August 11, 200818 yr You do realize that trying to debate baseball with these clowns is like trying to make George Bush a flower loving hippy. It's not worth your time. If I can have ONE person learn something, it's worth it
August 11, 200818 yr You do realize that trying to debate baseball with these clowns is like trying to make George Bush a flower loving hippy. It's not worth your time. I would say "yeah" to sound cool, but one of those "clowns" could be me...so I'll just stay shut till further notice. :hat +1 cuz i could be a clown but thats highly unlikely how bout we do this WHIP is just as important as ERA
August 11, 200818 yr You do realize that trying to debate baseball with these clowns is like trying to make George Bush a flower loving hippy. It's not worth your time. I would say "yeah" to sound cool, but one of those "clowns" could be me...so I'll just stay shut till further notice. :hat No. It's the brigade of 11 year olds who treat this forum like it's a myspace chatroom and think "stats" might be a term for bra size. they aren't? :blink:
August 11, 200818 yr obviously u do not want the batters on, we are just sayin as long as JJ can work out of jams, there is nothing to worry about, u are sayin sooner rather than later he will have to start giving up runs when he lets guys on base. I say lets wait and see. yes u do not want to let the guys on base but as long as u are getting out of the innings unharmed there is nothing to worry about :notworthy
August 11, 200818 yr You do realize that trying to debate baseball with these clowns is like trying to make George Bush a flower loving hippy. It's not worth your time. If I can have ONE person learn something, it's worth it MrMarlinPride is my personal project. He learns move every day. I'm so proud.
August 11, 200818 yr You do realize that trying to debate baseball with these clowns is like trying to make George Bush a flower loving hippy. It's not worth your time. I would say "yeah" to sound cool, but one of those "clowns" could be me...so I'll just stay shut till further notice. :hat +1 cuz i could be a clown but thats highly unlikely how bout we do this WHIP is just as important as ERA :ban
August 11, 200818 yr You do realize that trying to debate baseball with these clowns is like trying to make George Bush a flower loving hippy. It's not worth your time. If I can have ONE person learn something, it's worth it MrMarlinPride is my personal project. He learns move every day. I'm so proud. fish_dynasty is my project. As a matter of fact, my gamethread record should be the sum of my record, and his. After all, it was I who recruited him to this board...and then he brought BosnianBaller over here. ESPN representin'... :hat
August 11, 200818 yr You do realize that trying to debate baseball with these clowns is like trying to make George Bush a flower loving hippy. It's not worth your time. I would say "yeah" to sound cool, but one of those "clowns" could be me...so I'll just stay shut till further notice. :hat No. It's the brigade of 11 year olds who treat this forum like it's a myspace chatroom and think "stats" might be a term for bra size. i kno im suppose to be serious but that was hella funny and idc about stats really its just about playing and winning thats the only real stat that matters W and L
August 11, 200818 yr You do realize that trying to debate baseball with these clowns is like trying to make George Bush a flower loving hippy. It's not worth your time. I would say "yeah" to sound cool, but one of those "clowns" could be me...so I'll just stay shut till further notice. :hat No. It's the brigade of 11 year olds who treat this forum like it's a myspace chatroom and think "stats" might be a term for bra size. I thought I was the only one who noticed that. Very annoying to repeatedly have to sift through enormous posts full of people quoting one word replies like "+1" and "lol yea".
August 11, 200818 yr You do realize that trying to debate baseball with these clowns is like trying to make George Bush a flower loving hippy. It's not worth your time. If I can have ONE person learn something, it's worth it MrMarlinPride is my personal project. He learns move every day. I'm so proud. fish_dynasty is my project. As a matter of fact, my gamethread record should be the sum of my record, and his. After all, it was I who recruited him to this board...and then he brought BosnianBaller over here. ESPN representin'... :hat Edit: Nevermind
August 11, 200818 yr obviously u do not want the batters on, we are just sayin as long as JJ can work out of jams, there is nothing to worry about, u are sayin sooner rather than later he will have to start giving up runs when he lets guys on base. I say lets wait and see. yes u do not want to let the guys on base but as long as u are getting out of the innings unharmed there is nothing to worry about :notworthy So... your approach is to wait till the engine explodes till you fix it, rather than be aware that there might be a problem.... if a pitcher is loading the bases, or putting multiple runners on an inning, he is increasing his pitch count, if he's increasing his pitch count, he's going fewer innings, if he's going fewer innings he's exposing the bullpen, which then becomes tired for the next game... So there IS something to worry about. Also, JJ is coming off Tommy John surgery, so he can't afford to stress his arm throwing meaningless pitches putting runner on unnecessarily... There is no "let's wait and see" obviously we can't do anything about it... but the standard deviation is so graphic for this, if Josh Johnson maintained a 1.4 WHIP and a 3.1 ERA he'd be such a ridiculous outlier... it'd be like a 37 year old hitting 45 Home Runs...
