August 11, 200818 yr Agreed, there is more likelihood, but it is not definate. It's like 90%+ certain which... you know... is alarming... and worth saying that Josh Johnson has about a 90% chance he's getting lucky right now I dont care if there is a 99.9% chance, its not definate. O rly? Thank you CAPTAIN OBVIOUS Wow omg... I give UP... seriously I refuse to post in this thread again, you can call my mother out for all I care, nothing will get me to post on this thread again.
August 11, 200818 yr So are we making the bet? I really don't care... if you want, but it doesn't matter. You still never got a word of what I was trying to say, and this whole topic was a waste of my time. No, I understood what you were saying...it's just that we have different opinions...which isn't unheard of. No you didn't, because its not an opinion. Its coming to a logical conclusion when presented with a certain set of parameters, like a higher WHIP = more likelihood of a higher ERA. I guess you could say its your opinion that you don't need to use logic, but meh, then I realllllly wasted my time. Look, this is not a math equation where there is only one correct answer. If something is not a fact, than its an opinion, simple as that. The bolded is a fact :blink: Agreed, there is more likelihood, but it is not definate. Nobody said it was definite, only you did. The probability is though, and thats all we are saying. We (such as myself, PWG, Rabb and I'm not sure who else) would prefer to have the odds on our side. You don't care, so long as he wins. In other words, you only want to play the result, and don't care how he gets there. Personally I'm not a huge stats guy myself, but when using them, I try to understand what they all mean. When I make assessments that go against the stats, they are based on my own observations of the game, not misinterpreting or placing unwarranted value on other stats, like you are with ERA. Alright, which one would you rather have. A: JJ gives up 10 ER in 6 innings. Marlins win. OR B: JJ gives up 1 ER in 6 Innings. Marlins win. In my opinion, there are the same. This isn't the NCAA where the score matters, a win is a win.
August 11, 200818 yr Agreed, there is more likelihood, but it is not definate. It's like 90%+ certain which... you know... is alarming... and worth saying that Josh Johnson has about a 90% chance he's getting lucky right now I dont care if there is a 99.9% chance, its not definate. O rly? Thank you CAPTAIN OBVIOUS Wow omg... I give UP... seriously I refuse to post in this thread again, you can call my mother out for all I care, nothing will get me to post on this thread again. :confused
August 11, 200818 yr So are we making the bet? I really don't care... if you want, but it doesn't matter. You still never got a word of what I was trying to say, and this whole topic was a waste of my time. No, I understood what you were saying...it's just that we have different opinions...which isn't unheard of. No you didn't, because its not an opinion. Its coming to a logical conclusion when presented with a certain set of parameters, like a higher WHIP = more likelihood of a higher ERA. I guess you could say its your opinion that you don't need to use logic, but meh, then I realllllly wasted my time. Look, this is not a math equation where there is only one correct answer. If something is not a fact, than its an opinion, simple as that. The bolded is a fact :blink: Agreed, there is more likelihood, but it is not definate. Nobody said it was definite, only you did. The probability is though, and thats all we are saying. We (such as myself, PWG, Rabb and I'm not sure who else) would prefer to have the odds on our side. You don't care, so long as he wins. In other words, you only want to play the result, and don't care how he gets there. Personally I'm not a huge stats guy myself, but when using them, I try to understand what they all mean. When I make assessments that go against the stats, they are based on my own observations of the game, not misinterpreting or placing unwarranted value on other stats, like you are with ERA. Alright, which one would you rather have. A: JJ gives up 10 ER in 6 innings. Marlins win. OR B: JJ gives up 1 ER in 6 Innings. Marlins win. In my opinion, there are the same. This isn't the NCAA where the score matters, a win is a win. What would you rather have going into a game? A: JJ likely to give up 4 ER in 6 innings because he puts tons of guys on base. Marlins might win or lose depending on the offense. Or B: JJ likely to give up 2 or 3 ER because he is putting a few guys on base. Marlins offense now has to do less to win than the other option.
