What is SO special about Dan Uggla?

He's been the Marlins best run producer sans Miguel Cabrera since he's been here.

 

 

b/c he's had the MOST opportunities, I'd bet.

If we're going by this (clutch run producer), the answer is Josh Willingham.

 

The only special thing about Uggla is his power (for his position).

Coghlan doesn't have the power Uggla has, but all scouting reports indicate for a better average, better .OBP, and more speed for Coghlan.

 

Coghlan, once again, is still young.

 

Even if Coghlan doesn't give us half of what Uggla gives us in power, does this team really "need" power? Hitting HR's is what this team excels at.

That's another great thing about Uggla. Unlike Hermida, Jacobs, AND Willingham, he hasn't missed long stretches during the season due to injury. GO UGGLA!! :cool Are you gonna fault him for that?

 

Great for Coghlan, I hope he can learn to play 3rd.

Do you seriously want to see Dan Uggla till he's 33, 34, 35?? What is SO special about Dan Uggla?

See there's your problem.You seem to have a stupid belief that Uggla is just a mediocre player and that he will age uncommonley bad and early.Teams would love Uggla at second base for 5-6 more seasons after 2008.

 

Uggla has many years left kiddo :thumbup

 

 

Don't call me "kiddo;"

funny how you called me silly not so long ago today, and disappeared when I posted stats from last year.

 

I'm not saying Uggla sucks. I'm just saying he's not as special, as some of you guys are making him out to be (stats prove this). And at the age of 28, how MUCH BETTER (Key word: "better") can he really get?

 

My 2nd point is that we don't have a replacement for Hermida; we have a replacement for Uggla (his name is Chris Coghlan). He's pretty talented; we didn't draft Coghlan to be Uggla's waterboy. Coghlan didn't make the Top 100 prospects list b/c people felt sorry for him. And bottom line is, if you trade Uggla, you'll get team needs (as opposed to trading an unproven Coghlan right now).

 

When it happens...you'll comeback and see what I'm talking about. Uggla will not be here when he's due for big money (like Hanley was). Hermida will.

What is SO special about Dan Uggla?

He's been the Marlins best run producer sans Miguel Cabrera since he's been here.

 

 

b/c he's had the MOST opportunities, I'd bet.

If we're going by this (clutch run producer), the answer is Josh Willingham.

 

The only special thing about Uggla is his power (for his position).

Coghlan doesn't have the power Uggla has, but all scouting reports indicate for a better average, better .OBP, and more speed for Coghlan.

 

Coghlan, once again, is still young.

 

Even if Coghlan doesn't give us half of what Uggla gives us in power, does this team really "need" power? Hitting HR's is what this team excels at.

That's another great thing about Uggla. Unlike Hermida, Jacobs, AND Willingham, he hasn't missed long stretches during the season due to injury. GO UGGLA!! :cool Are you gonna fault him for that?

 

Great for Coghlan, I hope he can learn to play 3rd.

 

 

And?

So b/c Hermida's had some flukish injuries in the past, that means he'll never stay healthy?

 

You hope Coghlan can play 3rd? That's nice...I guess we drafted Matt Dominguez for no reason, now.

I'm not saying Uggla sucks. I'm just saying he's not as special, as some of you guys are making him out to be (stats prove this). And at the age of 28, how MUCH BETTER (Key word: "better") can he really get?

 

Actually, stats prove he special. He's on an upward trend and he is going to be better and he is a guy we are going to want for 2011-2014 at least. That is a 6 year buy out.

Just give it up.Your arguement is really tiresome.The vast majority disagree with you.Bashing a teams second best player and saying he doesn't deserve to be here 4-5 seasons down the road is a joke.

I'm not saying Uggla sucks. I'm just saying he's not as special, as some of you guys are making him out to be (stats prove this). And at the age of 28, how MUCH BETTER (Key word: "better") can he really get?

 

Actually, stats prove he special. He's on an upward trend and he is going to be better and he is a guy we are going to want for 2011-2014 at least. That is a 6 year buy out.

