Then again, why have to choose between an experienced starter and a closer?

 

Why not have both? :mischief

Not only is he walking guys. He's hitting guys and he's throwing wild pitches. The dude has some serious control problems and he needs to fix them. Now.

 

I think if we're still in the race come the trade deadline, our glaring need would be a back of the bullpen guy--possibly even a closer to replace Gregg.

 

 

I think an experienced starter would be nicer to have, to be honest. And by experienced, I don't mean Mark Hendrickson.

 

Gregg might be struggling (he's not anything special), but he's not a BIG weakness.

 

Yeah but can you imagine Gregg blowing saves in September? We can't afford that.

What scares me is our entire defense blowing saves in September.

 

 

That's just a little ignorant, no?

Gregg now has 21 walks (19 unintentional), 3 HBP, and 5 WP (wild pitches) in 32.2 innings, this year.

You can't really tell me you're "confident" with a closer having those types of control issues.

 

And to entirely blame the defense on this, is unfair...considering Gregg deserves some of it, as well.

Not only is he walking guys. He's hitting guys and he's throwing wild pitches. The dude has some serious control problems and he needs to fix them. Now.

 

I think if we're still in the race come the trade deadline, our glaring need would be a back of the bullpen guy--possibly even a closer to replace Gregg.

 

 

I think an experienced starter would be nicer to have, to be honest. And by experienced, I don't mean Mark Hendrickson.

 

Gregg might be struggling (he's not anything special), but he's not a BIG weakness.

 

Yeah but can you imagine Gregg blowing saves in September? We can't afford that.

What scares me is our entire defense blowing saves in September.

 

 

That's just a little ignorant, no?

Gregg now has 21 walks (19 unintentional), 3 HBP, and 5 WP (wild pitches) in 32.2 innings, this year.

You can't really tell me you're "confident" with a closer having those types of control issues.

 

And to entirely blame the defense on this, is unfair...considering Gregg deserves some of it, as well.

It's not ignorant at all. That's not even what ignorant means.

 

I said that I blamed Gregg for the BS. You can go read it, because I posted it. His walking people sucks, and makes life difficult. He needs to stop that sh*t.

 

But our defense scares the sh*t out of me. It keeps me up at night. I makes me drop my head quite often when I am sitting in the Fish Tank.

 

I honestly FEAR our defense in September. I even had a nightmare that they lost us the Playoffs.

Not only is he walking guys. He's hitting guys and he's throwing wild pitches. The dude has some serious control problems and he needs to fix them. Now.

 

I think if we're still in the race come the trade deadline, our glaring need would be a back of the bullpen guy--possibly even a closer to replace Gregg.

 

 

I think an experienced starter would be nicer to have, to be honest. And by experienced, I don't mean Mark Hendrickson.

 

Gregg might be struggling (he's not anything special), but he's not a BIG weakness.

 

Yeah but can you imagine Gregg blowing saves in September? We can't afford that.

What scares me is our entire defense blowing saves in September.

 

 

That's just a little ignorant, no?

Gregg now has 21 walks (19 unintentional), 3 HBP, and 5 WP (wild pitches) in 32.2 innings, this year.

You can't really tell me you're "confident" with a closer having those types of control issues.

 

And to entirely blame the defense on this, is unfair...considering Gregg deserves some of it, as well.

It's not ignorant at all. That's not even what ignorant means.

 

I said that I blamed Gregg for the BS. You can go read it, because I posted it. His walking people sucks, and makes life difficult. He needs to stop that sh*t.

 

But our defense scares the sh*t out of me. It keeps me up at night. I makes me drop my head quite often when I am sitting in the Fish Tank.

 

I honestly FEAR our defense in September. I even had a nightmare that they lost us the Playoffs.

 

well, then I guess, I misunderstood.

I thought you were blaming Gregg's BS's solely on the defense.

Not only is he walking guys. He's hitting guys and he's throwing wild pitches. The dude has some serious control problems and he needs to fix them. Now.

 

I think if we're still in the race come the trade deadline, our glaring need would be a back of the bullpen guy--possibly even a closer to replace Gregg.

