He is pitching lights out and how long can we stick with Badenhop? Rotoworld said that if he isnt up by the end of may they will be shocked. When will he come up?

Hopefully after the all star break at the earliest.

Hopefully after the all star break at the earliest.

what. i say call him up now. he has shown that he can dominate double a. he isnt out of control and its not like he is just skating past innings and leaving men on base like a miller does. i say send badenhop down after thursday and bring him up after thursday. his ground ball to fly ball ratio is 3 to 1.

The problem is that we keep calling up guys who aren't ready.

 

First it was Vandy who had the problems, and it was "We need to call up Badenhop!". Now it's Hopper, and we need to call up Volstad. Then it's going to be "Call up Gaby!", then Thompson, then Tucker, then Sinkbiel, then De La Cruz.

 

And then someone is going to say "Hey, De La Cruz needs a trip to AA, how is VandenHurk doing?" and the cycle continues.

The problem is that we keep calling up guys who aren't ready.

 

First it was Vandy who had the problems, and it was "We need to call up Badenhop!". Now it's Hopper, and we need to call up Volstad. Then it's going to be "Call up Gaby!", then Thompson, then Tucker, then Sinkbiel, then De La Cruz.

 

And then someone is going to say "Hey, De La Cruz needs a trip to AA, how is VandenHurk doing?" and the cycle continues.

 

 

vandy isnt a top notch prospect and volstad is better than all those guys and is well polished

Volstad will not be called up until after that will accellerate his arbitration

Volstad will not be called up until after that will accellerate his arbitration

 

when will that be

How many times do we have to go over this.

 

The Marlins have a crappy payroll situation. They have to be very concerned with escalating payroll. You call up Volstad now, he hits arbitration in 2011. You call him up June 20th, he hits arbitration 2012. This is a big deal, even with the new stadium because it will allow us to keep other players with that money.

 

Just wait till July. Volstad, Anibal, Owens, Mitre, and maybe another of the AA/AAA class. Less than 2 months. Just wait.

We don't need him right now. Patience.

The problem is that we keep calling up guys who aren't ready.

 

First it was Vandy who had the problems, and it was "We need to call up Badenhop!". Now it's Hopper, and we need to call up Volstad. Then it's going to be "Call up Gaby!", then Thompson, then Tucker, then Sinkbiel, then De La Cruz.

 

And then someone is going to say "Hey, De La Cruz needs a trip to AA, how is VandenHurk doing?" and the cycle continues.

 

 

vandy isnt a top notch prospect and volstad is better than all those guys and is well polished

He's not as "top notch" as Miller is and he's struggling up here. Volstad's only started 12 games above High-A ball. I'd like to give him a bit more before calling him up.

The problem is that we keep calling up guys who aren't ready.

 

First it was Vandy who had the problems, and it was "We need to call up Badenhop!". Now it's Hopper, and we need to call up Volstad. Then it's going to be "Call up Gaby!", then Thompson, then Tucker, then Sinkbiel, then De La Cruz.

 

And then someone is going to say "Hey, De La Cruz needs a trip to AA, how is VandenHurk doing?" and the cycle continues.

 

 

vandy isnt a top notch prospect and volstad is better than all those guys and is well polished

He's not as "top notch" as Miller is and he's struggling up here. Volstad's only started 12 games above High-A ball. I'd like to give him a bit more before calling him up.

he is a top notch prospect and he is dominating in double a unlik miller who barely played aa.

The problem is that we keep calling up guys who aren't ready.

 

First it was Vandy who had the problems, and it was "We need to call up Badenhop!". Now it's Hopper, and we need to call up Volstad. Then it's going to be "Call up Gaby!", then Thompson, then Tucker, then Sinkbiel, then De La Cruz.

 

And then someone is going to say "Hey, De La Cruz needs a trip to AA, how is VandenHurk doing?" and the cycle continues.

 

 

vandy isnt a top notch prospect and volstad is better than all those guys and is well polished

He's not as "top notch" as Miller is and he's struggling up here. Volstad's only started 12 games above High-A ball. I'd like to give him a bit more before calling him up.

he is a top notch prospect and he is dominating in double a unlik miller who barely played aa.

I know that Volstad is a great prospect, but Miller was ranked higher than him, and while he didn't play much AA, he has been in the Majors since last May.

The problem is that we keep calling up guys who aren't ready.

 

First it was Vandy who had the problems, and it was "We need to call up Badenhop!". Now it's Hopper, and we need to call up Volstad. Then it's going to be "Call up Gaby!", then Thompson, then Tucker, then Sinkbiel, then De La Cruz.