 

 

2014? If by "we," you mean "you," that is fine by me.

B/c I don't want Uggla in 2014...heck, I'm not even sure I want Uggla in 2011.

 

This is like Kevin Gregg...we have replacements; no use in keeping him.

 

...and his stats prove that he (Uggla) is NOT that special.

"Special" is Hanley Ramirez.

 

A .199 average with .RISP is not "special."

A .133 average with .RISP & 2 outs is not "special."

A .326 .OBP is not "special."

160 + K's is not "special."

 

 

Uggla is a STREAKY hitter...he is on a hot streak now. When he's hot, he's HOT. But watch out b/c when he goes cold...well, you know the story by now.

And?

So b/c Hermida's had some flukish injuries in the past, that means he'll never stay healthy?

 

You hope Coghlan can play 3rd? That's nice...I guess we drafted Matt Dominguez for no reason, now.

Ok... when Dominguez shows he's ready to come up and hit major league pitching (which should be a few years down the road) I will be welcoming his excellent defensive skills with open arms. I've been craving a good defensive third baseman ever since Cabrera took over for a Lowell. The point I'm making is that I don't REALLY hope Coghlan can play 3rd... I was joking. He couldn't produce enough offensively to be a 3rd baseman.

 

I just want Uggla to keep producing the way he is so he can warrant a long-term contract. You should be hoping he continues to do well too.... right?

Just give it up.Your arguement is really tiresome.The vast majority disagree with you.Bashing a teams second best player and saying he doesn't deserve to be here 4-5 seasons down the road is a joke.

 

 

Your counterarguments are awesome.

 

Almost as awesome as when you get excited when we win, and then go on to call the team a fluke on the gamethreads when we go on a 2 or 3 game losing streak.

 

Clearly, potential is not a word in your vocabulary.

 

Don't worry...in 4-5 years, you'll remember this thread.

 

If Uggla is HERE in 4-5 years, I'll be SHOCKED.

And?

So b/c Hermida's had some flukish injuries in the past, that means he'll never stay healthy?

 

You hope Coghlan can play 3rd? That's nice...I guess we drafted Matt Dominguez for no reason, now.

Ok... when Dominguez shows he's ready to come up and hit major league pitching (which should be a few years down the road) I will be welcoming his excellent defensive skills with open arms. I've been craving a good defensive third baseman ever since Cabrera took over for a Lowell. The point I'm making is that I don't REALLY hope Coghlan can play 3rd... I was joking. He couldn't produce enough offensively to be a 3rd baseman.

 

I just want Uggla to keep producing the way he is so he can warrant a long-term contract. You should be hoping he continues to do well too.... right?

 

Yes; I really hope he keeps it up.

I really do not believe he'll keep it up, however.

If Uggla doesn't deserve a contract (doesn't have to be 5 years) then Hermida doesn't deserve a long-term contract.

 

Forget how Uggla compares to other second-basemen. Forget his rookie & sophomore stats. Forget all of that and take a good look at Uggla throughout this year. Make this year the deciding factor if he's worthy of a new contract.

People have the ability to refine at any age. I don't see why that would be out of reach for Uggla. He can improve his defense. He can improve his bat. He ain't gonna be perfect, but if the good out-weighs the bad by a nice amount then he should be first-in-line for a contract consideration. Thats all. I just wanna make it clear that he should be the most deserving if he pans out this year. Not Hermida, unless he sums up some nice numbers and becomes a play-maker. Even then, I'd wait to see if he could do it on his following year as well.

 

The Marlins should sign no one if they're worried about age. They should also forget locking up potential. Let them first show-up in more than one way. Hermida can wait if he's so special.

 

 

a) Why would I forget his first 2 years, and just look at 1 hot month of baseball? ...I guess we signed the wrong guy b/c right now, Uggla is doing better than Hanley (yet, we all know, Hanley is the better offensive player).