 

 

I think an experienced starter would be nicer to have, to be honest. And by experienced, I don't mean Mark Hendrickson.

 

Gregg might be struggling (he's not anything special), but he's not a BIG weakness.

 

Yeah but can you imagine Gregg blowing saves in September? We can't afford that.

What scares me is our entire defense blowing saves in September.

 

 

That's just a little ignorant, no?

Gregg now has 21 walks (19 unintentional), 3 HBP, and 5 WP (wild pitches) in 32.2 innings, this year.

You can't really tell me you're "confident" with a closer having those types of control issues.

 

And to entirely blame the defense on this, is unfair...considering Gregg deserves some of it, as well.

It's not ignorant at all. That's not even what ignorant means.

 

I said that I blamed Gregg for the BS. You can go read it, because I posted it. His walking people sucks, and makes life difficult. He needs to stop that sh*t.

 

But our defense scares the sh*t out of me. It keeps me up at night. I makes me drop my head quite often when I am sitting in the Fish Tank.

 

I honestly FEAR our defense in September. I even had a nightmare that they lost us the Playoffs.

 

well, then I guess, I misunderstood.

I thought you were blaming Gregg's BS's solely on the defense.

No no no, Gregg is to blame for 3 of the 4 BSs, and solely to blame for 1 of them. (I blame our defense for April 19th vs the Nationals.

 

Also, just an interesting note. Gregg has converted 75% of save opportunities this season, which is disappointingly. In the Majors this year, only 66% of save opportunities have been converted.

Not only is he walking guys. He's hitting guys and he's throwing wild pitches. The dude has some serious control problems and he needs to fix them. Now.

 

I think if we're still in the race come the trade deadline, our glaring need would be a back of the bullpen guy--possibly even a closer to replace Gregg.

 

 

I think an experienced starter would be nicer to have, to be honest. And by experienced, I don't mean Mark Hendrickson.

 

Gregg might be struggling (he's not anything special), but he's not a BIG weakness.

 

Yeah but can you imagine Gregg blowing saves in September? We can't afford that.

What scares me is our entire defense blowing saves in September.

 

 

That's just a little ignorant, no?

Gregg now has 21 walks (19 unintentional), 3 HBP, and 5 WP (wild pitches) in 32.2 innings, this year.

You can't really tell me you're "confident" with a closer having those types of control issues.

 

And to entirely blame the defense on this, is unfair...considering Gregg deserves some of it, as well.

It's not ignorant at all. That's not even what ignorant means.

 

I said that I blamed Gregg for the BS. You can go read it, because I posted it. His walking people sucks, and makes life difficult. He needs to stop that sh*t.

 

But our defense scares the sh*t out of me. It keeps me up at night. I makes me drop my head quite often when I am sitting in the Fish Tank.

 

I honestly FEAR our defense in September. I even had a nightmare that they lost us the Playoffs.

 

well, then I guess, I misunderstood.

I thought you were blaming Gregg's BS's solely on the defense.

No no no, Gregg is to blame for 3 of the 4 BSs, and solely to blame for 1 of them. (I blame our defense for April 19th vs the Nationals.

 

Also, just an interesting note. Gregg has converted 75% of save opportunities this season, which is disappointingly. In the Majors this year, only 66% of save opportunities have been converted.

 

 

by closers?

Or does that also count middle relievers who fail to convert holds, as well?

 

As for blaming the defense for April 19th vs. the Nationals...I think that evens out. B/c in Washington, Gregg would've blown 1, if not for Willingham who brought a ball back, that was hit by Nick Johnson, I recall. It ended up being a double, and ended up being the difference between a 1 run win (save for Gregg), and a tie game (blown save for Gregg) heading into extras.

 

Although, I think you could somewhat blame Rabelo for the blown save in Atlanta...and I say somewhat...b/c Gregg's walks did allow 2 men to get on base that game, in the grand scheme of things.

Not only is he walking guys. He's hitting guys and he's throwing wild pitches. The dude has some serious control problems and he needs to fix them. Now.