 

And then someone is going to say "Hey, De La Cruz needs a trip to AA, how is VandenHurk doing?" and the cycle continues.

 

 

vandy isnt a top notch prospect and volstad is better than all those guys and is well polished

He's not as "top notch" as Miller is and he's struggling up here. Volstad's only started 12 games above High-A ball. I'd like to give him a bit more before calling him up.

he is a top notch prospect and he is dominating in double a unlik miller who barely played aa.

I know that Volstad is a great prospect, but Miller was ranked higher than him, and while he didn't play much AA, he has been in the Majors since last May.

because detroit had injuries an he hasnt been sent down because he is supposed to be so good.

This is more or less gonna be our lineup for awhile people, learn to live with it, because like Rab said, we just can't keep throwing guys against the wall up here to see if they stick... we can't to it financially or competitively

How many times do we have to go over this.

 

The Marlins have a crappy payroll situation. They have to be very concerned with escalating payroll. You call up Volstad now, he hits arbitration in 2011. You call him up June 20th, he hits arbitration 2012. This is a big deal, even with the new stadium because it will allow us to keep other players with that money.

 

Just wait till July. Volstad, Anibal, Owens, Mitre, and maybe another of the AA/AAA class. Less than 2 months. Just wait.

 

Makes sense of course. The more I hear u talk about how it all works, the more I understand.

 

Good info to know :thumbup

because detroit had injuries an he hasnt been sent down because he is supposed to be so good.

None the less, Miller has been playing pro-ball since 2004, a year more than Volstad, and is has been rated higher than him on most prospect lists (all that I can find, but there might be one out there that says otherwise). Miller is struggling and there is nothing to say that Volstad is ready.

because detroit had injuries an he hasnt been sent down because he is supposed to be so good.

None the less, Miller has been playing pro-ball since 2004, a year more than Volstad, and is has been rated higher than him on most prospect lists (all that I can find, but there might be one out there that says otherwise). Miller is struggling and there is nothing to say that Volstad is ready.

You won't find any prospect lists out there with Volstad ahead of Miller. At one time Volstad was projected to be an elite prospect. His velocity never grew with him filling out. Now most scouts think he'll just be solid 4/5 innings eater. He's has never been unhittable at any level. If you look at his k/9 and h/9 they are no where near an elite prospects. And even with his good control, he's never been able to crack a sub-1.30 whip at any level with a considerable amount of innings.

 

Then you have a hard throwing lefty like Miller, who if he gains his controll can be unhittable. Its really hard to compare Millers minor league career with Volstad because he never had a long stint in any level and was rushed earlier in his career. While Miller's control has never been great hes had it to the point where he's able to let his stuff take care of its self. high k/9 and low h/9. Even with a lot of walks he'll be able to achieve a sub-1.30 whip. If you've watched the games this year, you can see if he gets his breaking balls over, and doesn't have to rely on TOO many fastballs he is more than effective. I'd rely more on Miller regaining his control a little than Volstad gaining more velocity or movement, considering hes all over the strike zone and control isn't a problem.

His velocity never grew with him filling out. Now most scouts think he'll just be solid 4/5 innings eater. He's has never been unhittable at any level. If you look at his k/9 and h/9 they are no where near an elite prospects. And even with his good control, he's never been able to crack a sub-1.30 whip at any level with a considerable amount of innings.

His 75 IP in AA is like a 1.15 whip at this point (guesstimating), including him obliterating people tonight. He's coming into his own. He has been young at every level, which is very notable compared to his (and the rest of those young starters) success. Your facts are totally wrong. What scouts say is he is the 40thish best prospect overall in baseball. A 3rd starter, is the lowe (pun intended! And how appropriate he pitched tonight). It is doubtful he will be Webb because he is just flat out amazing, but Volstad could very very easily turn into "Brad Radke without the crazy HR numbers," which is an incredible pitcher. I can't wait for him to come up this summer and be a rock in the rotation for years. This dude ain't Jeremy Sowers.

 

I agree with you in un-quoted sections that Miller has more upside and should be the better pitcher when all is said and done because he has the pure stuff, but Volstad is not a chump. If you want to talk 4/5, let's talk Gaby Hernandez and Aaron Thompson. Let's keep Volstad out of that discussion.

