What a joke. The cheapest team in MLB wanting a reliever other teams deem too pricey...

 

No team thinks he is too pricey money wise, they are saying the Rockies are asking for too much as far as prospects go.

 

 

exactly, the Rockies probably want to kill our farm system, probably asking for Coghlen, VandenHurk, and Morrison, that would be my guess of the deal they are asking for.

 

If that's the deal...no.

But...I highly doubt they're asking for that. And if they are, the asking price will only go down, once the trade deadline approaches.

 

yeah, but they are at the beginning of negotiations, the Rockies will probably ask for the best out of our farm system to begin trade negotiations because Fuentes has been doing great lately as closer and his stock as rised and most importantly he is a former all star, the Rockies believe that they can get Coghlen, VandenHurk, and Morrison, they just don't understand that the marlins are the least reluctant team in baseball to give up prospects

I keep reminding myself we traded three players for Urbina and two washed out, and the third, while now an excellent major leaguer took another year and a half or two to establish himself in MLB.

 

I still think we need a situational bat in the lineup somewhere (that's Fredi's job not mine) as well, which neither Hermida nor Jacobs provides, and since his comeback add Willingham to that list (although I'd reserve judgment there) but Hanley and Uggla and to a degree Ross aren't going to stop doing what they do. Cantu is the closest we have but I'm not sure he's more a contact hitter than a situational one, but I have to say it's become obvious that perhaps behind Gonzo, game smart he's the best guy out there.

I'd love Fuentes, particularly if he was offered arbitration at the end of the season. But judging by O'Dowd's expectations, the cost is going to be prohibitive.

 

Dan O'Dowd asked the Mets for Carlos Beltran and Fernando Martinez in return for Matt Holiday and Willy Tavares. He asked the Angels for Howie Kendrick, Nick Adenhart, and either Ervin Santana or Joe Saunders for Holiday. He asked the Phillies for Carlos Carrasco or Lou Marson (the Phillies top two prospects) for Fuentes.

 

Unless his asking price comes down, which, considering the number of teams after Fuentes, it probably won't, the Marlins should target a cheaper alternative such as Jon Rauch.

I still think we need a situational bat in the lineup somewhere (that's Fredi's job not mine) as well, which neither Hermida nor Jacobs provides, and since his comeback add Willingham to that list (although I'd reserve judgment there) but Hanley and Uggla and to a degree Ross aren't going to stop doing what they do. Cantu is the closest we have but I'm not sure he's more a contact hitter than a situational one, but I have to say it's become obvious that perhaps behind Gonzo, game smart he's the best guy out there.

 

 

 

That's not something teams usually LOOK for.

 

Plus, "situational" could mean a lot of things.

If they throw in Holliday for Hammer, I say do it.

Would be a huge steal. I know the Phillies and Red Sox now backed off, so this might be theres to take. I wonder if they are after Mitre or however it is spelt in Pittsburgh. The word is 12 teams are interested.

I keep reminding myself we traded three players for Urbina and two washed out, and the third, while now an excellent major leaguer took another year and a half or two to establish himself in MLB.

 

I still think we need a situational bat in the lineup somewhere (that's Fredi's job not mine) as well, which neither Hermida nor Jacobs provides, and since his comeback add Willingham to that list (although I'd reserve judgment there) but Hanley and Uggla and to a degree Ross aren't going to stop doing what they do. Cantu is the closest we have but I'm not sure he's more a contact hitter than a situational one, but I have to say it's become obvious that perhaps behind Gonzo, game smart he's the best guy out there.

Agreed but to be more specific I think the Marlins need to make a decision on Jacobs. Obviously catcher is a liability but the available options are limited.

If they throw in Holliday for Hammer, I say do it.

 

 

why would they give away Matt Holiday for Josh Willingham, an average outfielder with back problems?

If they throw in Holliday for Hammer, I say do it.

 

 

Why would they do that? :confused

Would be a huge steal. I know the Phillies and Red Sox now backed off, so this might be theres to take. I wonder if they are after Mitre or however it is spelt in Pittsburgh. The word is 12 teams are interested.

 

 

Marte?

Would be a huge steal. I know the Phillies and Red Sox now backed off, so this might be theres to take. I wonder if they are after Mitre or however it is spelt in Pittsburgh. The word is 12 teams are interested.