 

b) He's 28. Your defense only gets worse the more you age. Why would his range get better as he gets older?

 

c) Have you ever seen Hermida's home/road splits from last year? It's no secret the guy was 2 completely different hitters...since we're leaving our trash football stadium, and going into a new 1 by 2011, I'd expect Hermida to only get better.

 

d) Not every player develops like Hanley Ramirez. Hermida is 24 years old; at the age of 24, Uggla was in the minor leagues. Meanwhile, Hermida has already proven to be a professional hitter, who's only getting better and better (as a hitter).

 

e) Since last year's All-Star Break, Hermida's been, arguably, our best offensive player.

 

f) For those that don't like Hermida defensively in RF...you can always move him to LF (if Miguel Cabrera can be a respectable LF'er, Hermida would only be better...it's much easier than RF, and if you put in Hermida in LF, we would have an above average arm, at the very least, in LF).

 

g) The Marlins have financial problems when you compare 'em to other teams; why not sign a player who's 4 years younger? A guy who's already proven to be solid, and was once the #1 prospect in all of baseball?

Instead of Uggla who we already have a replacement for (Coghlan)?

 

Do you seriously want to see Dan Uggla till he's 33, 34, 35?? What is SO special about Dan Uggla?

 

A) They were his Rookie & Sophomore seasons, right? Newcomers don't enter the majors perfect or even close. You missinterpreted my comment. I said to take a good look the whole year, not just this hot month of his. I think by then, if the Marlins wanted to, they could contemplate best what they'ed do with Uggla.

 

B) I just felt like he was progressing nicely from his sophomore year defensively. He's had his share of errors, but they haven't been gamebreakers or too costly from what I can remember.

 

C) I don't get it? How would the stadium affect his play? Cause of size? If it's that then he better adapt quicker cause the new Stadium will stay a pitcher's park.

 

D) Oh well. I've always felt that you should try to keep players that have produced. Especially the ones who've done it in nice proportions. I've seen players still produce in their mid-30's so that kinda leaves me optimistic with Uggla, but the consensus is that age most likely becomes a problem and I agree.

 

E) Hermida, like Uggla, needs to show more. In Uggla's part, he needs to show he can do spectacular throughout a whole year. Hermida needs to shine in other areas as well. Doesn't he have home-run power? I mean, I thought Hermida would have more than 4 HRs, but maybe I was being too optimistic. Also, Didn't Hermida start the year on a bit of a slump? I know he started getting into a nice roll when he started hitting second.

 

F) Of course. Trade Willingham. He's the oldest anyways, if you wanna look at it that way.

 

G) Dude, I'm still on the fence with all of this cause Hermida has yet to compare with Uggla with what he's done for us. Plus, a number 1 prospect of years past can easily become a bust. Nothings for certain so I'm not gonna be swayed by something like that.

 

Look, I'm not saying we should sign Uggla right now. I'm just saying Uggla should be the first one given thought when the FO contemplates additional contracts. How long are we gonna just bank on potential? I see Uggla as a good thing. Another one of those Marlins we'll one day let go, then he'll start thriving in another stadium....maybe. I mean, it has happened before.

Sign no one. There. That's my stand. Sign them when they show up in a BIG WAY!

Guys we only have played 1 1/2 month of a very long season. Uggla has had a very good season so far lets see what he does the rest of the season. He will have another slump at some time Let's see if he continues ballin

If Uggla doesn't deserve a contract (doesn't have to be 5 years) then Hermida doesn't deserve a long-term contract.

 

Forget how Uggla compares to other second-basemen. Forget his rookie & sophomore stats. Forget all of that and take a good look at Uggla throughout this year. Make this year the deciding factor if he's worthy of a new contract.

People have the ability to refine at any age. I don't see why that would be out of reach for Uggla. He can improve his defense. He can improve his bat. He ain't gonna be perfect, but if the good out-weighs the bad by a nice amount then he should be first-in-line for a contract consideration. Thats all. I just wanna make it clear that he should be the most deserving if he pans out this year. Not Hermida, unless he sums up some nice numbers and becomes a play-maker. Even then, I'd wait to see if he could do it on his following year as well.