August 11, 200818 yr obviously u do not want the batters on, we are just sayin as long as JJ can work out of jams, there is nothing to worry about, u are sayin sooner rather than later he will have to start giving up runs when he lets guys on base. I say lets wait and see. yes u do not want to let the guys on base but as long as u are getting out of the innings unharmed there is nothing to worry about :notworthy So... your approach is to wait till the engine explodes till you fix it, rather than be aware that there might be a problem.... if a pitcher is loading the bases, or putting multiple runners on an inning, he is increasing his pitch count, if he's increasing his pitch count, he's going fewer innings, if he's going fewer innings he's exposing the bullpen, which then becomes tired for the next game... So there IS something to worry about. Also, JJ is coming off Tommy John surgery, so he can't afford to stress his arm throwing meaningless pitches putting runner on unnecessarily... There is no "let's wait and see" obviously we can't do anything about it... but the standard deviation is so graphic for this, if Josh Johnson maintained a 1.4 WHIP and a 3.1 ERA he'd be such a ridiculous outlier... it'd be like a 37 year old hitting 45 Home Runs... We have a pretty good bullpen now though. If Johnson can go 5 or 6 innings and only allow a couple runs, I would be satisfied.
August 11, 200818 yr obviously u do not want the batters on, we are just sayin as long as JJ can work out of jams, there is nothing to worry about, u are sayin sooner rather than later he will have to start giving up runs when he lets guys on base. I say lets wait and see. yes u do not want to let the guys on base but as long as u are getting out of the innings unharmed there is nothing to worry about :notworthy So... your approach is to wait till the engine explodes till you fix it, rather than be aware that there might be a problem.... if a pitcher is loading the bases, or putting multiple runners on an inning, he is increasing his pitch count, if he's increasing his pitch count, he's going fewer innings, if he's going fewer innings he's exposing the bullpen, which then becomes tired for the next game... So there IS something to worry about. Also, JJ is coming off Tommy John surgery, so he can't afford to stress his arm throwing meaningless pitches putting runner on unnecessarily... There is no "let's wait and see" obviously we can't do anything about it... but the standard deviation is so graphic for this, if Josh Johnson maintained a 1.4 WHIP and a 3.1 ERA he'd be such a ridiculous outlier... it'd be like a 37 year old hitting 45 Home Runs... You do realize he's just going to say "but as long as he works out of it and keeps his ERA down thats all that matters", right? You can't win. Its a question of logic, and his logical thinking skills aren't being applied here.
August 11, 200818 yr obviously u do not want the batters on, we are just sayin as long as JJ can work out of jams, there is nothing to worry about, u are sayin sooner rather than later he will have to start giving up runs when he lets guys on base. I say lets wait and see. yes u do not want to let the guys on base but as long as u are getting out of the innings unharmed there is nothing to worry about :notworthy So... your approach is to wait till the engine explodes till you fix it, rather than be aware that there might be a problem.... if a pitcher is loading the bases, or putting multiple runners on an inning, he is increasing his pitch count, if he's increasing his pitch count, he's going fewer innings, if he's going fewer innings he's exposing the bullpen, which then becomes tired for the next game... So there IS something to worry about. Also, JJ is coming off Tommy John surgery, so he can't afford to stress his arm throwing meaningless pitches putting runner on unnecessarily... There is no "let's wait and see" obviously we can't do anything about it... but the standard deviation is so graphic for this, if Josh Johnson maintained a 1.4 WHIP and a 3.1 ERA he'd be such a ridiculous outlier... it'd be like a 37 year old hitting 45 Home Runs... You do realize he's just going to say "but as long as he works out of it and keeps his ERA down thats all that matters", right? You can't win. Its a question of logic, and his logical thinking skills aren't being applied here. I beg to differ. If it ain't broke, dont fix it.