His velocity never grew with him filling out. Now most scouts think he'll just be solid 4/5 innings eater. He's has never been unhittable at any level. If you look at his k/9 and h/9 they are no where near an elite prospects. And even with his good control, he's never been able to crack a sub-1.30 whip at any level with a considerable amount of innings.

His 75 IP in AA is like a 1.15 whip at this point (guesstimating), including him obliterating people tonight. He's coming into his own. He has been young at every level, which is very notable compared to his (and the rest of those young starters) success. Your facts are totally wrong. What scouts say is he is the 40thish best prospect overall in baseball. A 3rd starter, is the lowe (pun intended! And how appropriate he pitched tonight). It is doubtful he will be Webb because he is just flat out amazing, but Volstad could very very easily turn into "Brad Radke without the crazy HR numbers," which is an incredible pitcher. I can't wait for him to come up this summer and be a rock in the rotation for years. This dude ain't Jeremy Sowers.

 

I agree with you in un-quoted sections that Miller has more upside and should be the better pitcher when all is said and done because he has the pure stuff, but Volstad is not a chump. If you want to talk 4/5, let's talk Gaby Hernandez and Aaron Thompson. Let's keep Volstad out of that discussion.

Dude his last full season he gave up 26 more hits than innings pitched. don't get me wrong, a 40th best pitcher in the minor leagues would most likely project into a solid # 3/4 starter. But elite? Maybe elite is relative but I would see elite as Cueto, Miller, McGee, ect. Yes, he was young at all levels, but he hasn't really thrown up any surprising numbers over a long haul that would lead me to believe he will blow anyone away in the majors.

because detroit had injuries an he hasnt been sent down because he is supposed to be so good.

None the less, Miller has been playing pro-ball since 2004, a year more than Volstad, and is has been rated higher than him on most prospect lists (all that I can find, but there might be one out there that says otherwise). Miller is struggling and there is nothing to say that Volstad is ready.

 

Actually, I'd have to say that there's everything to indicate Volstad is ready.

because detroit had injuries an he hasnt been sent down because he is supposed to be so good.

None the less, Miller has been playing pro-ball since 2004, a year more than Volstad, and is has been rated higher than him on most prospect lists (all that I can find, but there might be one out there that says otherwise). Miller is struggling and there is nothing to say that Volstad is ready.

 

Actually, I'd have to say that there's everything to indicate Volstad is ready.

And everything would be what? A few good months in AA?

because detroit had injuries an he hasnt been sent down because he is supposed to be so good.

None the less, Miller has been playing pro-ball since 2004, a year more than Volstad, and is has been rated higher than him on most prospect lists (all that I can find, but there might be one out there that says otherwise). Miller is struggling and there is nothing to say that Volstad is ready.

 

Actually, I'd have to say that there's everything to indicate Volstad is ready.

And everything would be what? A few good months in AA?

 

He's performed at every single level he's played. He has the stuff, he has the control, he has the poise. What else can you ask from the kid? He's done everything he's supposed to.

His velocity never grew with him filling out. Now most scouts think he'll just be solid 4/5 innings eater. He's has never been unhittable at any level. If you look at his k/9 and h/9 they are no where near an elite prospects. And even with his good control, he's never been able to crack a sub-1.30 whip at any level with a considerable amount of innings.

His 75 IP in AA is like a 1.15 whip at this point (guesstimating), including him obliterating people tonight. He's coming into his own. He has been young at every level, which is very notable compared to his (and the rest of those young starters) success. Your facts are totally wrong. What scouts say is he is the 40thish best prospect overall in baseball. A 3rd starter, is the lowe (pun intended! And how appropriate he pitched tonight). It is doubtful he will be Webb because he is just flat out amazing, but Volstad could very very easily turn into "Brad Radke without the crazy HR numbers," which is an incredible pitcher. I can't wait for him to come up this summer and be a rock in the rotation for years. This dude ain't Jeremy Sowers.

 

I agree with you in un-quoted sections that Miller has more upside and should be the better pitcher when all is said and done because he has the pure stuff, but Volstad is not a chump. If you want to talk 4/5, let's talk Gaby Hernandez and Aaron Thompson. Let's keep Volstad out of that discussion.

Dude his last full season he gave up 26 more hits than innings pitched. don't get me wrong, a 40th best pitcher in the minor leagues would most likely project into a solid # 3/4 starter. But elite? Maybe elite is relative but I would see elite as Cueto, Miller, McGee, ect. Yes, he was young at all levels, but he hasn't really thrown up any surprising numbers over a long haul that would lead me to believe he will blow anyone away in the majors.

