August 11, 200818 yr why the hell is this conversation still going on? this is the same as "2 out of 3 just isn't enough" thread. People have different views on it. Yes the higher the WHIP the better chance people have of scoring, of course i would love for JJ to lower his WHIP, BUT he is 6-0, Wins and Losses is all that matters to me, I don't care if he gives up 15 walks with 20 hits, as long as we win the game. YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME! I swear i will have to put this as my sig to get people to relize the only important stat is wins and losses This conversation is still going on because it's about processes vs outcomes... you know what Wins and Losses are important, but guess what... runs decide wins and losses and ERA dictates runs and WHIP dictates ERA... so... follow the causal chain with me here... WHIP is DIRECTLY related to wins and losses... The reason it's being debated... and I keep repeating this ... HIGH WHIPS ARE BAD... but people keep arguing against it... you can throw as many Jim Mora and Herm Edwards and Vince Lombardi quotes at me all you want, but Im more concerned with the process of winning, I want to know if a pitcher is really doing good or if he's lucky... if he's just getting lucky, I know to expect some bad luck soon... if he's playing well, I can expect that to continue... And, if JJ gave up 15 walks and 20 hits, I promise you you would care, so would everyone, because that would mean a) something's seriously wrong with JJ and b) Fredi was stupid enough to leave him in for that... so no, you would care, and if he goes out his next start and goes 3 innings and gives up 8 runs, or has any other comparably bad start, everyone will be commenting about it... I say we should make a bet on the outcome of JJ's next start... :mischief seriously, that is what this whole arguement is about; The bet would have to include IP, walks, hits, K's, pitch count
August 11, 200818 yr why the hell is this conversation still going on? this is the same as "2 out of 3 just isn't enough" thread. People have different views on it. Yes the higher the WHIP the better chance people have of scoring, of course i would love for JJ to lower his WHIP, BUT he is 6-0, Wins and Losses is all that matters to me, I don't care if he gives up 15 walks with 20 hits, as long as we win the game. YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME! I swear i will have to put this as my sig to get people to relize the only important stat is wins and losses This conversation is still going on because it's about processes vs outcomes... you know what Wins and Losses are important, but guess what... runs decide wins and losses and ERA dictates runs and WHIP dictates ERA... so... follow the causal chain with me here... WHIP is DIRECTLY related to wins and losses... The reason it's being debated... and I keep repeating this ... HIGH WHIPS ARE BAD... but people keep arguing against it... you can throw as many Jim Mora and Herm Edwards and Vince Lombardi quotes at me all you want, but Im more concerned with the process of winning, I want to know if a pitcher is really doing good or if he's lucky... if he's just getting lucky, I know to expect some bad luck soon... if he's playing well, I can expect that to continue... And, if JJ gave up 15 walks and 20 hits, I promise you you would care, so would everyone, because that would mean a) something's seriously wrong with JJ and b) Fredi was stupid enough to leave him in for that... so no, you would care, and if he goes out his next start and goes 3 innings and gives up 8 runs, or has any other comparably bad start, everyone will be commenting about it... I say we should make a bet on the outcome of JJ's next start... :mischief I'll bet you JJ will have an ERA over 4 in his next start if he allows at least 1.4 baserunners per inning in that start. Wanna take that bet?