August 11, 200818 yr Agreed, there is more likelihood, but it is not definate. It's like 90%+ certain which... you know... is alarming... and worth saying that Josh Johnson has about a 90% chance he's getting lucky right now I dont care if there is a 99.9% chance, its not definate. O rly? Thank you CAPTAIN OBVIOUS Wow omg... I give UP... seriously I refuse to post in this thread again, you can call my mother out for all I care, nothing will get me to post on this thread again. :confused I like the red, it gets the point across
August 11, 200818 yr I am calling out Renteriaupthemiddle's mom :mischief Cool, you're funny, I see what you did there... because he said he wouldn't come back if you did that... so you did it to see if he would... HI-LARIOUS :|
August 11, 200818 yr So are we making the bet? I really don't care... if you want, but it doesn't matter. You still never got a word of what I was trying to say, and this whole topic was a waste of my time. No, I understood what you were saying...it's just that we have different opinions...which isn't unheard of. No you didn't, because its not an opinion. Its coming to a logical conclusion when presented with a certain set of parameters, like a higher WHIP = more likelihood of a higher ERA. I guess you could say its your opinion that you don't need to use logic, but meh, then I realllllly wasted my time. Look, this is not a math equation where there is only one correct answer. If something is not a fact, than its an opinion, simple as that. The bolded is a fact :blink: Agreed, there is more likelihood, but it is not definate. Nobody said it was definite, only you did. The probability is though, and thats all we are saying. We (such as myself, PWG, Rabb and I'm not sure who else) would prefer to have the odds on our side. You don't care, so long as he wins. In other words, you only want to play the result, and don't care how he gets there. Personally I'm not a huge stats guy myself, but when using them, I try to understand what they all mean. When I make assessments that go against the stats, they are based on my own observations of the game, not misinterpreting or placing unwarranted value on other stats, like you are with ERA. Alright, which one would you rather have. A: JJ gives up 10 ER in 6 innings. Marlins win. OR B: JJ gives up 1 ER in 6 Innings. Marlins win. In my opinion, there are the same. This isn't the NCAA where the score matters, a win is a win. What would you rather have going into a game? A: JJ likely to give up 4 ER in 6 innings because he puts tons of guys on base. Marlins might win or lose depending on the offense. Or B: JJ likely to give up 2 or 3 ER because he is putting a few guys on base. Marlins offense now has to do less to win than the other option. The obvious answer is B, but as long as the Marlins win, Im happy.
August 11, 200818 yr The obvious answer is B, but as long as the Marlins win, Im happy. Why is B obvious?
August 11, 200818 yr I am calling out Renteriaupthemiddle's mom :mischief Cool, you're funny, I see what you did there... because he said he wouldn't come back if you did that... so you did it to see if he would... HI-LARIOUS :| wow, u are like the guy the walks into the party and kills it. Thanks for killing a joke. thank u so very much
August 11, 200818 yr The obvious answer is B, but as long as the Marlins win, Im happy. Why is B obvious? You're just trying to set me up for that one...Im done for now, I want to watch the game.
August 11, 200818 yr I am calling out Renteriaupthemiddle's mom :mischief Cool, you're funny, I see what you did there... because he said he wouldn't come back if you did that... so you did it to see if he would... HI-LARIOUS :| wow, u are like the guy the walks into the party and kills it. Thanks for killing a joke. thank u so very much
August 11, 200818 yr I am calling out Renteriaupthemiddle's mom :mischief Cool, you're funny, I see what you did there... because he said he wouldn't come back if you did that... so you did it to see if he would... HI-LARIOUS :| wow, u are like the guy the walks into the party and kills it. Thanks for killing a joke. thank u so very much Oh man... and you know what? You're right, he's about to post! :| why do u feel the need to respond to me if ur not going to say anything useful? U are just wasting 10 seconds of my very important life :cool
August 11, 200818 yr I am calling out Renteriaupthemiddle's mom :mischief Cool, you're funny, I see what you did there... because he said he wouldn't come back if you did that... so you did it to see if he would... HI-LARIOUS :| wow, u are like the guy the walks into the party and kills it. Thanks for killing a joke. thank u so very much Oh man... and you know what? You're right, he's about to post! :| why do u feel the need to respond to me if ur not going to say anything useful? U are just wasting 10 seconds of my very important life :cool u got the 10 sec part right important life meh jk ur my dog dim
August 11, 200818 yr I am calling out Renteriaupthemiddle's mom :mischief Cool, you're funny, I see what you did there... because he said he wouldn't come back if you did that... so you did it to see if he would... HI-LARIOUS :| wow, u are like the guy the walks into the party and kills it. Thanks for killing a joke. thank u so very much Oh man... and you know what? You're right, he's about to post! :| why do u feel the need to respond to me if ur not going to say anything useful? U are just wasting 10 seconds of my very important life :cool u got the 10 sec part right important life meh jk ur my dog dim eh I'm on an internet forum, how much of a life can i possibly have? LOL
August 11, 200818 yr So are we making the bet? I really don't care... if you want, but it doesn't matter. You still never got a word of what I was trying to say, and this whole topic was a waste of my time. No, I understood what you were saying...it's just that we have different opinions...which isn't unheard of. No you didn't, because its not an opinion. Its coming to a logical conclusion when presented with a certain set of parameters, like a higher WHIP = more likelihood of a higher ERA. I guess you could say its your opinion that you don't need to use logic, but meh, then I realllllly wasted my time. Let me make sure this is clear to you, regardless of what you believe he has a right to his own opinion, which is exactly what this is, an opinion. Fact: Josh Johnson pitches for the Marlins. Opinion: WHIP is more important than ERA/ERA is more important than WHIP.