 

I think if we're still in the race come the trade deadline, our glaring need would be a back of the bullpen guy--possibly even a closer to replace Gregg.

 

 

I think an experienced starter would be nicer to have, to be honest. And by experienced, I don't mean Mark Hendrickson.

 

Gregg might be struggling (he's not anything special), but he's not a BIG weakness.

 

Yeah but can you imagine Gregg blowing saves in September? We can't afford that.

What scares me is our entire defense blowing saves in September.

 

 

That's just a little ignorant, no?

Gregg now has 21 walks (19 unintentional), 3 HBP, and 5 WP (wild pitches) in 32.2 innings, this year.

You can't really tell me you're "confident" with a closer having those types of control issues.

 

And to entirely blame the defense on this, is unfair...considering Gregg deserves some of it, as well.

It's not ignorant at all. That's not even what ignorant means.

 

I said that I blamed Gregg for the BS. You can go read it, because I posted it. His walking people sucks, and makes life difficult. He needs to stop that sh*t.

 

But our defense scares the sh*t out of me. It keeps me up at night. I makes me drop my head quite often when I am sitting in the Fish Tank.

 

I honestly FEAR our defense in September. I even had a nightmare that they lost us the Playoffs.

 

well, then I guess, I misunderstood.

I thought you were blaming Gregg's BS's solely on the defense.

No no no, Gregg is to blame for 3 of the 4 BSs, and solely to blame for 1 of them. (I blame our defense for April 19th vs the Nationals.

 

Also, just an interesting note. Gregg has converted 75% of save opportunities this season, which is disappointingly. In the Majors this year, only 66% of save opportunities have been converted.

 

 

by closers?

Or does that also count middle relievers who fail to convert holds, as well?

 

As for blaming the defense for April 19th vs. the Nationals...I think that evens out. B/c in Washington, Gregg would've blown 1, if not for Willingham who brought a ball back, that was hit by Nick Johnson, I recall. It ended up being a double, and ended up being the difference between a 1 run win (save for Gregg), and a tie game (blown save for Gregg) heading into extras.

 

Although, I think you could somewhat blame Rabelo for the blown save in Atlanta...and I say somewhat...b/c Gregg's walks did allow 2 men to get on base that game, in the grand scheme of things.

I partially blamed Rabelo for that one, but I also put some blame on Gregg.

 

As for that stat...I really should have checked that. I'll get back to you.

I just picked up Kevin Gregg on one of my fantasy teams, and dropped Carlos Marmol (trying to get some more saves, in the league).

 

Hopefully, it helps him out, and we all get to eat some crow, at the end of the year. :mischief

Gregg melts under pressure yet again. I'm sick of it. I never trust him to close the game with a one-run lead.

 

Ditto.

 

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While I agree Gregg is to blame, you have to give it to him that he ended up pitting in the game ending DP and Hanley messed it up.

 

 

I think Uggla's flip didn't really help.

Utley has above average speed; I'm not even sure if we get Utley there, even if Hanley does get it out of his glove.

 

I'm more upset with Gregg.

When hitters are batting less than .200 off of you, it shows that you have good stuff.

However, Gregg can't be walking batters like this, at a consistent rate, and that's why I often get frustrated, at times, with him.

 

I'm on recored for worrying about Gregg since watching him in ST. But he did induce the ground ball and Hanley messed it up. I heard a rumor that a scout for another team was questioning if Hanley is using a glove too big for him because he has trouble getting the ball out alot. It's something to think about.

he's done it a couple times already and it makes me think that 1 run lead is gonna automatically be blown when he comes in now. almost did it in Game 1 and he did this a couple times on the roadtrip.

why don't they put pinto or joe nelson to close...i trust these guys even badenhop more than gregg. everytime i see gregg in to save the game i get nervous lol

 

I'm sorry but that (highlighted) is just dumb....

You can't come out in the ninth with a one run lead and walk the lead off hitter. He does this a lot.

 

He didn't. It was an infield single.

Tuesday night we were perfectly content with Gregg's performance, coming in the eighth for the final out of the inning and then shutting them down in the ninth.