 

 

Marte?

 

lol, mixing up a marlins pitcher and a Pirates pitcher, thats funny

Would be a huge steal. I know the Phillies and Red Sox now backed off, so this might be theres to take. I wonder if they are after Mitre or however it is spelt in Pittsburgh. The word is 12 teams are interested.

 

 

Marte?

there ya go..

i just know its something with an M and rte... I heard not as much would have to be given up for him.

Hey Marlins2003...

 

I think I got a good deal, for what you're looking for!

 

But, it's not with the Rockies...it's with the Pirates.

 

We would get Damaso Marte (a guy who has held lefties to a .198 avg., and a .578 .OPS in his career)

We would also get Xavier Nady (career .320 avg., .878 .OPS against LH pitching) -- he plays 1B, and the corner outfield spots.

 

This year Xavier Nady has hit .333 with a .934 .OPS with 2 outs and .RISP.

Nady has hit .316 with an .897 .OPS in late & close situations.

 

Nady has a .313 avg., and a .949 .OPS against lefties this year (I emphasize this b/c our lineup has been the worst in MLB against left-handed pitching this year).

 

If that's what you mean by "situational." :thumbup

I keep reminding myself we traded three players for Urbina and two washed out, and the third, while now an excellent major leaguer took another year and a half or two to establish himself in MLB.

 

I still think we need a situational bat in the lineup somewhere (that's Fredi's job not mine) as well, which neither Hermida nor Jacobs provides, and since his comeback add Willingham to that list (although I'd reserve judgment there) but Hanley and Uggla and to a degree Ross aren't going to stop doing what they do. Cantu is the closest we have but I'm not sure he's more a contact hitter than a situational one, but I have to say it's become obvious that perhaps behind Gonzo, game smart he's the best guy out there.

Agreed but to be more specific I think the Marlins need to make a decision on Jacobs. Obviously catcher is a liability but the available options are limited.

 

If you follow the 'Topes, McPherson is in a terrible slide and has been since the end of the first week of the month. he reportedly had a hammy (contradictory info there) before the ASG and pulled out of the homerun derby and eventually the game, since then even worse (.077 in thirteen at bats, I know small sample size).

 

I don't think it's a slump. I suspect he's hurt or mending something, and it's complicating the Marlins' decision-making on Jacobs (and the other dominos that fall afterwards) because he does come with a history of physical problems. So far, there's nothing I can find one way or the other about him that may be at play here.

Hey Marlins2003...

 

I think I got a good deal, for what you're looking for!

 

But, it's not with the Rockies...it's with the Pirates.

 

We would get Damaso Marte (a guy who has held lefties to a .198 avg., and a .578 .OPS in his career)

We would also get Xavier Nady (career .320 avg., .878 .OPS against LH pitching) -- he plays 1B, and the corner outfield spots.

 

This year Xavier Nady has hit .333 with a .934 .OPS with 2 outs and .RISP.

Nady has hit .316 with an .897 .OPS in late & close situations.

 

Nady has a .313 avg., and a .949 .OPS against lefties this year (I emphasize this b/c our lineup has been the worst in MLB against left-handed pitching this year).

 

If that's what you mean by "situational." :thumbup

I like that going for Xavier Nady as well. This would give you two key parts and it would also take away Nady from the Rays :whistle

Hey Marlins2003...

 

I think I got a good deal, for what you're looking for!

 

But, it's not with the Rockies...it's with the Pirates.

 

We would get Damaso Marte (a guy who has held lefties to a .198 avg., and a .578 .OPS in his career)

We would also get Xavier Nady (career .320 avg., .878 .OPS against LH pitching) -- he plays 1B, and the corner outfield spots.

 

This year Xavier Nady has hit .333 with a .934 .OPS with 2 outs and .RISP.

Nady has hit .316 with an .897 .OPS in late & close situations.

 

Nady has a .313 avg., and a .949 .OPS against lefties this year (I emphasize this b/c our lineup has been the worst in MLB against left-handed pitching this year).

 

If that's what you mean by "situational." :thumbup

I like that going for Xavier Nady as well. This would give you two key parts and it would also take away Nady from the Rays :whistle

 

That would actually be a perfect deal right there.