 

The Marlins should sign no one if they're worried about age. They should also forget locking up potential. Let them first show-up in more than one way. Hermida can wait if he's so special.

 

 

a) Why would I forget his first 2 years, and just look at 1 hot month of baseball? ...I guess we signed the wrong guy b/c right now, Uggla is doing better than Hanley (yet, we all know, Hanley is the better offensive player).

 

b) He's 28. Your defense only gets worse the more you age. Why would his range get better as he gets older?

 

c) Have you ever seen Hermida's home/road splits from last year? It's no secret the guy was 2 completely different hitters...since we're leaving our trash football stadium, and going into a new 1 by 2011, I'd expect Hermida to only get better.

 

d) Not every player develops like Hanley Ramirez. Hermida is 24 years old; at the age of 24, Uggla was in the minor leagues. Meanwhile, Hermida has already proven to be a professional hitter, who's only getting better and better (as a hitter).

 

e) Since last year's All-Star Break, Hermida's been, arguably, our best offensive player.

 

f) For those that don't like Hermida defensively in RF...you can always move him to LF (if Miguel Cabrera can be a respectable LF'er, Hermida would only be better...it's much easier than RF, and if you put in Hermida in LF, we would have an above average arm, at the very least, in LF).

 

g) The Marlins have financial problems when you compare 'em to other teams; why not sign a player who's 4 years younger? A guy who's already proven to be solid, and was once the #1 prospect in all of baseball?

Instead of Uggla who we already have a replacement for (Coghlan)?

 

Do you seriously want to see Dan Uggla till he's 33, 34, 35?? What is SO special about Dan Uggla?

 

A) They were his Rookie & Sophomore seasons, right? Newcomers don't enter the majors perfect or even close. You missinterpreted my comment. I said to take a good look the whole year, not just this hot month of his. I think by then, if the Marlins wanted to, they could contemplate best what they'ed do with Uggla.

 

B) I just felt like he was progressing nicely from his sophomore year defensively. He's had his share of errors, but they haven't been gamebreakers or too costly from what I can remember.

 

C) I don't get it? How would the stadium affect his play? Cause of size? If it's that then he better adapt quicker cause the new Stadium will stay a pitcher's park.

 

D) Oh well. I've always felt that you should try to keep players that have produced. Especially the ones who've done it in nice proportions. I've seen players still produce in their mid-30's so that kinda leaves me optimistic with Uggla, but the consensus is that age most likely becomes a problem and I agree.

 

E) Hermida, like Uggla, needs to show more. In Uggla's part, he needs to show he can do spectacular throughout a whole year. Hermida needs to shine in other areas as well. Doesn't he have home-run power? I mean, I thought Hermida would have more than 4 HRs, but maybe I was being too optimistic. Also, Didn't Hermida start the year on a bit of a slump? I know he started getting into a nice roll when he started hitting second.

 

F) Of course. Trade Willingham. He's the oldest anyways, if you wanna look at it that way.

 

G) Dude, I'm still on the fence with all of this cause Hermida has yet to compare with Uggla with what he's done for us. Plus, a number 1 prospect of years past can easily become a bust. Nothings for certain so I'm not gonna be swayed by something like that.

 

Look, I'm not saying we should sign Uggla right now. I'm just saying Uggla should be the first one given thought when the FO contemplates additional contracts. How long are we gonna just bank on potential? I see Uggla as a good thing. Another one of those Marlins we'll one day let go, then he'll start thriving in another stadium....maybe.

Sign no one. There. That's my stand. Sign them when they show up in a BIG WAY!

 

That's fine by me...I'm not saying to sign anyone now, either. I'm just saying who I'd sign in the future, if things keep up.

 

I don't just look at 1 stat (extra base hits) and automatically say...keep Uggla! There's a stat for EVERYTHING in baseball. Even defensively...where the past 2 years, Uggla's stats are among the worst.