August 11, 200818 yr So are we making the bet? I really don't care... if you want, but it doesn't matter. You still never got a word of what I was trying to say, and this whole topic was a waste of my time. No, I understood what you were saying...it's just that we have different opinions...which isn't unheard of. No you didn't, because its not an opinion. Its coming to a logical conclusion when presented with a certain set of parameters, like a higher WHIP = more likelihood of a higher ERA. I guess you could say its your opinion that you don't need to use logic, but meh, then I realllllly wasted my time. Let me make sure this is clear to you, regardless of what you believe he has a right to his own opinion, which is exactly what this is, an opinion. Fact: Josh Johnson pitches for the Marlins. Opinion: WHIP is more important than ERA/ERA is more important than WHIP. Fact: I said higher WHIP = more likelihood of a higher ERA, not ERA is more important than WHIP or vice versa Fact: You misinterpreted what I said just like he did Fact: I never questioned his right to have an opinion Fact: I lied when I said I'm done with this thread. Damnit. Opinion: This thread sucks.
August 11, 200818 yr Alright, which one would you rather have. A: JJ gives up 10 ER in 6 innings. Marlins win. OR B: JJ gives up 1 ER in 6 Innings. Marlins win. In my opinion, there are the same. This isn't the NCAA where the score matters, a win is a win. This opiniated post isn't even relevant to the thread. This thread is about Josh Johnson "officially reclaiming his spot as the ace of the rotation." The thread is about Josh Johnson, the individual. NOT Josh Johnson's team. FACT is, a pitcher who has a WHIP of 1.4+ is NOT an ace. Does this mean JJ is NOT an ace? No. It's been 6 starts, and he's done fairly well, considering he's coming back from a big injury. With that said, his CURRENT #'s aren't ace status. Ace is Ricky Nolasco in his last 12 games. That's what everyone is trying to get across, and I'm not sure you're getting it. As far as your two scenarios...as a MARLINS FAN, I'd take both. With that said, I'd highly prefer JJ giving up 1 ER, b/c if he would give up 10 ER and get a win...it will LIKELY not happen again. As a matter of fact, if JJ allows 10 runs, and is allowed to pitch 6 innings, Fredi Gonzalez would probably be fired on the spot.
August 12, 200818 yr So are we making the bet? I really don't care... if you want, but it doesn't matter. You still never got a word of what I was trying to say, and this whole topic was a waste of my time. No, I understood what you were saying...it's just that we have different opinions...which isn't unheard of. No you didn't, because its not an opinion. Its coming to a logical conclusion when presented with a certain set of parameters, like a higher WHIP = more likelihood of a higher ERA. I guess you could say its your opinion that you don't need to use logic, but meh, then I realllllly wasted my time. Let me make sure this is clear to you, regardless of what you believe he has a right to his own opinion, which is exactly what this is, an opinion. Fact: Josh Johnson pitches for the Marlins. Opinion: WHIP is more important than ERA/ERA is more important than WHIP. Fact: I said higher WHIP = more likelihood of a higher ERA, not ERA is more important than WHIP or vice versa Fact: You misinterpreted what I said just like he did Fact: I never questioned his right to have an opinion Fact: I lied when I said I'm done with this thread. Damnit. Opinion: This thread sucks. What if... John Doe: "I have seen some pitchers with high WHIP's, but I really believe that the good pitchers can still manage to keep their ERA low by getting out's when the pressure is on and the opposition has men on base." What do you think Bob? Bob Smith: "I disagree John, I think the pitchers with low WHIP's should also have a low ERA, it just makes more sense John. Although the opinion might not make a lot of sense, it would still be an opinion.