August 11, 200818 yr I say we should make a bet on the outcome of JJ's next start... :mischief I say it's like betting on whether or not it'll rain tomorrow, it's a flip of the coin... But I will say this... I'll bet you that JJ can't keep this up... By the end of the season JJ CAN NOT AND WILL NOT have a WHIP of 1.4 AND an ERA of less than 3.4
August 11, 200818 yr why the hell is this conversation still going on? this is the same as "2 out of 3 just isn't enough" thread. People have different views on it. Yes the higher the WHIP the better chance people have of scoring, of course i would love for JJ to lower his WHIP, BUT he is 6-0, Wins and Losses is all that matters to me, I don't care if he gives up 15 walks with 20 hits, as long as we win the game. YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME! I swear i will have to put this as my sig to get people to relize the only important stat is wins and losses This conversation is still going on because it's about processes vs outcomes... you know what Wins and Losses are important, but guess what... runs decide wins and losses and ERA dictates runs and WHIP dictates ERA... so... follow the causal chain with me here... WHIP is DIRECTLY related to wins and losses... The reason it's being debated... and I keep repeating this ... HIGH WHIPS ARE BAD... but people keep arguing against it... you can throw as many Jim Mora and Herm Edwards and Vince Lombardi quotes at me all you want, but Im more concerned with the process of winning, I want to know if a pitcher is really doing good or if he's lucky... if he's just getting lucky, I know to expect some bad luck soon... if he's playing well, I can expect that to continue... And, if JJ gave up 15 walks and 20 hits, I promise you you would care, so would everyone, because that would mean a) something's seriously wrong with JJ and b) Fredi was stupid enough to leave him in for that... so no, you would care, and if he goes out his next start and goes 3 innings and gives up 8 runs, or has any other comparably bad start, everyone will be commenting about it... I say we should make a bet on the outcome of JJ's next start... :mischief I'll bet you JJ will have an ERA over 4 in his next start if he allows at least 1.4 baserunners per inning in that start. Wanna take that bet? Deal. If I win, I'll say that you have to dedicate your sig to me for a week, and vice versa. How about though we just make it with the ERA part.
August 11, 200818 yr why the hell is this conversation still going on? this is the same as "2 out of 3 just isn't enough" thread. People have different views on it. Yes the higher the WHIP the better chance people have of scoring, of course i would love for JJ to lower his WHIP, BUT he is 6-0, Wins and Losses is all that matters to me, I don't care if he gives up 15 walks with 20 hits, as long as we win the game. YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME! I swear i will have to put this as my sig to get people to relize the only important stat is wins and losses This conversation is still going on because it's about processes vs outcomes... you know what Wins and Losses are important, but guess what... runs decide wins and losses and ERA dictates runs and WHIP dictates ERA... so... follow the causal chain with me here... WHIP is DIRECTLY related to wins and losses... The reason it's being debated... and I keep repeating this ... HIGH WHIPS ARE BAD... but people keep arguing against it... you can throw as many Jim Mora and Herm Edwards and Vince Lombardi quotes at me all you want, but Im more concerned with the process of winning, I want to know if a pitcher is really doing good or if he's lucky... if he's just getting lucky, I know to expect some bad luck soon... if he's playing well, I can expect that to continue... And, if JJ gave up 15 walks and 20 hits, I promise you you would care, so would everyone, because that would mean a) something's seriously wrong with JJ and b) Fredi was stupid enough to leave him in for that... so no, you would care, and if he goes out his next start and goes 3 innings and gives up 8 runs, or has any other comparably bad start, everyone will be commenting about it... I say we should make a bet on the outcome of JJ's next start... :mischief I'll bet you JJ will have an ERA over 4 in his next start if he allows at least 1.4 baserunners per inning in that start. Wanna take that bet? Deal. If I win, I'll say that you have to dedicate your sig to me for a week, and vice versa. The only thing I want to see in your sig if I win is "stats don't lie". That will make me happy.