 

As far as "A," though...you say those were Uggla's "rookie" and "sophmore" years, right? Well, doesn't the same apply for Hermida? He's still less inexperienced than Uggla anyway you look at it.

 

...and for what it's worth Uggla had a solid rookie year (he was actually an All-Star). But he came back last year with a mediocre offensive year, when pitchers adjusted to him. Now he has made some adjustments...however, pitchers will adjust again. How will he react is my question?

 

Also, you gotta give the guys you drafted a CHANCE...especially when they're projected to be really good. Look at what the Rays did with Longoria. Not saying to sign Dominguez for 9 years now, but his scouting reports sound a lot like the next comming of a Ryan Zimmerman / Evan Longoria type.

Also, you gotta give the guys you drafted a CHANCE...especially when they're projected to be really good. Look at what the Rays did with Longoria. Not saying to sign Dominguez for 9 years now, but his scouting reports sound a lot like the next comming of a Ryan Zimmerman / Evan Longoria type.

 

I'm not gonna get into the rest of this... that ship has sailed, nor do I feel like going through everything I would... but Dominguez IS NOT BY ANY MEANS a Longoria type... he's Ryan Zimmerman lite... there it is

What I'm surprised that I haven't read is that Uggla's trade value actually goes up if he's signed to a reasonable contract.

 

Uggla is only considered old to the most discerning, cautious evaluator. And given the absurdity of many MLB free agent contracts that would not describe most MLB gm's....Dan Uggla in his late 20's/early 30's coming off a 30+- HR season is something most teams would jump at.

 

Why did Dan Haren get more in prospects than Johan? Because Haren was signed to a below market deal with 3 years remaining.

 

If you give Uggla a 5yr/30 million dollar contract what is your downside? Your worst case scenario is he reverts back to last year. And he's still very tradeable w/o having to eat any of the $$$.

 

If he does anything close to what he's doing this year, you could get a great package of prospects. Or you could simply enjoy the tremendous offensive production signed to a fair deal.

 

If he actually improves on what he is doing now then you have one of the best offensive players in the game at a weak position signed for nothing.

 

I'm not above trading anyways.

 

I'm jus t surprised more people don't seem to recognize that a good young player signed to a good deal is tremendously valuable in today's game. No one wants to trade premium prospects for a guy 1yr away from free agency.

 

There is so much money in baseball that most long term contracts can be traded away if the player is at all productive. There is a big difference to signing Dan Uggla to a slightly above average deal than Kei Igawa's deal. Uggla is not suddenly going to suck. Short of catastrophe, I can't see any chance where Uggla suddenly becomes untradeable two years into a five year deal.

 

Don't call to trade Uggla unless you have a plan to replace his offense.

What is SO special about Dan Uggla?

He's been the Marlins best run producer sans Miguel Cabrera since he's been here.

 

 

b/c he's had the MOST opportunities, I'd bet.

If we're going by this (clutch run producer), the answer is Josh Willingham.

 

The only special thing about Uggla is his power (for his position).

Coghlan doesn't have the power Uggla has, but all scouting reports indicate for a better average, better .OBP, and more speed for Coghlan.

 

Coghlan, once again, is still young.

 

Even if Coghlan doesn't give us half of what Uggla gives us in power, does this team really "need" power? Hitting HR's is what this team excels at.

That's another great thing about Uggla. Unlike Hermida, Jacobs, AND Willingham, he hasn't missed long stretches during the season due to injury. GO UGGLA!! :cool Are you gonna fault him for that?

 

Great for Coghlan, I hope he can learn to play 3rd.

 

 

And?

So b/c Hermida's had some flukish injuries in the past, that means he'll never stay healthy?

 

You hope Coghlan can play 3rd? That's nice...I guess we drafted Matt Dominguez for no reason, now.

