( and I do think most politicians dont want to be the guys who let a major sports franchise leave on their watch ) realize if the Marlins leave it will be at least 30 years before South Florida is even considered for a team

I doubt it would take that long. All we need is a physical stadium, and Miami would constantly be mentioned as a relocation option for teams, or as a possible expansion team.

 

If you build it, they will come...

 

Problem is, no one except Oakland will need a new stadium.....everyone else has one. Oakland will not be moved to Miami, but if they move anywhere it would be to Vegas or Sacremento.

I hope the Miami politicians if they in fact want baseball ( and I do think most politicians dont want to be the guys who let a major sports franchise leave on their watch ) realize if the Marlins leave it will be at least 30 years before South Florida is even considered for a team

I doubt it would take that long. All we need is a physical stadium, and Miami would constantly be mentioned as a relocation option for teams, or as a possible expansion team.

 

If you build it, they will come...

 

the market is appealing however the attedance for the last decade has ranged from slightly below average to the worst in baseball , the fan base has been poisoned with horrible owenerships , and their is little political will to give tax payer money away to build a stadium. It will be a long time before the Miami is even considered . Hopefully this gets worked out otherwise the Marlins will no longer exist

PLEASE FIRE LORIA AND GET A LATIN OWNER WHO CARES ABOUT SOUTH FLORIDA AND WILL MAKE IT WORK!!!!!

 

 

 

Because that will really make a difference. The majority of people in South Florida are Latin, and they don't come to the games. So what makes you think an owner being Latin will change things?

Who cares of his background. Arison is not latin, and he is a good owner. It would also make sense if Mickey was dumb, I mean, interested in buying the Marlins. Avoid references to owner by race, religion or background, please.

A friend of mine just finished an econometric analysis of the public good produced by top tier sports teams (MLB, NBA, NFL) and concluded that a pro sports franchise hurts the local economy. I'll try to get him to put the paper up on another site and link it here later.

 

I recall Forbes finding that the Marlins are the most profitable MLB team (before looking at TV network revenues.) I think Loria is just trying to play hardball until some idiotic group of legislators agrees to give him a stadium. He obviously has resources that he chooses not to use for the stadium issue if he indeed gave Yale $20M.

 

As far as Vegas goes, does anybody know how their attendance looks with the AAA club?

edit: They drew 5,162/game last year with a 9,334 seat capacity (~55%)

And how can MLB chastise a club for wanting to move to Vegas even though a AAA club has been there for years? I don't really see the issue other than the fact that opposing teams would show up hammered half the time.