August 12, 200818 yr This opiniated post isn't even relevant to the thread. This thread is about Josh Johnson "officially reclaiming his spot as the ace of the rotation." The thread is about Josh Johnson, the individual. NOT Josh Johnson's team. FACT is, a pitcher who has a WHIP of 1.4+ is NOT an ace. Does this mean JJ is NOT an ace? No. It's been 6 starts, and he's done fairly well, considering he's coming back from a big injury. With that said, his CURRENT #'s aren't ace status. Ace is Ricky Nolasco in his last 12 games. That's what everyone is trying to get across, and I'm not sure you're getting it. As far as your two scenarios...as a MARLINS FAN, I'd take both. With that said, I'd highly prefer JJ giving up 1 ER, b/c if he would give up 10 ER and get a win...it will LIKELY not happen again. As a matter of fact, if JJ allows 10 runs, and is allowed to pitch 6 innings, Fredi Gonzalez would probably be fired on the spot. I never said JJ was the ace.
August 12, 200818 yr So are we making the bet? I really don't care... if you want, but it doesn't matter. You still never got a word of what I was trying to say, and this whole topic was a waste of my time. No, I understood what you were saying...it's just that we have different opinions...which isn't unheard of. No you didn't, because its not an opinion. Its coming to a logical conclusion when presented with a certain set of parameters, like a higher WHIP = more likelihood of a higher ERA. I guess you could say its your opinion that you don't need to use logic, but meh, then I realllllly wasted my time. Let me make sure this is clear to you, regardless of what you believe he has a right to his own opinion, which is exactly what this is, an opinion. Fact: Josh Johnson pitches for the Marlins. Opinion: WHIP is more important than ERA/ERA is more important than WHIP. Fact: I said higher WHIP = more likelihood of a higher ERA, not ERA is more important than WHIP or vice versa Fact: You misinterpreted what I said just like he did Fact: I never questioned his right to have an opinion Fact: I lied when I said I'm done with this thread. Damnit. Opinion: This thread sucks. What if... John Doe: "I have seen some pitchers with high WHIP's, but I really believe that the good pitchers can still manage to keep their ERA low by getting out's when the pressure is on and the opposition has men on base." What do you think Bob? Bob Smith: "I disagree John, I think the pitchers with low WHIP's should also have a low ERA, it just makes more sense John. Although the opinion might not make a lot of sense, it would still be an opinion. Bob Smith: "Actually John you could be right, but it is more likely that his ERA will rise over time if his WHIP stays that high." John Doe: "I don't care as long as we keep winning." Bob Smith: "Yes John we all want to win, I'm just saying for him to keep his ERA low and increase our chances of winning, he'll probably have to lower his WHIP eventually." John Doe: "I don't care as long as we keep winning." Bob Smith: *kills himself*
August 12, 200818 yr Alright, which one would you rather have. A: JJ gives up 10 ER in 6 innings. Marlins win. OR B: JJ gives up 1 ER in 6 Innings. Marlins win. In my opinion, there are the same. This isn't the NCAA where the score matters, a win is a win. This opiniated post isn't even relevant to the thread. This thread is about Josh Johnson "officially reclaiming his spot as the ace of the rotation." The thread is about Josh Johnson, the individual. NOT Josh Johnson's team. FACT is, a pitcher who has a WHIP of 1.4+ is NOT an ace. Does this mean JJ is NOT an ace? No. It's been 6 starts, and he's done fairly well, considering he's coming back from a big injury. With that said, his CURRENT #'s aren't ace status. Ace is Ricky Nolasco in his last 12 games. That's what everyone is trying to get across, and I'm not sure you're getting it. As far as your two scenarios...as a MARLINS FAN, I'd take both. With that said, I'd highly prefer JJ giving up 1 ER, b/c if he would give up 10 ER and get a win...it will LIKELY not happen again. As a matter of fact, if JJ allows 10 runs, and is allowed to pitch 6 innings, Fredi Gonzalez would probably be fired on the spot. In my opinion it's about both "what an opinion is" and "Josh Johnson officially reclaiming his spot as ace of the rotation."
