Someone needs to explain to me how Hermida deserves a long-term contract more than Uggla as of right now. I like Hermida's bat but...

 

That's because some people here seem to think they can project perfectly how a player is going to turn out. Maybin is a hall of famer, Hermida is the best right fielder in the National League, the list of ridiculous assumptions goes on. If the Marlins think Hermida is going to be the player that people here seem to think he is going to be, they will lock him up. But as Beinfest has said he hasn't really recommended anyone other than Hanley so who knows what he's thinking. I tend to believe Admin is pretty smart and wants to see more production from these prospects before he wants to throw money at them.

Someone needs to explain to me how Hermida deserves a long-term contract more than Uggla as of right now. I like Hermida's bat but...

 

Oh and for all the people who keep saying Uggla has reached his full potential or has already topped off, you guys make it sound like he has a short ceiling or something. His may be in his prime, but he sure as hell is playing great. What more can you ask of him. Even his defense has improved from past years. I would imagine this is the kind of stuff you would want from someone in his prime cause it's more than satisfying. His age should be the only concern.

 

 

BINGO

 

You also have to consider that Hermida was THE #1 prospect in all of baseball, at one point.

And yes...ever since the 2nd half of last year, and now early on this year, people seem to be underrating Hermida's bat...a bat that is ONLY 24 years old. USUALLY, players tend to get better when they're 24...unlike Uggla (who's in his prime).

 

And lets not sugarcoat it...Uggla's been as inconsistent as anyone, as a hitter. I remember him K'ing a lot last year, and having a horrible .OBP, and he's HORRIBLE with men on base (unless if he's really HOT, as he is now).

Someone needs to explain to me how Hermida deserves a long-term contract more than Uggla as of right now. I like Hermida's bat but...

 

That's because some people here seem to think they can project perfectly how a player is going to turn out. Maybin is a hall of famer, Hermida is the best right fielder in the National League, the list of ridiculous assumptions goes on. If the Marlins think Hermida is going to be the player that people here seem to think he is going to be, they will lock him up. But as Beinfest has said he hasn't really recommended anyone other than Hanley so who knows what he's thinking. I tend to believe Admin is pretty smart and wants to see more production from these prospects before he wants to throw money at them.

 

exactly...no one is worried (certainly not me). I'm just saying who I'd sign. Everyone has the right to an opinion, no?

Most power hitters are streaky hitters. Even Hanley is struggling right now, and he's the guy we gave the big contract.

Most power hitters are streaky hitters. Even Hanley is struggling right now, and he's the guy we gave the big contract.

 

 

Lets not even compare any player on this team to Hanley Ramirez.

When Hanley struggles, it'll take him about 20 AB's to snap out of it.

 

Uggla was invisible for MONTHS last year. Same could be said for Hermida, and inconsistencies.

 

Hanley Ramirez is a special ballplayer, and that's why Admin Beinfest has signed him and him only.

So what? Alfonso Soriano started out the year hitting below .200. Do you think he's not worth a long deal? I think the Cubs fans probably went from wanting to trade him to loving him again. There might be some odd talents in baseball who DON'T slump, but those are rare. Very rare. Even Chase Utley, the guy everyone went gaga over, is in a slump right now. I think its unfair you single out Uggla for this.

The only way i'm buying a Marlins jersey is if they lock up Uggla to a 5-7 year deal. Nuff said.

Uggla is not gettin a 5 year deal from anyone!

This argument is ludicrous on its face. You're arguing we should trade (high) the best hitter on the team who is on a track to smash all kinds of records and has a good shot at going to this summer's ASG with Hanley if he stays anywhere near the pace he's on so far (not the last three weeks, the season as a whole). He could end the season with close to 200 hits, sixty doubles and 40+ homeruns (the math is really 50+ but even I believe that may be out of reach), 100+ RBIs (the math is 120) and maybe 400 total bases. But some would emasculate the Marlins so some dubious prospect who will probably hit less homeruns in his career than Dan will this season can have a chance to play. (Coughlan has a grand total of one homerun so far this season. With luck he'll make a nice leadoff hitting outfielder by the time he makes it to the bigs or if Uggla **becomes** a fixture at third, a second baseman) :banghead

 

Uggla and Jacobs are both cut of the same cloth, overachievers. It's almost comical that some here think they are maxed out or over the hill. Mark Grudzielanek who is either leading or close to leading the AL in batting is almost 38 years old and in his thirteenth year in the bigs, and I think we all saw what that 2nd baseman did to these Fish this weekend (5-10). Mike Lowell, just to throw out a local name, is thirty-four and going strong, is in his tenth major league season. But Uggla at 27 "is in his prime", implying this is as good as he gets and maybe it's downhill from here, is ridiculous when you look at not just the two players a cited above but the number of players playing well into their late thirties (nevermind even their early thirties where a five year contract would take Uggla) and even forties currently starting everyday in MLB.

