just dont let ricky pitch against the mets for the love of god and a semi decent ERA!!!!!!!!!!!

I think Olsen is going to come up big tonight , lets not forget the guy did have a very good rookie season , and alot of young pitchers have sophmore jinxs

Naw, he's just being realistic in a pessimistic way.

 

people take things too seriously

Agreed.

 

I always feel that realism (even if it sounds pessimistic) is the more intelligent approach to take as opposed to blind optimism. There's nothing wrong with being supportive of a team, but making absurd blind comments makes one look foolish.

Naw, he's just being realistic in a pessimistic way.

 

people take things too seriously

Agreed.

 

I always feel that realism (even if it sounds pessimistic) is the more intelligent approach to take as opposed to blind optimism. There's nothing wrong with being supportive of a team, but making absurd blind comments makes one look foolish.

its not his realism or pessimism...its the fact he backs up his argument with name calling and insults...which is as classy as a kick in the nuts

I always feel that realism (even if it sounds pessimistic) is the more intelligent approach to take as opposed to blind optimism. There's nothing wrong with being supportive of a team, but making absurd blind comments makes one look foolish.

 

Realism (even if it sounds pessimistic) is fine. But absolute comments going in either direction (positive or negative) are not an intelligent approach. You can be a "nattering nabob of negativity" (score one for the generation of BroncoBob27 and Marlins2003) and have blind pessimism. Saying, "Andrew Miller- who hasn't thrown strikes since middle school. throwing 95+ doesn't make up for an inability to put it over the plate . . . . Miller's fastball and complete inability to throw a strike any time," is as ludricous as saying this 2008 incarnation of the Marlins can be a .500 team or that Miller and Maybin will DEFINITELY be better than Cabrera/Willis. Nobody knows that, just like NOBODY knows that Miller and Maybin will DEFINITELY be worse! Absolutes in either direction are bad.

 

The Marlins are what they are. While there are optimists (I won't call them blind optimists) and pessimists here, speaking in extreme absolutes is just plain stupid. So why don't we all just enjoy the ride, because baseball has finally returned from its winter slumber. Whether the Marlins win 80 or lose 100 will not affect my mood one bit. Just like whether the Marlins are the lead story on Baseball Tonight or are passed over for highlights of a Rays-Royals matinee will not affect my mood.

 

I'm not thinking about the Marlins record in August/September during the first week of the season, because it's pointless. Games need to be played. Nobody here would have thought of the 91 wins in 2003, just like nobody here would have thought of how disappointing the 2005 version of this team was. I truly look at things one day at a time, because that's the only way can see things. Right now the Fish are 1-2, no more, no less. You can say, "Oh, if such and such would have happened we'd be 3-0, or if such and such would have happened we'd be 0-3." Well, "such-and-such" never happened, and never happen, so just accept the here and now and don't worry about the final results -- because I know that the guys on the field aren't thinking about what their record will be in August. Maybe by the time I leave the stadium tonight, they'll be 2-2, or 1-3; and by the time I leave the park on Saturday night they can be 1-4, 2-3, or 3-2. The key there is that YOU DON'T KNOW, and if you claim that you DO then, "Shazam! You should just walk into the front office and demand that you are the only person for the job, because 'YOU KNOW!'"

 

I've said my peace, now just enjoy yourselves!

i know what this season going to be . but that wont make me not like team. our pitching staff is going to be ok and bullpen will call in alot game help save game if starter get big hole we all know this going happen untill pitcher have more games under their belt. that best their can do. i be supporter doing bad and good time like i done past few year

GMan's cool, long as he stays civil for the most part. Same as anyone else.

 

It would get boring if everyone were rah-rah all the time.

We may want to actually see a few times through before we announce our rotation as DOA

I always feel that realism (even if it sounds pessimistic) is the more intelligent approach to take as opposed to blind optimism. There's nothing wrong with being supportive of a team, but making absurd blind comments makes one look foolish.