 

Ok Erick.... I defended you the other day when 2003 jumped on you, but you really just need to shut up now... If you don't see what is "so special" about a second baseman who can play average defense while hitting 50 doubles and around 30 homeruns a year while playing half his games at Dolphin Stadium, then that is your problem. There are PLENTY of teams that would love to have Dan Uggla playing second base for them.

 

And why do you keep comparing him to Chase Utley??? Chase Utley is one of the best all around second basemen the game has EVER seen. So what if he isn't as good as Utley? Nobody is!!! Did Dan Uggla give you a mean look at a game once or something? Were you mad that you weren't selected to play that kid that he harrasses at the grocery store in that commercial they ran last year? Josh Willingham isn't as good as Barry Bonds, so he sucks too. I hope we trade the whole team except for Hanley because the rest of them have no chance of ever going the Hall of Fame, and that means they all suck.

 

Have you ever played baseball? Seriously. cause you base everything on intuition and statistics, but you seem to know very little about any of it.

 

 

Ok, first of all, he's mediocre, defensively. Just look at some of the defensive stats (among 2B, since 2007), in baseball.

Second, take a look at his CAREER situational #'s, and CAREER inconsistencies...just b/c he gets those extra base hits, doesn't make him special.

 

I wasn't comparing him to Utley...someone else was; I just proved Utley was better (with stats). Despite parks, Utley's career .OPS+ (which factors parks) is 128; Uggla's is 117.

 

btw, glad to see you back, actually. You're a good debater, and I guess you can call me "pessimistic" now, b/c I'm not supporting this whole Dan Uggla bandwagon. The tables have turned, I guess (hehe). :thumbup

Also, you gotta give the guys you drafted a CHANCE...especially when they're projected to be really good. Look at what the Rays did with Longoria. Not saying to sign Dominguez for 9 years now, but his scouting reports sound a lot like the next comming of a Ryan Zimmerman / Evan Longoria type.

 

I'm not gonna get into the rest of this... that ship has sailed, nor do I feel like going through everything I would... but Dominguez IS NOT BY ANY MEANS a Longoria type... he's Ryan Zimmerman lite... there it is

 

 

defensively, he is.

But you're right...he was compared to Zimmerman the second he was drafted.

I would love to have a Ryan Zimmerman clone playing 3B, for a change.

I love that post champkind.

If Uggla doesn't deserve a contract (doesn't have to be 5 years) then Hermida doesn't deserve a long-term contract.

 

Forget how Uggla compares to other second-basemen. Forget his rookie & sophomore stats. Forget all of that and take a good look at Uggla throughout this year. Make this year the deciding factor if he's worthy of a new contract.

People have the ability to refine at any age. I don't see why that would be out of reach for Uggla. He can improve his defense. He can improve his bat. He ain't gonna be perfect, but if the good out-weighs the bad by a nice amount then he should be first-in-line for a contract consideration. Thats all. I just wanna make it clear that he should be the most deserving if he pans out this year. Not Hermida, unless he sums up some nice numbers and becomes a play-maker. Even then, I'd wait to see if he could do it on his following year as well.

 

The Marlins should sign no one if they're worried about age. They should also forget locking up potential. Let them first show-up in more than one way. Hermida can wait if he's so special.

 

 

a) Why would I forget his first 2 years, and just look at 1 hot month of baseball? ...I guess we signed the wrong guy b/c right now, Uggla is doing better than Hanley (yet, we all know, Hanley is the better offensive player).

 

b) He's 28. Your defense only gets worse the more you age. Why would his range get better as he gets older?

 

c) Have you ever seen Hermida's home/road splits from last year? It's no secret the guy was 2 completely different hitters...since we're leaving our trash football stadium, and going into a new 1 by 2011, I'd expect Hermida to only get better.

 

d) Not every player develops like Hanley Ramirez. Hermida is 24 years old; at the age of 24, Uggla was in the minor leagues. Meanwhile, Hermida has already proven to be a professional hitter, who's only getting better and better (as a hitter).

 

e) Since last year's All-Star Break, Hermida's been, arguably, our best offensive player.