August 11, 200818 yr why the hell is this conversation still going on? this is the same as "2 out of 3 just isn't enough" thread. People have different views on it. Yes the higher the WHIP the better chance people have of scoring, of course i would love for JJ to lower his WHIP, BUT he is 6-0, Wins and Losses is all that matters to me, I don't care if he gives up 15 walks with 20 hits, as long as we win the game. YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME! I swear i will have to put this as my sig to get people to relize the only important stat is wins and losses This conversation is still going on because it's about processes vs outcomes... you know what Wins and Losses are important, but guess what... runs decide wins and losses and ERA dictates runs and WHIP dictates ERA... so... follow the causal chain with me here... WHIP is DIRECTLY related to wins and losses... The reason it's being debated... and I keep repeating this ... HIGH WHIPS ARE BAD... but people keep arguing against it... you can throw as many Jim Mora and Herm Edwards and Vince Lombardi quotes at me all you want, but Im more concerned with the process of winning, I want to know if a pitcher is really doing good or if he's lucky... if he's just getting lucky, I know to expect some bad luck soon... if he's playing well, I can expect that to continue... And, if JJ gave up 15 walks and 20 hits, I promise you you would care, so would everyone, because that would mean a) something's seriously wrong with JJ and b) Fredi was stupid enough to leave him in for that... so no, you would care, and if he goes out his next start and goes 3 innings and gives up 8 runs, or has any other comparably bad start, everyone will be commenting about it... I say we should make a bet on the outcome of JJ's next start... :mischief I'll bet you JJ will have an ERA over 4 in his next start if he allows at least 1.4 baserunners per inning in that start. Wanna take that bet? Deal. If I win, I'll say that you have to dedicate your sig to me for a week, and vice versa. The only thing I want to see in your sig if I win is "stats don't lie". That will make me happy. Sorry, I didn't read the whole bet, how about we just say if JJ finishes the night with an ERA over 4, you win, and if its under 4, I win?
August 11, 200818 yr why the hell is this conversation still going on? this is the same as "2 out of 3 just isn't enough" thread. People have different views on it. Yes the higher the WHIP the better chance people have of scoring, of course i would love for JJ to lower his WHIP, BUT he is 6-0, Wins and Losses is all that matters to me, I don't care if he gives up 15 walks with 20 hits, as long as we win the game. YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME! I swear i will have to put this as my sig to get people to relize the only important stat is wins and losses This conversation is still going on because it's about processes vs outcomes... you know what Wins and Losses are important, but guess what... runs decide wins and losses and ERA dictates runs and WHIP dictates ERA... so... follow the causal chain with me here... WHIP is DIRECTLY related to wins and losses... The reason it's being debated... and I keep repeating this ... HIGH WHIPS ARE BAD... but people keep arguing against it... you can throw as many Jim Mora and Herm Edwards and Vince Lombardi quotes at me all you want, but Im more concerned with the process of winning, I want to know if a pitcher is really doing good or if he's lucky... if he's just getting lucky, I know to expect some bad luck soon... if he's playing well, I can expect that to continue... And, if JJ gave up 15 walks and 20 hits, I promise you you would care, so would everyone, because that would mean a) something's seriously wrong with JJ and b) Fredi was stupid enough to leave him in for that... so no, you would care, and if he goes out his next start and goes 3 innings and gives up 8 runs, or has any other comparably bad start, everyone will be commenting about it... I say we should make a bet on the outcome of JJ's next start... :mischief I'll bet you JJ will have an ERA over 4 in his next start if he allows at least 1.4 baserunners per inning in that start. Wanna take that bet? Deal. If I win, I'll say that you have to dedicate your sig to me for a week, and vice versa. The only thing I want to see in your sig if I win is "stats don't lie". That will make me happy. Sorry, I didn't read the whole bet, how about we just say if JJ finishes the night with an ERA over 4, you win, and if its under 4, I win? No because then the bet has nothing to do with what we've been discussing for the past 6 pages in this thread. Ugh just don't worry about it, I don't want to win a stupid bet with you, I'd rather you realize what we're trying to say, and thats just not going to happen.