 

Realism (even if it sounds pessimistic) is fine. But absolute comments going in either direction (positive or negative) are not an intelligent approach. You can be a "nattering nabob of negativity" (score one for the generation of BroncoBob27 and Marlins2003) and have blind pessimism. Saying, "Andrew Miller- who hasn't thrown strikes since middle school. throwing 95+ doesn't make up for an inability to put it over the plate . . . . Miller's fastball and complete inability to throw a strike any time," is as ludricous as saying this 2008 incarnation of the Marlins can be a .500 team or that Miller and Maybin will DEFINITELY be better than Cabrera/Willis. Nobody knows that, just like NOBODY knows that Miller and Maybin will DEFINITELY be worse! Absolutes in either direction are bad.

 

The Marlins are what they are. While there are optimists (I won't call them blind optimists) and pessimists here, speaking in extreme absolutes is just plain stupid. So why don't we all just enjoy the ride, because baseball has finally returned from its winter slumber. Whether the Marlins win 80 or lose 100 will not affect my mood one bit. Just like whether the Marlins are the lead story on Baseball Tonight or are passed over for highlights of a Rays-Royals matinee will not affect my mood.

 

I'm not thinking about the Marlins record in August/September during the first week of the season, because it's pointless. Games need to be played. Nobody here would have thought of the 91 wins in 2003, just like nobody here would have thought of how disappointing the 2005 version of this team was. I truly look at things one day at a time, because that's the only way can see things. Right now the Fish are 1-2, no more, no less. You can say, "Oh, if such and such would have happened we'd be 3-0, or if such and such would have happened we'd be 0-3." Well, "such-and-such" never happened, and never happen, so just accept the here and now and don't worry about the final results -- because I know that the guys on the field aren't thinking about what their record will be in August. Maybe by the time I leave the stadium tonight, they'll be 2-2, or 1-3; and by the time I leave the park on Saturday night they can be 1-4, 2-3, or 3-2. The key there is that YOU DON'T KNOW, and if you claim that you DO then, "Shazam! You should just walk into the front office and demand that you are the only person for the job, because 'YOU KNOW!'"

 

I've said my peace, now just enjoy yourselves!

 

 

:notworthy

Well said. :thumbup

I've disagreed with GarbageMan Abercrombie before but I still think he's a good poster.

 

I also don't think its an issue of pessimism. We all have different opinions and different POVs. And like him, I don't expect much out of our rotation, at least until it sees a few changes.

Saying, "Andrew Miller- who hasn't thrown strikes since middle school. throwing 95+ doesn't make up for an inability to put it over the plate . . . . Miller's fastball and complete inability to throw a strike any time," is as ludricous as saying this 2008 incarnation of the Marlins can be a .500 team...

I think what GB meant is that Miller has had control issues his entire career and if that's what he means then his comment is not at all ludicrous but to say this team can be a .500 team is ludicrous, in my humble opinion.

Saying, "Andrew Miller- who hasn't thrown strikes since middle school. throwing 95+ doesn't make up for an inability to put it over the plate . . . . Miller's fastball and complete inability to throw a strike any time," is as ludricous as saying this 2008 incarnation of the Marlins can be a .500 team...

I think what GB meant is that Miller has had control issues his entire career and if that's what he means then his comment is not at all ludicrous but to say this team can be a .500 team is ludicrous, in my humble opinion.

 

 

Just like it was "ludicrous" for the '06 team to be in the Wild Card race with a couple weeks left in September?...after an 11-31 start with a BUNCH OF ROOKIES on the field, basically?

 

It's not "ludicrous." It's just "difficult to imagine."

I believe the point trying to be made here is vastly more general than anything related to a particular player, rankings in the standings or events no one believed possible in the past -- and that is speaking definitively or categorically isn't helpful to debate, especially when someone is telling someone else that they are wrong, when a world of things could happen to change the outcome or the performance of a particular player.

 

We're not talking about someone correcting another's incorrect stat, for example George Sedano said on Opening Day, "Mike Jacobs better learn to hit lefties this year..." of course being so un-informed that he had no clue that Jacobs hit .290 against lefties last season, in fact better than righties. That's a factual error that deserves to be corrected, but when someone says " I think so and so can hit .300 this season..." and a sh*tstorm of criticism comes down on the guy for having an opinion it's counter-productive. Or saying so and so is "the worst ballplayer to ever wear a Marlins uniform", etc., there is no way to respond intelligently. "No he's not!". What good does that do?