 

f) For those that don't like Hermida defensively in RF...you can always move him to LF (if Miguel Cabrera can be a respectable LF'er, Hermida would only be better...it's much easier than RF, and if you put in Hermida in LF, we would have an above average arm, at the very least, in LF).

 

g) The Marlins have financial problems when you compare 'em to other teams; why not sign a player who's 4 years younger? A guy who's already proven to be solid, and was once the #1 prospect in all of baseball?

Instead of Uggla who we already have a replacement for (Coghlan)?

 

Do you seriously want to see Dan Uggla till he's 33, 34, 35?? What is SO special about Dan Uggla?

 

A) They were his Rookie & Sophomore seasons, right? Newcomers don't enter the majors perfect or even close. You missinterpreted my comment. I said to take a good look the whole year, not just this hot month of his. I think by then, if the Marlins wanted to, they could contemplate best what they'ed do with Uggla.

 

B) I just felt like he was progressing nicely from his sophomore year defensively. He's had his share of errors, but they haven't been gamebreakers or too costly from what I can remember.

 

C) I don't get it? How would the stadium affect his play? Cause of size? If it's that then he better adapt quicker cause the new Stadium will stay a pitcher's park.

 

D) Oh well. I've always felt that you should try to keep players that have produced. Especially the ones who've done it in nice proportions. I've seen players still produce in their mid-30's so that kinda leaves me optimistic with Uggla, but the consensus is that age most likely becomes a problem and I agree.

 

E) Hermida, like Uggla, needs to show more. In Uggla's part, he needs to show he can do spectacular throughout a whole year. Hermida needs to shine in other areas as well. Doesn't he have home-run power? I mean, I thought Hermida would have more than 4 HRs, but maybe I was being too optimistic. Also, Didn't Hermida start the year on a bit of a slump? I know he started getting into a nice roll when he started hitting second.

 

F) Of course. Trade Willingham. He's the oldest anyways, if you wanna look at it that way.

 

G) Dude, I'm still on the fence with all of this cause Hermida has yet to compare with Uggla with what he's done for us. Plus, a number 1 prospect of years past can easily become a bust. Nothings for certain so I'm not gonna be swayed by something like that.

 

Look, I'm not saying we should sign Uggla right now. I'm just saying Uggla should be the first one given thought when the FO contemplates additional contracts. How long are we gonna just bank on potential? I see Uggla as a good thing. Another one of those Marlins we'll one day let go, then he'll start thriving in another stadium....maybe.

Sign no one. There. That's my stand. Sign them when they show up in a BIG WAY!

 

That's fine by me...I'm not saying to sign anyone now, either. I'm just saying who I'd sign in the future, if things keep up.

 

I don't just look at 1 stat (extra base hits) and automatically say...keep Uggla! There's a stat for EVERYTHING in baseball. Even defensively...where the past 2 years, Uggla's stats are among the worst.

 

As far as "A," though...you say those were Uggla's "rookie" and "sophmore" years, right? Well, doesn't the same apply for Hermida? He's still less inexperienced than Uggla anyway you look at it.

 

...and for what it's worth Uggla had a solid rookie year (he was actually an All-Star). But he came back last year with a mediocre offensive year, when pitchers adjusted to him. Now he has made some adjustments...however, pitchers will adjust again. How will he react is my question?

 

Also, you gotta give the guys you drafted a CHANCE...especially when they're projected to be really good. Look at what the Rays did with Longoria. Not saying to sign Dominguez for 9 years now, but his scouting reports sound a lot like the next comming of a Ryan Zimmerman / Evan Longoria type.

 

WTF?????? You just keep 'em coming......... Ryan Zimmerman's name should not be slashed next to Evan Longoria's EVER..... Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Please stop, before some impressionable kid accidentally reads some of this ignorance you are posting and starts spreading it around as fact.

 

 

Longoria is a stud; but I was talking about defensively.

Overall, Dominguez is compared to Zimmerman...he's been compared to Zimmerman from the day he was drafted.