If that's what you mean by "situational." :thumbup

 

Yes, although as much as I'm not in favor of getting the guy, you look at Paul LoDuca (a healthy Paul LoDuca) and the guy knows not just that he needs to get a hit because there's a man on second, he knows to hit it to right so to advance the runner and give him a better chance to score.

 

It's more than that but yeah, good RISP, close and late, rbis w/2 outs, those kind of indicators would mean a lot to a team that is horrendous at getting scorable runs across the plate. Some guys are instinctual hitters, some cerebral, I'm thinking the latter.

Well Jon Rauch is out, D-Backs just got him.

My question though would be...

 

We trade a couple prospects for Fuentes, and Fuentes leaves after the year (I'm 99.9 % positive he would)...what would we get back in terms of draft picks? I never really thought about that, until PWG brought it up.

 

Would we get a 1st rounder?

I'm guessing we would, since Luis Vizcaino, for example, got the Yankees a sandwich pick, I believe.

 

Type A = That team's first and a sandwhich pick

 

Also to clarify, it's not necessarilys the team's first pick. If the team has a top-15 draft choice, than it's protected and they won't lose it. If that is the case, you get the team's second round draft pick. Also, teams can sign more than one type A draft choice. So for instance, let's say Team 1 has the first pick in the draft and signs two type A FAs from Team 2 and Team 3. Team 2 would Team 1's second round pick, Team 3 would get only their third round pick. And farther and farther depending on the circumstances. I'm unsure what the deciding factor is in who gets the 2nd round pick and who gets the third, although I'm GUESSING it has to do with which FA was signed first.

the Marlins should target a cheaper alternative such as Jon Rauch.

 

 

 

The Diamondbacks just acquired Jon Rauch.

Also, Marte has a decent chance of being a type A FA (if he does, it'd be one of the bottom rungs. He just barely missed it last year), expecially if he comes here and closes game (saves has a lot to do with Type A/B rankings).

 

However, he's very very much more likely to accept arbitration, unlike Fuentes, so we probably wouldn't offer him arbitration.

I keep reminding myself we traded three players for Urbina and two washed out, and the third, while now an excellent major leaguer took another year and a half or two to establish himself in MLB.

 

I still think we need a situational bat in the lineup somewhere (that's Fredi's job not mine) as well, which neither Hermida nor Jacobs provides, and since his comeback add Willingham to that list (although I'd reserve judgment there) but Hanley and Uggla and to a degree Ross aren't going to stop doing what they do. Cantu is the closest we have but I'm not sure he's more a contact hitter than a situational one, but I have to say it's become obvious that perhaps behind Gonzo, game smart he's the best guy out there.

Agreed but to be more specific I think the Marlins need to make a decision on Jacobs. Obviously catcher is a liability but the available options are limited.

 

If you follow the 'Topes, McPherson is in a terrible slide and has been since the end of the first week of the month. he reportedly had a hammy (contradictory info there) before the ASG and pulled out of the homerun derby and eventually the game, since then even worse (.077 in thirteen at bats, I know small sample size).

 

I don't think it's a slump. I suspect he's hurt or mending something, and it's complicating the Marlins' decision-making on Jacobs (and the other dominos that fall afterwards) because he does come with a history of physical problems. So far, there's nothing I can find one way or the other about him that may be at play here.

 

Gaby Sanchez is another option, doing very well in AA, although that doesn't do jack for or defense since Cantu would have to stay at third and from what I've read, Gaby's not gonna be much better than Jake with the glove.

I keep reminding myself we traded three players for Urbina and two washed out, and the third, while now an excellent major leaguer took another year and a half or two to establish himself in MLB.

 

I still think we need a situational bat in the lineup somewhere (that's Fredi's job not mine) as well, which neither Hermida nor Jacobs provides, and since his comeback add Willingham to that list (although I'd reserve judgment there) but Hanley and Uggla and to a degree Ross aren't going to stop doing what they do. Cantu is the closest we have but I'm not sure he's more a contact hitter than a situational one, but I have to say it's become obvious that perhaps behind Gonzo, game smart he's the best guy out there.

 

100% agreed. Although closer is a question mark, my biggest concern is that our hitters lack situational skills. At times the lineup seems so "pitchable," and I think that hurts us if we get to the playoffs and see top notch veteran pitchers. Jacobs, IMO, is just an absolute joke of a hitter...I don't see his value except for the 3 weeks or so that he's scorching hot. Other than that he's God awful and really hurts the team in more ways than one.