August 12, 200818 yr I never said JJ was the ace. And neither did PWG; therefore, you're arguing with a guy who you are, basically, agreeing with. All he's saying is, pitchers with WHIP's in the 1.4's, have a much higher ERA (usually) than JJ, and over the course of the year, if JJ can't get his WHIP down to the 1.2's, for example, his ERA would be end up higher. I don't see why it's lasted so long...it's just common sense.
August 12, 200818 yr So are we making the bet? I really don't care... if you want, but it doesn't matter. You still never got a word of what I was trying to say, and this whole topic was a waste of my time. No, I understood what you were saying...it's just that we have different opinions...which isn't unheard of. No you didn't, because its not an opinion. Its coming to a logical conclusion when presented with a certain set of parameters, like a higher WHIP = more likelihood of a higher ERA. I guess you could say its your opinion that you don't need to use logic, but meh, then I realllllly wasted my time. Let me make sure this is clear to you, regardless of what you believe he has a right to his own opinion, which is exactly what this is, an opinion. Fact: Josh Johnson pitches for the Marlins. Opinion: WHIP is more important than ERA/ERA is more important than WHIP. Fact: I said higher WHIP = more likelihood of a higher ERA, not ERA is more important than WHIP or vice versa Fact: You misinterpreted what I said just like he did Fact: I never questioned his right to have an opinion Fact: I lied when I said I'm done with this thread. Damnit. Opinion: This thread sucks. What if... John Doe: "I have seen some pitchers with high WHIP's, but I really believe that the good pitchers can still manage to keep their ERA low by getting out's when the pressure is on and the opposition has men on base." What do you think Bob? Bob Smith: "I disagree John, I think the pitchers with low WHIP's should also have a low ERA, it just makes more sense John. Although the opinion might not make a lot of sense, it would still be an opinion. Bob Smith: "Actually John you could be right, but it is more likely that his ERA will rise over time if his WHIP stays that high." John Doe: "I don't care as long as we keep winning." Bob Smith: "Yes John we all want to win, I'm just saying for him to keep his ERA low and increase our chances of winning, he'll probably have to lower his WHIP eventually." John Doe: "I don't care as long as we keep winning." Bob Smith: *kills himself* So...you're suicidal now?
August 12, 200818 yr So are we making the bet? I really don't care... if you want, but it doesn't matter. You still never got a word of what I was trying to say, and this whole topic was a waste of my time. No, I understood what you were saying...it's just that we have different opinions...which isn't unheard of. No you didn't, because its not an opinion. Its coming to a logical conclusion when presented with a certain set of parameters, like a higher WHIP = more likelihood of a higher ERA. I guess you could say its your opinion that you don't need to use logic, but meh, then I realllllly wasted my time. Let me make sure this is clear to you, regardless of what you believe he has a right to his own opinion, which is exactly what this is, an opinion. Fact: Josh Johnson pitches for the Marlins. Opinion: WHIP is more important than ERA/ERA is more important than WHIP. Fact: I said higher WHIP = more likelihood of a higher ERA, not ERA is more important than WHIP or vice versa Fact: You misinterpreted what I said just like he did Fact: I never questioned his right to have an opinion Fact: I lied when I said I'm done with this thread. Damnit. Opinion: This thread sucks. What if... John Doe: "I have seen some pitchers with high WHIP's, but I really believe that the good pitchers can still manage to keep their ERA low by getting out's when the pressure is on and the opposition has men on base." What do you think Bob? Bob Smith: "I disagree John, I think the pitchers with low WHIP's should also have a low ERA, it just makes more sense John. Although the opinion might not make a lot of sense, it would still be an opinion. Bob Smith: "Actually John you could be right, but it is more likely that his ERA will rise over time if his WHIP stays that high." John Doe: "I don't care as long as we keep winning." Bob Smith: "Yes John we all want to win, I'm just saying for him to keep his ERA low and increase our chances of winning, he'll probably have to lower his WHIP eventually." John Doe: "I don't care as long as we keep winning." Bob Smith: *kills himself* HAHAHAHA! HAHAHA! Oh my. Wow, that was awesome. That said, that's a pretty accurate portrayal.
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