August 11, 200818 yr why the hell is this conversation still going on? this is the same as "2 out of 3 just isn't enough" thread. People have different views on it. Yes the higher the WHIP the better chance people have of scoring, of course i would love for JJ to lower his WHIP, BUT he is 6-0, Wins and Losses is all that matters to me, I don't care if he gives up 15 walks with 20 hits, as long as we win the game. YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME! I swear i will have to put this as my sig to get people to relize the only important stat is wins and losses This conversation is still going on because it's about processes vs outcomes... you know what Wins and Losses are important, but guess what... runs decide wins and losses and ERA dictates runs and WHIP dictates ERA... so... follow the causal chain with me here... WHIP is DIRECTLY related to wins and losses... The reason it's being debated... and I keep repeating this ... HIGH WHIPS ARE BAD... but people keep arguing against it... you can throw as many Jim Mora and Herm Edwards and Vince Lombardi quotes at me all you want, but Im more concerned with the process of winning, I want to know if a pitcher is really doing good or if he's lucky... if he's just getting lucky, I know to expect some bad luck soon... if he's playing well, I can expect that to continue... And, if JJ gave up 15 walks and 20 hits, I promise you you would care, so would everyone, because that would mean a) something's seriously wrong with JJ and b) Fredi was stupid enough to leave him in for that... so no, you would care, and if he goes out his next start and goes 3 innings and gives up 8 runs, or has any other comparably bad start, everyone will be commenting about it... I say we should make a bet on the outcome of JJ's next start... :mischief I'll bet you JJ will have an ERA over 4 in his next start if he allows at least 1.4 baserunners per inning in that start. Wanna take that bet? Deal. If I win, I'll say that you have to dedicate your sig to me for a week, and vice versa. The only thing I want to see in your sig if I win is "stats don't lie". That will make me happy. Sorry, I didn't read the whole bet, how about we just say if JJ finishes the night with an ERA over 4, you win, and if its under 4, I win. JJ would have to have a TERRIBLE start to do that. In the area of 6 ER in 4 or 5 innings.
August 11, 200818 yr why the hell is this conversation still going on? this is the same as "2 out of 3 just isn't enough" thread. People have different views on it. Yes the higher the WHIP the better chance people have of scoring, of course i would love for JJ to lower his WHIP, BUT he is 6-0, Wins and Losses is all that matters to me, I don't care if he gives up 15 walks with 20 hits, as long as we win the game. YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME! I swear i will have to put this as my sig to get people to relize the only important stat is wins and losses This conversation is still going on because it's about processes vs outcomes... you know what Wins and Losses are important, but guess what... runs decide wins and losses and ERA dictates runs and WHIP dictates ERA... so... follow the causal chain with me here... WHIP is DIRECTLY related to wins and losses... The reason it's being debated... and I keep repeating this ... HIGH WHIPS ARE BAD... but people keep arguing against it... you can throw as many Jim Mora and Herm Edwards and Vince Lombardi quotes at me all you want, but Im more concerned with the process of winning, I want to know if a pitcher is really doing good or if he's lucky... if he's just getting lucky, I know to expect some bad luck soon... if he's playing well, I can expect that to continue... And, if JJ gave up 15 walks and 20 hits, I promise you you would care, so would everyone, because that would mean a) something's seriously wrong with JJ and b) Fredi was stupid enough to leave him in for that... so no, you would care, and if he goes out his next start and goes 3 innings and gives up 8 runs, or has any other comparably bad start, everyone will be commenting about it... I say we should make a bet on the outcome of JJ's next start... :mischief I'll bet you JJ will have an ERA over 4 in his next start if he allows at least 1.4 baserunners per inning in that start. Wanna take that bet? Deal. If I win, I'll say that you have to dedicate your sig to me for a week, and vice versa. The only thing I want to see in your sig if I win is "stats don't lie". That will make me happy. Sorry, I didn't read the whole bet, how about we just say if JJ finishes the night with an ERA over 4, you win, and if its under 4, I win? No because then the bet has nothing to do with what we've been discussing for the past 6 pages in this thread. Ugh just don't worry about it, I don't want to win a stupid bet with you, I'd rather you realize what we're trying to say, and thats just not going to happen. Whatever, I'll take your bet then.