 

Let's not include Cueto in elite prospect talks. Yeah, he is doing pretty well, but he was not considered the elite prospect, that was supposed to be Homer Bailey. The fact that Cueto wasn't considered an elite prospect yet Homer Bailey and Andrew MIller are kind of shows how even top prospect lists are crapshoots.

His velocity never grew with him filling out. Now most scouts think he'll just be solid 4/5 innings eater. He's has never been unhittable at any level. If you look at his k/9 and h/9 they are no where near an elite prospects. And even with his good control, he's never been able to crack a sub-1.30 whip at any level with a considerable amount of innings.

His 75 IP in AA is like a 1.15 whip at this point (guesstimating), including him obliterating people tonight. He's coming into his own. He has been young at every level, which is very notable compared to his (and the rest of those young starters) success. Your facts are totally wrong. What scouts say is he is the 40thish best prospect overall in baseball. A 3rd starter, is the lowe (pun intended! And how appropriate he pitched tonight). It is doubtful he will be Webb because he is just flat out amazing, but Volstad could very very easily turn into "Brad Radke without the crazy HR numbers," which is an incredible pitcher. I can't wait for him to come up this summer and be a rock in the rotation for years. This dude ain't Jeremy Sowers.

 

I agree with you in un-quoted sections that Miller has more upside and should be the better pitcher when all is said and done because he has the pure stuff, but Volstad is not a chump. If you want to talk 4/5, let's talk Gaby Hernandez and Aaron Thompson. Let's keep Volstad out of that discussion.

Dude his last full season he gave up 26 more hits than innings pitched. don't get me wrong, a 40th best pitcher in the minor leagues would most likely project into a solid # 3/4 starter. But elite? Maybe elite is relative but I would see elite as Cueto, Miller, McGee, ect. Yes, he was young at all levels, but he hasn't really thrown up any surprising numbers over a long haul that would lead me to believe he will blow anyone away in the majors.

 

Let's not include Cueto in elite prospect talks. Yeah, he is doing pretty well, but he was not considered the elite prospect, that was supposed to be Homer Bailey. The fact that Cueto wasn't considered an elite prospect yet Homer Bailey and Andrew MIller are kind of shows how even top prospect lists are crapshoots.

At 22, I consider what Cueto has done to classify him as elite. Less hits than innings pitched in every level of pro ball but Rookie league over three years. Excellent BB/9, 1.10 Whip in three seasons. Those dwarf any of Volstads numbers, if Cuetos not even elite, Volstad shouldn't be in the same discussion.

His velocity never grew with him filling out. Now most scouts think he'll just be solid 4/5 innings eater. He's has never been unhittable at any level. If you look at his k/9 and h/9 they are no where near an elite prospects. And even with his good control, he's never been able to crack a sub-1.30 whip at any level with a considerable amount of innings.

His 75 IP in AA is like a 1.15 whip at this point (guesstimating), including him obliterating people tonight. He's coming into his own. He has been young at every level, which is very notable compared to his (and the rest of those young starters) success. Your facts are totally wrong. What scouts say is he is the 40thish best prospect overall in baseball. A 3rd starter, is the lowe (pun intended! And how appropriate he pitched tonight). It is doubtful he will be Webb because he is just flat out amazing, but Volstad could very very easily turn into "Brad Radke without the crazy HR numbers," which is an incredible pitcher. I can't wait for him to come up this summer and be a rock in the rotation for years. This dude ain't Jeremy Sowers.

 

I agree with you in un-quoted sections that Miller has more upside and should be the better pitcher when all is said and done because he has the pure stuff, but Volstad is not a chump. If you want to talk 4/5, let's talk Gaby Hernandez and Aaron Thompson. Let's keep Volstad out of that discussion.

Dude his last full season he gave up 26 more hits than innings pitched. don't get me wrong, a 40th best pitcher in the minor leagues would most likely project into a solid # 3/4 starter. But elite? Maybe elite is relative but I would see elite as Cueto, Miller, McGee, ect. Yes, he was young at all levels, but he hasn't really thrown up any surprising numbers over a long haul that would lead me to believe he will blow anyone away in the majors.

 

Let's not include Cueto in elite prospect talks. Yeah, he is doing pretty well, but he was not considered the elite prospect, that was supposed to be Homer Bailey. The fact that Cueto wasn't considered an elite prospect yet Homer Bailey and Andrew MIller are kind of shows how even top prospect lists are crapshoots.

Alot of people had Cueto as an elite prospect.