 

I've said a number of times I have no feeling of comfort when I know Gregg is closing (at games I'll play one of the games on my phone so I don't have to watch) as opposed to other guys we've had close, or even Gregg in 2007. That said this may be a period he's going through and I think it's too early to give up on the guy.

 

We've seen him pitch very well in the past. And even last night we saw Gordon pitch a lot worse. Stuff happens.

For my birthday (which is Sunday) all I want is for Kevin Gregg to get a new pair of prescription glasses.

B/c when you have good stuff, it's disheartening, that you ALWAYS come in...and walk, at least, 1 batter, every fucccckking outing.

How can you be saying this when you were one of his biggest defenders when he was pitching worse than he is now?

I NEVER EVER trust Gregg with a one run lead, NEVER. For whatever reason he chokes or really really complicates things with a one run lead. He is not a true closer. This is a problem the team is going to have to deal with eventually. I know that pitchers have their bad days, but this has been coming slowly since the start of the season. I really believe that they have to start converting Matt Lindstrom as a closer, because of the fact that he continues to add more pitches to his selection. Plus, he throws gas, gas, and more gas! He has the makings of a closer. Kevin Gregg is just better off being a reliever, but NOT a closer, PERIOD!

For my birthday (which is Sunday) all I want is for Kevin Gregg to get a new pair of prescription glasses.

B/c when you have good stuff, it's disheartening, that you ALWAYS come in...and walk, at least, 1 batter, every fucccckking outing.

How can you be saying this when you were one of his biggest defenders when he was pitching worse than he is now?

 

 

b/c now it's translating into blown saves.

el_penguino...I always agreed with you on the fact we should trade him after the season (or in July, if we're out of contention).

 

What I said then was that he's always had a solid save % since becoming a closer (which was last year), so it would've been unfair to take him out of the closers' role, BACK THEN, when guys like Gagne, etc. were doing far worse, and they still had their role of closer.

 

I still believe, RIGHT NOW, he's the closer of this team b/c no one else has stepped up yet in the pen, but next year, I hope to see someone else in there.

Yes, and I predicted that his high hit and walk numbers would translate into blown saves. Those are the preferred methods of measuring success (and what prophesized his decline), not his early save percentage.

 

When you look at a struggling closer you first look at his actual performance figures, not save percentages. He had many extremely close calls at the beginning of the season where he was bailed out by his defense. Arguably he was pitching the same then (if not better) than he is now. A true indication that judging performance on those areas alone is a grave mistake.

 

Why do the Marlins need to care what Gagne does? Is that the model for us on how to run our organization?

 

These talking head posts are becoming quite tiresome, especially when you radically change your opinion while denying it concurrently.

 

For the record, I don't have a problem staying in the ninth inning. However, in a tie game or even a one run lead I would see who else is available in the pen. The necessity of having a single, defined ninth inning pitcher is, in my mind, a myth.

These talking head posts are becoming quite tiresome, especially when you radically change your opinion while denying it concurrently.

 

For the record, I don't have a problem staying in the ninth inning. However, in a tie game or even a one run lead I would see who else is available in the pen. The necessity of having a single, defined ninth inning pitcher is, in my mind, a myth.

 

 

I'd respond, but I would hate to make you more tired, than you already are.

Have a good day, sir.

...and for the record, my opinions on Gregg have never changed. Because I always called him an average closer.

Who would you use in the 9th though with a 1 run lead right now? And if we're going to have a closer with a 1 run lead, and another one with a 2 run lead, what's the point? Why not just leave the other guy in for all save situations?

 

...and what's the point on having the highest paid player on the team, at just over 2 mill a year, being a middle reliever? When the middle relievers on the team, haven't proven at any time (based on WHIP, etc.) that they can be closers yet?

 

If Gregg isn't going to close, why not just trade him now, and give another youngster a chance?

 

Oops...oh well, I guess I did respond. Hopefully, you're not too tiresome after this one, though.

jesus is there going to be a post everytime he blows a save?

come on just leave it alone

there is no one else in the bull pen who will do a better job then him

yes he walks alot but everyone in the bullpen does

right now hes the best option therefore he is our closer