August 11, 200818 yr why the hell is this conversation still going on? this is the same as "2 out of 3 just isn't enough" thread. People have different views on it. Yes the higher the WHIP the better chance people have of scoring, of course i would love for JJ to lower his WHIP, BUT he is 6-0, Wins and Losses is all that matters to me, I don't care if he gives up 15 walks with 20 hits, as long as we win the game. YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME! I swear i will have to put this as my sig to get people to relize the only important stat is wins and losses This conversation is still going on because it's about processes vs outcomes... you know what Wins and Losses are important, but guess what... runs decide wins and losses and ERA dictates runs and WHIP dictates ERA... so... follow the causal chain with me here... WHIP is DIRECTLY related to wins and losses... The reason it's being debated... and I keep repeating this ... HIGH WHIPS ARE BAD... but people keep arguing against it... you can throw as many Jim Mora and Herm Edwards and Vince Lombardi quotes at me all you want, but Im more concerned with the process of winning, I want to know if a pitcher is really doing good or if he's lucky... if he's just getting lucky, I know to expect some bad luck soon... if he's playing well, I can expect that to continue... And, if JJ gave up 15 walks and 20 hits, I promise you you would care, so would everyone, because that would mean a) something's seriously wrong with JJ and b) Fredi was stupid enough to leave him in for that... so no, you would care, and if he goes out his next start and goes 3 innings and gives up 8 runs, or has any other comparably bad start, everyone will be commenting about it... I say we should make a bet on the outcome of JJ's next start... :mischief I'll bet you JJ will have an ERA over 4 in his next start if he allows at least 1.4 baserunners per inning in that start. Wanna take that bet? Deal. If I win, I'll say that you have to dedicate your sig to me for a week, and vice versa. The only thing I want to see in your sig if I win is "stats don't lie". That will make me happy. Sorry, I didn't read the whole bet, how about we just say if JJ finishes the night with an ERA over 4, you win, and if its under 4, I win. JJ would have to have a TERRIBLE start to do that. In the area of 6 ER in 4 or 5 innings. I think he meant over 4 in that same start. At least, thats what I meant when I said it.
August 11, 200818 yr There are some oddities that appear in stats when you focus very narrowly. 1.4 WHIP pitchers tend to have higher ERAs, but an individual 1.4 WHIP pitcher can maintain a low ERA due to some quirks of his pitching style. Some pitchers are better out of the stretch, or don't surrender many extra base hits, or other such non-WHIP elements.
August 11, 200818 yr why the hell is this conversation still going on? this is the same as "2 out of 3 just isn't enough" thread. People have different views on it. Yes the higher the WHIP the better chance people have of scoring, of course i would love for JJ to lower his WHIP, BUT he is 6-0, Wins and Losses is all that matters to me, I don't care if he gives up 15 walks with 20 hits, as long as we win the game. YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME! I swear i will have to put this as my sig to get people to relize the only important stat is wins and losses This conversation is still going on because it's about processes vs outcomes... you know what Wins and Losses are important, but guess what... runs decide wins and losses and ERA dictates runs and WHIP dictates ERA... so... follow the causal chain with me here... WHIP is DIRECTLY related to wins and losses... The reason it's being debated... and I keep repeating this ... HIGH WHIPS ARE BAD... but people keep arguing against it... you can throw as many Jim Mora and Herm Edwards and Vince Lombardi quotes at me all you want, but Im more concerned with the process of winning, I want to know if a pitcher is really doing good or if he's lucky... if he's just getting lucky, I know to expect some bad luck soon... if he's playing well, I can expect that to continue... And, if JJ gave up 15 walks and 20 hits, I promise you you would care, so would everyone, because that would mean a) something's seriously wrong with JJ and b) Fredi was stupid enough to leave him in for that... so no, you would care, and if he goes out his next start and goes 3 innings and gives up 8 runs, or has any other comparably bad start, everyone will be commenting about it... I say we should make a bet on the outcome of JJ's next start... :mischief I'll bet you JJ will have an ERA over 4 in his next start if he allows at least 1.4 baserunners per inning in that start. Wanna take that bet? Deal. If I win, I'll say that you have to dedicate your sig to me for a week, and vice versa. The only thing I want to see in your sig if I win is "stats don't lie". That will make me happy. Sorry, I didn't read the whole bet, how about we just say if JJ finishes the night with an ERA over 4, you win, and if its under 4, I win. JJ would have to have a TERRIBLE start to do that. In the area of 6 ER in 4 or 5 innings. I think he meant over 4 in that same start. At least, thats what I meant when I said it. Same here. So are we making the bet?