 

The transformation in Uggla's plate approach isn't happening by accident and that is what most are missing here. He isn't "hot" in the streaky sense, he's getting better because he listened to Presley and reworked his plate presence. I'm amazed that's lost on people. If people would just go back and look at film from last summer, to last fall, to early in the season and now, the changes should jump out at you.

 

I could do through the same exercise with Jacobs (to a lesser degree) but why bother? What is apparent to anyone who actually watches their play is that both of them are just beginning to hit their stride and rightfully, if they continue doing anything close to what they're doing ought to be seeking multi-year deals. Certainly without question Uggla.

 

One last thing. For those of you who are always looking for more and more prospects that might have some value down the road, you go tell Hanley Ramirez everything he said yesterday was bullsh*t, that thinking this is a playoff contender and this season has value, and there's a reason to go out there everyday between now and October trying to win. You go tell him that he's playing without a purpose. (Let the rest of us know how that works out for you and Hanley)

 

Because you trade Uggla (or any number of other "key" players) away at the break and that's exactly what you're doing. There will be trades, and not just fringe players, everyone knows that, but the more competitive we are and the better "a" Chris Coghlan plays the better chance he or one or more of his teammates will be the ones being moved and not Dan Uggla. Maybe it will be Sanchez or one or more of the pitchers working their way through the system but history suggests that while the 25 man roster will be shaken up, part of that will be accomplished by trading youth (read minorleaguers).

in 41 games uggla has 30 rbis, 13 homers, and a 1.062 ops

and he plays second base

 

why do you guys act like he's so disposable?

He just is...I love Uggla more than most, I love the HR power but you also forgot last season it got pretty bad with the lows in reference to strikeouts, and long slumps. When he is hot he is awesome but when he is cold...well enough of u were asking for his head on a platter. I feel he is a very good player regardless. His glove is good his effort is always 100%. However he is average defensively in reference to the rest of the league at 2nd base. I believe he will be like Jeff Kent who improved defensively with age. The main problem with Uggla is the Highs are very High but the lows are extremely low as well. I feel the power he has is enough to always keep him in the lineup but many in baseball would worry about his streakiness as a hitter. As I said before many of you guys were singing a different toon last year as well

2003 has a point. Uggla has reworked his plate approach. You can't really compare what he's doing now to last year or even earlier this year. Let's see how he finishes. I mean we all knew Uggla was going to get hot, but did you EVER expect to see him bat over .300? I think thats pretty incredible for a guy who was struggling so badly earlier.

Eddie, how about you go and try to find some multimedia clips of Uggla at the plate last season and this. I promise you, you know what to look for, you'll see the enormous transformation that's taken place.

 

This isn't luck, this isn't a fluke, this is a guy who is driven to cash in, and if it means going to school with Presley, he's determined to do it. He's sees what Hanley just got, he's been talking about the importance of this season to his career and his economic well-being since before spring training started. The man is on a mission.

Chris Coghlan has the power of Juan Pierre.I'll take Uggla over Coghlan anyday.These arguments of trading our second best player are really stupid.

Uggla's 2006 May OPS: .910

Uggla's 2007 May OPS: 1.005!

 

May is far and away his best month. He's always done good in May. This is by no means Uggla hate but I'd rather wait longer before crowning him.

 

Yes, his approach has changed. But how long did it take? Being successful in the majors means constantly making adjustments.

 

It's GREAT to see him doing this but I'd rather wait until he's done it longer before buying into it.

Uggla's 2006 May OPS: .910

Uggla's 2007 May OPS: 1.005!

 

May is far and away his best month. He's always done good in May. This is by no means Uggla hate but I'd rather wait longer before crowning him.

 

Yes, his approach has changed. But how long did it take? Being successful in the majors means constantly making adjustments.

 

It's GREAT to see him doing this but I'd rather wait until he's done it longer before buying into it.

 

Actually it's more like this:

 

His line in May 2006

 

.356/.402/.508/.910

 

His line in May 2007

 

.307/.391/.614/1.005

 

His line in May 2008

 

.423/.508/1.058/1.566

 

BTW his SLG in May 2008 is higher than his OPS in 2007.

Those are the numbers I posted.

Those are the numbers I posted.

 

I didn't say you were inaccurate. I just provided a bigger picture so the numbers had some context.

...and I'd still take a 24 year old Jeremy Hermida over a 27 year old Dan Uggla.