 

Uggla and Ross are what they are (free swingers), but at least they have somewhat of a clue and they are giving you power at traditionally non-power positions. Hermida in theory should be that type of hitter, but who the hell knows what's up with him. He is a real enigma, and he just doesn't appear to worried about becoming a better player. Willingham is a good situational hitter, as is Cantu. We need to have another guy that in the lineup that doesn't just close his eyes and try to throw his back out with every swing.

 

Honestly, I think a Conine-type player would be perfect. Someone to take Jacobs' plays who may be less of a power threat, but has a clue at the plate. Hopefully wouldn't be too costly, in terms of prospects.

I keep reminding myself we traded three players for Urbina and two washed out, and the third, while now an excellent major leaguer took another year and a half or two to establish himself in MLB.

 

I still think we need a situational bat in the lineup somewhere (that's Fredi's job not mine) as well, which neither Hermida nor Jacobs provides, and since his comeback add Willingham to that list (although I'd reserve judgment there) but Hanley and Uggla and to a degree Ross aren't going to stop doing what they do. Cantu is the closest we have but I'm not sure he's more a contact hitter than a situational one, but I have to say it's become obvious that perhaps behind Gonzo, game smart he's the best guy out there.

 

100% agreed. Although closer is a question mark, my biggest concern is that our hitters lack situational skills. At times the lineup seems so "pitchable," and I think that hurts us if we get to the playoffs and see top notch veteran pitchers. Jacobs, IMO, is just an absolute joke of a hitter...I don't see his value except for the 3 weeks or so that he's scorching hot. Other than that he's God awful and really hurts the team in more ways than one.

 

Uggla and Ross are what they are (free swingers), but at least they have somewhat of a clue and they are giving you power at traditionally non-power positions. Hermida in theory should be that type of hitter, but who the hell knows what's up with him. He is a real enigma, and he just doesn't appear to worried about becoming a better player. Willingham is a good situational hitter, as is Cantu. We need to have another guy that in the lineup that doesn't just close his eyes and try to throw his back out with every swing.

 

Honestly, I think a Conine-type player would be perfect. Someone to take Jacobs' plays who may be less of a power threat, but has a clue at the plate. Hopefully wouldn't be too costly, in terms of prospects.

 

That's Xavier Nady...but he's one of the better hitters on the market.

I keep reminding myself we traded three players for Urbina and two washed out, and the third, while now an excellent major leaguer took another year and a half or two to establish himself in MLB.

 

I still think we need a situational bat in the lineup somewhere (that's Fredi's job not mine) as well, which neither Hermida nor Jacobs provides, and since his comeback add Willingham to that list (although I'd reserve judgment there) but Hanley and Uggla and to a degree Ross aren't going to stop doing what they do. Cantu is the closest we have but I'm not sure he's more a contact hitter than a situational one, but I have to say it's become obvious that perhaps behind Gonzo, game smart he's the best guy out there.

 

100% agreed. Although closer is a question mark, my biggest concern is that our hitters lack situational skills. At times the lineup seems so "pitchable," and I think that hurts us if we get to the playoffs and see top notch veteran pitchers. Jacobs, IMO, is just an absolute joke of a hitter...I don't see his value except for the 3 weeks or so that he's scorching hot. Other than that he's God awful and really hurts the team in more ways than one.

 

Uggla and Ross are what they are (free swingers), but at least they have somewhat of a clue and they are giving you power at traditionally non-power positions. Hermida in theory should be that type of hitter, but who the hell knows what's up with him. He is a real enigma, and he just doesn't appear to worried about becoming a better player. Willingham is a good situational hitter, as is Cantu. We need to have another guy that in the lineup that doesn't just close his eyes and try to throw his back out with every swing.

 

Honestly, I think a Conine-type player would be perfect. Someone to take Jacobs' plays who may be less of a power threat, but has a clue at the plate. Hopefully wouldn't be too costly, in terms of prospects.

 

That's Xavier Nady...but he's one of the better hitters on the market.

And a player a lot of people want. It would really be a great steal if they could get him. IT would even be very encouraging to be included in the talks.