August 11, 200818 yr There are some oddities that appear in stats when you focus very narrowly. 1.4 WHIP pitchers tend to have higher ERAs, but an individual 1.4 WHIP pitcher can maintain a low ERA due to some quirks of his pitching style. Some pitchers are better out of the stretch, or don't surrender many extra base hits, or other such non-WHIP elements. For the record I never said he was for sure going to end up with an ERA in the 4s. I just said that his WHIP worried me a bit. In 2006, he had the same ERA but a WHIP that was .100 lower.
August 11, 200818 yr So are we making the bet? I really don't care... if you want, but it doesn't matter. You still never got a word of what I was trying to say, and this whole topic was a waste of my time.
August 11, 200818 yr So are we making the bet? I really don't care... if you want, but it doesn't matter. You still never got a word of what I was trying to say, and this whole topic was a waste of my time. No, I understood what you were saying...it's just that we have different opinions...which isn't unheard of.
August 11, 200818 yr So are we making the bet? I really don't care... if you want, but it doesn't matter. You still never got a word of what I was trying to say, and this whole topic was a waste of my time. No, I understood what you were saying...it's just that we have different opinions...which isn't unheard of. No you didn't, because its not an opinion. Its coming to a logical conclusion when presented with a certain set of parameters, like a higher WHIP = more likelihood of a higher ERA. I guess you could say its your opinion that you don't need to use logic, but meh, then I realllllly wasted my time.
August 11, 200818 yr There are some oddities that appear in stats when you focus very narrowly. 1.4 WHIP pitchers tend to have higher ERAs, but an individual 1.4 WHIP pitcher can maintain a low ERA due to some quirks of his pitching style. Some pitchers are better out of the stretch, or don't surrender many extra base hits, or other such non-WHIP elements. For the record I never said he was for sure going to end up with an ERA in the 4s. I just said that his WHIP worried me a bit. In 2006, he had the same ERA but a WHIP that was .100 lower. Certainly, the sample size on this work so far is so small (6 starts) that the WHIP could drastically alter with a single outing.
August 11, 200818 yr There are some oddities that appear in stats when you focus very narrowly. 1.4 WHIP pitchers tend to have higher ERAs, but an individual 1.4 WHIP pitcher can maintain a low ERA due to some quirks of his pitching style. Some pitchers are better out of the stretch, or don't surrender many extra base hits, or other such non-WHIP elements. For the record I never said he was for sure going to end up with an ERA in the 4s. I just said that his WHIP worried me a bit. In 2006, he had the same ERA but a WHIP that was .100 lower. Certainly, the sample size on this work so far is so small (6 starts) that the WHIP could drastically alter with a single outing. Right, and I know I've acknowledged that with the blanket statement of either the ERA goes up or the WHIP goes down...
August 11, 200818 yr So are we making the bet? I really don't care... if you want, but it doesn't matter. You still never got a word of what I was trying to say, and this whole topic was a waste of my time. No, I understood what you were saying...it's just that we have different opinions...which isn't unheard of. No you didn't, because its not an opinion. Its coming to a logical conclusion when presented with a certain set of parameters, like a higher WHIP = more likelihood of a higher ERA. I guess you could say its your opinion that you don't need to use logic, but meh, then I realllllly wasted my time. Look, this is not a math equation where there is only one correct answer. If something is not a fact, than its an opinion, simple as that.