 

How come Hermida isn't deserving, while Uggla's inconsistencies are (Uggla who is 3 years older)?

Check Hermida's offensive stats dating back to post All-Star break last year dating to this year, where he's hitting over .300, as well...

 

Where was Uggla at the age of 24?

Ask any scout...

 

listen, if it was up to me, BOTH would get signed. The Marlins, unfortunately, aren't the Yankees, so we have to pick our players wisely.

 

...and also add in the fact, that as of right now, if you trade Uggla, you can get all team needs in 1 trade.

 

So why not keep Hermida (who still has upside), and trade Uggla to get team needs, when you have a prospect 2B, who should be ready by next year?

 

B/c while Uggla is hot now, if I post his situational #'s dating back to last year (a MUCH better sample size)...I think we'll all regret signing Uggla for 5 years.

So what? Alfonso Soriano started out the year hitting below .200. Do you think he's not worth a long deal? I think the Cubs fans probably went from wanting to trade him to loving him again. There might be some odd talents in baseball who DON'T slump, but those are rare. Very rare. Even Chase Utley, the guy everyone went gaga over, is in a slump right now. I think its unfair you single out Uggla for this.

 

 

a) I don't think Soriano is worth what he got.

 

b) Comparing Dan Uggla to the consistent Chase Utley is laughable. Over the course of a 162 game season, Utley simply puts up better #'s.

...and I'd still take a 24 year old Jeremy Hermida over a 27 year old Dan Uggla.

 

How come Hermida isn't deserving, while Uggla's inconsistencies are (Uggla who is 3 years older)?

Check Hermida's offensive stats dating back to post All-Star break last year dating to this year, where he's hitting over .300, as well...

 

Where was Uggla at the age of 24?

Ask any scout...

 

listen, if it was up to me, BOTH would get signed. The Marlins, unfortunately, aren't the Yankees, so we have to pick our players wisely.

 

...and also add in the fact, that as of right now, if you trade Uggla, you can get all team needs in 1 trade.

 

So why not keep Hermida (who still has upside), and trade Uggla to get team needs, when you have a prospect 2B, who should be ready by next year?

 

B/c while Uggla is hot now, if I post his situational #'s dating back to last year (a MUCH better sample size)...I think we'll all regret signing Uggla for 5 years.

I'm not contesting that Hermida shouldn't be signed.I'm saying Uggla should be first priority.Uggla at 27 is by no means old.

 

The Phillies should trade Jimmy Rollins because he is 29 and to old.Chase Utley should be traded also because he is 29 and old.Ryan Howard needs to be gone.Mark Teixeira just needs to retire.

...and I'd still take a 24 year old Jeremy Hermida over a 27 year old Dan Uggla.

 

How come Hermida isn't deserving, while Uggla's inconsistencies are (Uggla who is 3 years older)?

Check Hermida's offensive stats dating back to post All-Star break last year dating to this year, where he's hitting over .300, as well...

 

Where was Uggla at the age of 24?

Ask any scout...

 

listen, if it was up to me, BOTH would get signed. The Marlins, unfortunately, aren't the Yankees, so we have to pick our players wisely.

 

...and also add in the fact, that as of right now, if you trade Uggla, you can get all team needs in 1 trade.

 

So why not keep Hermida (who still has upside), and trade Uggla to get team needs, when you have a prospect 2B, who should be ready by next year?

 

B/c while Uggla is hot now, if I post his situational #'s dating back to last year (a MUCH better sample size)...I think we'll all regret signing Uggla for 5 years.

I'm not contesting that Hermida shouldn't be signed.I'm saying Uggla should be first priority.Uggla at 27 is by no means old.

 

The Phillies should trade Jimmy Rollins because he is 29 and to old.Chase Utley should be traded also because he is 29 and old.Ryan Howard should be traded also.Mark Teixeira just needs to retire.

 

it's funny how you compare Uggla to those players, just b/c he's had a hot month.

 

Ryan Howard is capable of hitting 50+ HR's.

 

Jimmy Rollins is a GG caliber SS, who won the MVP last year (although he wasn't deserving, he was a clear candidate)

 

Chase Utley is the best 2B in baseball

 

Mark Teixiera is a gold glove 1B - and for what it's worth, if a team gives Teixiera a 5 year contract this offseason, they'd be stupid to do so.

I'm not contesting that Hermida shouldn't be signed.I'm saying Uggla should be first priority.Uggla at 27 is by no means old.

 

The Phillies should trade Jimmy Rollins because he is 29 and to old.Chase Utley should be traded also because he is 29 and old.Ryan Howard needs to be gone.Mark Teixeira just needs to retire.