August 11, 200818 yr obviously u do not want the batters on, we are just sayin as long as JJ can work out of jams, there is nothing to worry about, u are sayin sooner rather than later he will have to start giving up runs when he lets guys on base. I say lets wait and see. yes u do not want to let the guys on base but as long as u are getting out of the innings unharmed there is nothing to worry about :notworthy So... your approach is to wait till the engine explodes till you fix it, rather than be aware that there might be a problem.... if a pitcher is loading the bases, or putting multiple runners on an inning, he is increasing his pitch count, if he's increasing his pitch count, he's going fewer innings, if he's going fewer innings he's exposing the bullpen, which then becomes tired for the next game... So there IS something to worry about. Also, JJ is coming off Tommy John surgery, so he can't afford to stress his arm throwing meaningless pitches putting runner on unnecessarily... There is no "let's wait and see" obviously we can't do anything about it... but the standard deviation is so graphic for this, if Josh Johnson maintained a 1.4 WHIP and a 3.1 ERA he'd be such a ridiculous outlier... it'd be like a 37 year old hitting 45 Home Runs... You do realize he's just going to say "but as long as he works out of it and keeps his ERA down thats all that matters", right? You can't win. Its a question of logic, and his logical thinking skills aren't being applied here. Yeah, Im pretty much done now anyways... I've explained every possible rationale/reason why a high WHIP is bad... I feel ... accomplished... someone might come by later and enjoy the logic I laid out, someone might hate it... but ... just 1 person has to learn something for it to be a success
August 11, 200818 yr Just an example for everyone saying high WHIP is ok. Lets say WHIP is the mileage on your car, and ERA is your car's engine. Now lets say that the average guy changes his oil every 3 to 5 thousand miles. His engine (or ERA) runs fine. Now Joe Schmoe (or JJ if you will) only changes his oil (WHIP) every 10 thousand miles. His engine is still running fine, but the chances are much higher he will have engine problems. That is the point. Sooner or later the high WHIP, or mileage, will catch up to Josh, and his engine's performance, or ERA, will be affected. If that doesn't make sense to you, all hope is lost. The answer is to change the oil more often, or in Josh's case, lower his WHIP. Not to keep driving with high mileage, or high WHIP, and ruin your engine, or ERA.
August 11, 200818 yr Just an example for everyone saying high WHIP is ok. Lets say WHIP is the mileage on your car, and ERA is your car's engine. Now lets say that the average guy changes his oil every 3 to 5 thousand miles. His engine (or ERA) runs fine. Now Joe Schmoe (or JJ if you will) only changes his oil (WHIP) every 10 thousand miles. His engine is still running fine, but the chances are much higher he will have engine problems. That is the point. Sooner or later the high WHIP, or mileage, will catch up to Josh, and his engine's performance, or ERA, will be affected. If that doesn't make sense to you, all hope is lost. The answer is to change the oil more often, or in Josh's case, lower his WHIP. Not to keep driving with high mileage, or high WHIP, and ruin your engine, or ERA. This post earns the PWG "Good use of analogy" Blue Ribbon
August 11, 200818 yr people its simple the higher the whip is the more people u let on base . the more people u let on the the higher chance they have of scoring. the higher chance they have of scoring or if they do score raises your ERA
August 11, 200818 yr Just an example for everyone saying high WHIP is ok. Lets say WHIP is the mileage on your car, and ERA is your car's engine. Now lets say that the average guy changes his oil every 3 to 5 thousand miles. His engine (or ERA) runs fine. Now Joe Schmoe (or JJ if you will) only changes his oil (WHIP) every 10 thousand miles. His engine is still running fine, but the chances are much higher he will have engine problems. That is the point. Sooner or later the high WHIP, or mileage, will catch up to Josh, and his engine's performance, or ERA, will be affected. If that doesn't make sense to you, all hope is lost. The answer is to change the oil more often, or in Josh's case, lower his WHIP. Not to keep driving with high mileage, or high WHIP, and ruin your engine, or ERA. It makes sense to me, but (using the analogy), it is not a sure thing that JJ would have engine problems. I would rather take the risk. That is just how I feel.
August 11, 200818 yr Just an example for everyone saying high WHIP is ok. Lets say WHIP is the mileage on your car, and ERA is your car's engine. Now lets say that the average guy changes his oil every 3 to 5 thousand miles. His engine (or ERA) runs fine. Now Joe Schmoe (or JJ if you will) only changes his oil (WHIP) every 10 thousand miles. His engine is still running fine, but the chances are much higher he will have engine problems. That is the point. Sooner or later the high WHIP, or mileage, will catch up to Josh, and his engine's performance, or ERA, will be affected. If that doesn't make sense to you, all hope is lost. The answer is to change the oil more often, or in Josh's case, lower his WHIP. Not to keep driving with high mileage, or high WHIP, and ruin your engine, or ERA. It makes sense to me, but (using the analogy), it is not a sure thing that JJ would have engine problems. I would rather take the risk. That is just how I feel. So you are also the type of guy that would drive his car over 10k miles without changing his oil. I don't know, doesn't sound smart to me. Not that its anything that JJ has a choice over anyways, he's going to pitch as well as he can, we can only hope as fans that his WHIP will lower, which will lead to less worry of runs being scored. If it stays high, just face it, law of averages is going to bite him in the ass. You don't win all the time.