 

Btw, Longoria was once a #1 prospect in all of baseball...guess who else was the #1 prospect in all of baseball once upon time? Jeremy Hermida, ring a bell?

 

Maybe you'll understand in 5 years, when the preference will be signing Hermida...not Uggla. You can chalk that one up, as a bold prediction.

Almost seems like you'd root for Uggla to fall apart in a year or two, just so you can sit back & say I told ya so. People get so invested in their player critiques.

 

 

Uggla was never a highly rated prospect so just can't ever measure up for some of you.

only highly rated prospects deserve a contract, people that have busted their butts and become better with the years dont deserve anything.

 

I guess that's the way it works around here

Hermida will continue to be year to year contracts and arbitration before he proves to be anything more. This front office will not sign players based on potential alone. Hanley has already proven to be great, Hermida has not. If Uggla continues his torrid pace, then he can be considered an elite player at second base. The total lovefest for Hermida is nothing short of mind boggling. This guy hasn't even proven he can stay healthy for an entire season, and Uggla has proven himself to be very durable which is something VERY underrated by people here. And Hermida so far has been just as a streaky hitter as anyone else on this team, so singling out Uggla in that department is extremely unfair.

Hermida was never the top prospect in baseball (going by Baseball America, which is why people almost always mean when they talk about such).

 

He was 4th in 2006, which is still high, but he wasn't the top. Delmon Young, Justin Upton, and Brandon Wood were ahead of him.

Jeremy Hermida

 

2007 Post All-Star Break #'s

.340 average

10 HR's

36 RBI's

.956 .OPS

 

This is 2.5 MONTHS of baseball to end the year last year, when Hermida just started showing his potential. He's comeback this year, and unlike years past, hasn't had a TERRIBLE start (which shows improvement...again).

 

So this is now, about 4 months of baseball, for Hermida, that if you total up his #'s, they're pretty darn good.

 

Maybe the funny thing here, is how people are only looking at 1 person's certain stats (Uggla). Hermida is not "Just Potential." He's already showing what he's made of.

 

...and he's 4 years younger. A 24 year old getting "better," is a lot more common, than a 28 year old getting "better." And this includes defense...you do know that Uggla's horrible range, will only get worse with age, right?

Hermida was never the top prospect in baseball (going by Baseball America, which is why people almost always mean when they talk about such).

 

He was 4th in 2006, which is still high, but he wasn't the top. Delmon Young, Justin Upton, and Brandon Wood were ahead of him.

 

 

true

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/featu...223top100c.html

I'll say what little I have to on this quickly:

 

Uggla should get some kind of deal to keep him by the time he hits arbitration, not trade him away. The guy has performed well every year, and for all the criticism he gets for last year, his OBP didn't suffer from all the Ks, he still scored and drove in almost as many runs as anyone on the team. Hitting more in the middle of the order, he will have a 30+ HR, 100+ RBI season assuming that he (as he has the last 2 years) stays healthy. He may K alot, but if you're unwilling to take that along with all his positives then I'll just disagree with you. He is a special hitter, especially at 2B. He is probably our most dependable IF defender. And again, durable. He is not easily replaceable. To whatever extent this team will be competetive in the near future, Uggla is key. Just look at our 5 best hitters, who've been our starting players since 2006:

Hanley, Uggla, Jacobs, Hammer, and Hermida. Now who there besides Hanley hasn't spent a good bit of time everyyear on the DL? Seriously, if you guys get your wish and see Uggla traded away then I hope you enjoy seeing Hanley hit between Brett Carroll and We Helms.

 

As for Hermida, nothing against him, I want him to succeed and hope he does like the 2nd half last year for his entire career (with the Marlins). BUT, I think there's no way I think you can say he either deserves a deal (or a better deal) more than Uggla or that he is more important to the team. They've both been with the team for essentially the same amount of time, and Uggla has produced about double as many runs for the team. If performance (and consistency) matters, then Uggla should still win out.