 

The Phillies can afford to sign all those players, and to some extent can "afford" to make mistakes... we CANNOT... if the Phillies were in our financial shoes.. there is ZERO doubt that Howard would have been gone pre-huge arbitration... same may be said of Utley, and Rollins would most certainly not be getting 8M a year

...and I'd still take a 24 year old Jeremy Hermida over a 27 year old Dan Uggla.

 

How come Hermida isn't deserving, while Uggla's inconsistencies are (Uggla who is 3 years older)?

Check Hermida's offensive stats dating back to post All-Star break last year dating to this year, where he's hitting over .300, as well...

 

Where was Uggla at the age of 24?

Ask any scout...

 

listen, if it was up to me, BOTH would get signed. The Marlins, unfortunately, aren't the Yankees, so we have to pick our players wisely.

 

...and also add in the fact, that as of right now, if you trade Uggla, you can get all team needs in 1 trade.

 

So why not keep Hermida (who still has upside), and trade Uggla to get team needs, when you have a prospect 2B, who should be ready by next year?

 

B/c while Uggla is hot now, if I post his situational #'s dating back to last year (a MUCH better sample size)...I think we'll all regret signing Uggla for 5 years.

I'm not contesting that Hermida shouldn't be signed.I'm saying Uggla should be first priority.Uggla at 27 is by no means old.

 

The Phillies should trade Jimmy Rollins because he is 29 and to old.Chase Utley should be traded also because he is 29 and old.Ryan Howard should be traded also.Mark Teixeira just needs to retire.

 

it's funny how you compare Uggla to those players, just b/c he's had a hot month.

 

Ryan Howard is capable of hitting 50+ HR's.

 

Jimmy Rollins is a GG caliber SS, who won the MVP last year (although he wasn't deserving, he was a clear candidate)

 

Chase Utley is the best 2B in baseball

 

Mark Teixiera is a gold glove 1B - and for what it's worth, if a team gives Teixiera a 5 year contract this offseason, they'd be stupid to do so.

Im not comparing Uggla to those players.Im showing you that age is not an issue.Uggla has many seasons left.

...and I'd still take a 24 year old Jeremy Hermida over a 27 year old Dan Uggla.

 

How come Hermida isn't deserving, while Uggla's inconsistencies are (Uggla who is 3 years older)?

Check Hermida's offensive stats dating back to post All-Star break last year dating to this year, where he's hitting over .300, as well...

 

Where was Uggla at the age of 24?

Ask any scout...

 

listen, if it was up to me, BOTH would get signed. The Marlins, unfortunately, aren't the Yankees, so we have to pick our players wisely.

 

...and also add in the fact, that as of right now, if you trade Uggla, you can get all team needs in 1 trade.

 

So why not keep Hermida (who still has upside), and trade Uggla to get team needs, when you have a prospect 2B, who should be ready by next year?

 

B/c while Uggla is hot now, if I post his situational #'s dating back to last year (a MUCH better sample size)...I think we'll all regret signing Uggla for 5 years.

I'm not contesting that Hermida shouldn't be signed.I'm saying Uggla should be first priority.Uggla at 27 is by no means old.

 

The Phillies should trade Jimmy Rollins because he is 29 and to old.Chase Utley should be traded also because he is 29 and old.Ryan Howard should be traded also.Mark Teixeira just needs to retire.

 

it's funny how you compare Uggla to those players, just b/c he's had a hot month.

 

Ryan Howard is capable of hitting 50+ HR's.

 

Jimmy Rollins is a GG caliber SS, who won the MVP last year (although he wasn't deserving, he was a clear candidate)

 

Chase Utley is the best 2B in baseball

 

Mark Teixiera is a gold glove 1B - and for what it's worth, if a team gives Teixiera a 5 year contract this offseason, they'd be stupid to do so.

Im not comparing Uggla to those players.Im showing you that age is not an issue.Uggla has many seasons left.

 

 

...and Hermida has more seasons left.

 

How about this? (since he's doing well this year, I'm sure people will jump on the wagon here too)...why would you take Dan Uggla over Scott Olsen at this point?

 

-Olsen is a pitcher; more valuable

-Olsen is proving himself (just like Uggla)

-Olsen (just like Hermida) has more upside than Uggla.

 

So why should Uggla be the "2nd priority" right now?

Actually considering how injury prone Hermida has been since he came into the League I'm not sure anyone can make a defintive argument that his career will be any longer, or even as long as Uggla's who has played relatively injury free for three years.

Uggla is under Marlin's contractual control, I believe for 2 more seasons anyway. I just don't see the Marlins doing anything longterm for him right now. If he ends up hitting .300 with 40 hrs and over 90 RBIs then this offseason will be a different story altogether