August 11, 200818 yr Just an example for everyone saying high WHIP is ok. Lets say WHIP is the mileage on your car, and ERA is your car's engine. Now lets say that the average guy changes his oil every 3 to 5 thousand miles. His engine (or ERA) runs fine. Now Joe Schmoe (or JJ if you will) only changes his oil (WHIP) every 10 thousand miles. His engine is still running fine, but the chances are much higher he will have engine problems. That is the point. Sooner or later the high WHIP, or mileage, will catch up to Josh, and his engine's performance, or ERA, will be affected. If that doesn't make sense to you, all hope is lost. The answer is to change the oil more often, or in Josh's case, lower his WHIP. Not to keep driving with high mileage, or high WHIP, and ruin your engine, or ERA. It makes sense to me, but (using the analogy), it is not a sure thing that JJ would have engine problems. I would rather take the risk. That is just how I feel. So you are also the type of guy that would drive his car over 10k miles without changing his oil. I don't know, doesn't sound smart to me. Not that its anything that JJ has a choice over anyways, he's going to pitch as well as he can, we can only hope as fans that his WHIP will lower, which will lead to less worry of runs being scored. If it stays high, just face it, law of averages is going to bite him in the ass. You don't win all the time. As I said, its not a sure thing.
August 11, 200818 yr So you are also the type of guy that would drive his car over 10k miles without changing his oil. I don't know, doesn't sound smart to me. Not that its anything that JJ has a choice over anyways, he's going to pitch as well as he can, we can only hope as fans that his WHIP will lower, which will lead to less worry of runs being scored. If it stays high, just face it, law of averages is going to bite him in the ass. You don't win all the time. Haha, you're falling into the same trap you warned me against :lol
August 11, 200818 yr Just an example for everyone saying high WHIP is ok. Lets say WHIP is the mileage on your car, and ERA is your car's engine. Now lets say that the average guy changes his oil every 3 to 5 thousand miles. His engine (or ERA) runs fine. Now Joe Schmoe (or JJ if you will) only changes his oil (WHIP) every 10 thousand miles. His engine is still running fine, but the chances are much higher he will have engine problems. That is the point. Sooner or later the high WHIP, or mileage, will catch up to Josh, and his engine's performance, or ERA, will be affected. If that doesn't make sense to you, all hope is lost. The answer is to change the oil more often, or in Josh's case, lower his WHIP. Not to keep driving with high mileage, or high WHIP, and ruin your engine, or ERA. It makes sense to me, but (using the analogy), it is not a sure thing that JJ would have engine problems. I would rather take the risk. That is just how I feel. So you are also the type of guy that would drive his car over 10k miles without changing his oil. I don't know, doesn't sound smart to me. Not that its anything that JJ has a choice over anyways, he's going to pitch as well as he can, we can only hope as fans that his WHIP will lower, which will lead to less worry of runs being scored. If it stays high, just face it, law of averages is going to bite him in the ass. You don't win all the time. As I said, its not a sure thing. Much higher in likely hood than his ERA staying this low with a WHIP that high.
August 11, 200818 yr Just an example for everyone saying high WHIP is ok. Lets say WHIP is the mileage on your car, and ERA is your car's engine. Now lets say that the average guy changes his oil every 3 to 5 thousand miles. His engine (or ERA) runs fine. Now Joe Schmoe (or JJ if you will) only changes his oil (WHIP) every 10 thousand miles. His engine is still running fine, but the chances are much higher he will have engine problems. That is the point. Sooner or later the high WHIP, or mileage, will catch up to Josh, and his engine's performance, or ERA, will be affected. If that doesn't make sense to you, all hope is lost. The answer is to change the oil more often, or in Josh's case, lower his WHIP. Not to keep driving with high mileage, or high WHIP, and ruin your engine, or ERA. It makes sense to me, but (using the analogy), it is not a sure thing that JJ would have engine problems. I would rather take the risk. That is just how I feel. So you are also the type of guy that would drive his car over 10k miles without changing his oil. I don't know, doesn't sound smart to me. Not that its anything that JJ has a choice over anyways, he's going to pitch as well as he can, we can only hope as fans that his WHIP will lower, which will lead to less worry of runs being scored. If it stays high, just face it, law of averages is going to bite him in the ass. You don't win all the time. As I said, its not a sure thing. Much higher in likely hood than his ERA staying this low with a WHIP that high. A we just repeating the same thing now?
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