August 11, 200818 yr So are we making the bet? I really don't care... if you want, but it doesn't matter. You still never got a word of what I was trying to say, and this whole topic was a waste of my time. No, I understood what you were saying...it's just that we have different opinions...which isn't unheard of. No you didn't, because its not an opinion. Its coming to a logical conclusion when presented with a certain set of parameters, like a higher WHIP = more likelihood of a higher ERA. I guess you could say its your opinion that you don't need to use logic, but meh, then I realllllly wasted my time. Look, this is not a math equation where there is only one correct answer. If something is not a fact, than its an opinion, simple as that. The bolded is a fact :blink:
August 11, 200818 yr So are we making the bet? I really don't care... if you want, but it doesn't matter. You still never got a word of what I was trying to say, and this whole topic was a waste of my time. No, I understood what you were saying...it's just that we have different opinions...which isn't unheard of. No you didn't, because its not an opinion. Its coming to a logical conclusion when presented with a certain set of parameters, like a higher WHIP = more likelihood of a higher ERA. I guess you could say its your opinion that you don't need to use logic, but meh, then I realllllly wasted my time. Look, this is not a math equation where there is only one correct answer. If something is not a fact, than its an opinion, simple as that. The bolded is a fact :blink: Agreed, there is more likelihood, but it is not definate.
August 11, 200818 yr There are some oddities that appear in stats when you focus very narrowly. 1.4 WHIP pitchers tend to have higher ERAs, but an individual 1.4 WHIP pitcher can maintain a low ERA due to some quirks of his pitching style. Some pitchers are better out of the stretch, or don't surrender many extra base hits, or other such non-WHIP elements. For the record I never said he was for sure going to end up with an ERA in the 4s. I just said that his WHIP worried me a bit. In 2006, he had the same ERA but a WHIP that was .100 lower. Certainly, the sample size on this work so far is so small (6 starts) that the WHIP could drastically alter with a single outing. Yeah, but look at it by game. 1.2 1.5 1.69 1.5 1.5 1.0 With the exception of 2 games, he's been putting atleast 1.5 guys on base per inning. Worries me.
August 11, 200818 yr Agreed, there is more likelihood, but it is not definate. It's like 90%+ certain which... you know... is alarming... and worth saying that Josh Johnson has about a 90% chance he's getting lucky right now
August 11, 200818 yr So are we making the bet? I really don't care... if you want, but it doesn't matter. You still never got a word of what I was trying to say, and this whole topic was a waste of my time. No, I understood what you were saying...it's just that we have different opinions...which isn't unheard of. No you didn't, because its not an opinion. Its coming to a logical conclusion when presented with a certain set of parameters, like a higher WHIP = more likelihood of a higher ERA. I guess you could say its your opinion that you don't need to use logic, but meh, then I realllllly wasted my time. Look, this is not a math equation where there is only one correct answer. If something is not a fact, than its an opinion, simple as that. The bolded is a fact :blink: Agreed, there is more likelihood, but it is not definate. Nobody said it was definite, only you did. The probability is though, and thats all we are saying. We (such as myself, PWG, Rabb and I'm not sure who else) would prefer to have the odds on our side. You don't care, so long as he wins. In other words, you only want to play the result, and don't care how he gets there. Personally I'm not a huge stats guy myself, but when using them, I try to understand what they all mean. When I make assessments that go against the stats, they are based on my own observations of the game, not misinterpreting or placing unwarranted value on other stats, like you are with ERA.
August 11, 200818 yr Agreed, there is more likelihood, but it is not definate. It's like 90%+ certain which... you know... is alarming... and worth saying that Josh Johnson has about a 90% chance he's getting lucky right now I dont care if there is a 99.9% chance, its not definate.
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