wow on baseball tonight they had miguel cabrera as the marlins best franchise player!!! i wouldve gone with conine!

Conine is the most popular, not the best though

they're right. They way Cabrera batted for us all those years was amazing. He's on pace to become a great player and future HOFer

I still would've said Conine, he did everything that won us a championship, Cabrera did everything to build up his stats, but not to give us the wins.

agree connine deserved it

I still would've said Conine, he did everything that won us a championship, Cabrera did everything to build up his stats, but not to give us the wins.

 

 

Oxymoron?

I still would've said Conine, he did everything that won us a championship, Cabrera did everything to build up his stats, but not to give us the wins.

Are you aware that Conine was benched and lost his job in '97? Is getting benched included in the everything that won us a championship?

Best doesnt = favorite, still a great player though.

who was number 3? i tuned in while they were saying Mike Lowell was #2

I still would've said Conine, he did everything that won us a championship, Cabrera did everything to build up his stats, but not to give us the wins.

 

 

He's probably the favorite player, still like cabrera better, but miguel cabrera is clearly the better player.

The term "franchise player" is generally used to describe the player that you use to build your franchise around because he is the most talented. I liked Conine but he was always like 6th or 7th best player on the team.

who was number 3? i tuned in while they were saying Mike Lowell was #2

 

 

d train

The term "franchise player" is generally used to describe the player that you use to build your franchise around because he is the most talented. I liked Conine but he was always like 6th or 7th best player on the team.

 

I would disagree with that. To me, a franchise player is someone who when you think of a franchise, you think of that player. They are synomonous, one and the same. Whether they were the most talented, best-stats-ever kind of guy (Miggy) or the long-term, reliable and constant performer (Niner) it doesn't matter...it's just who best exemplifies a team's identity.

 

While Miggy's contributions to the 03 Series team and subsequent years offensively are undeniable, his sloppy defense and lazy attitude (not to mention bulging waistline) do not (when the Marlins have been known throught their history, excluding this year, as situational/contact hitters, strong pitching and defense). 4.5 yrs of service also don't fit the long-term definition in my book.

 

Niner, on the other hand, while never delivering jaw-dropping offensive numbers, was far from a defensive liability (wish Miggy could say the same). He was active in the South FL community and great with the fans...honestly I don't think Miggy fits that bill, either. And Niner was a clubhouse leader...clubhouse leaders don't fail to runout groundballs or show up late to the ballpark right before the game starts. Besides, Nioner has his All-Star Game MVP to how many awards for Miggy?

 

In the end, we have to look at the top 3 on this espn list and realize two things: 1) this was a nation-wide poll on espn, not just of Marlins fans and 2) all 3 players are recent players from the 03. So, the non-Marlins fans who voted (wish they had a stat on votes of Fish fans vs non-Fish fans) were going based on recent memory, not looking at the whoel franchise. That's why these kind of votes are always skewed to more recent history.

 

Of course, Niner's my first choice (as is many based on the Fan's Choice bobblehead vote), but of those 3, I would put Mike Lowell ahead of the others simply based on longevity, defense, fan intereaction/community service and leadership.

The term "franchise player" is generally used to describe the player that you use to build your franchise around because he is the most talented. I liked Conine but he was always like 6th or 7th best player on the team.

 

I would disagree with that. To me, a franchise player is someone who when you think of a franchise, you think of that player. They are synomonous, one and the same. Whether they were the most talented, best-stats-ever kind of guy (Miggy) or the long-term, reliable and constant performer (Niner) it doesn't matter...it's just who best exemplifies a team's identity.

 

While Miggy's contributions to the 03 Series team and subsequent years offensively are undeniable, his sloppy defense and lazy attitude (not to mention bulging waistline) do not (when the Marlins have been known throught their history, excluding this year, as situational/contact hitters, strong pitching and defense). 4.5 yrs of service also don't fit the long-term definition in my book.

 

Niner, on the other hand, while never delivering jaw-dropping offensive numbers, was far from a defensive liability (wish Miggy could say the same). He was active in the South FL community and great with the fans...honestly I don't think Miggy fits that bill, either. And Niner was a clubhouse leader...clubhouse leaders don't fail to runout groundballs or show up late to the ballpark right before the game starts. Besides, Nioner has his All-Star Game MVP to how many awards for Miggy?

 

In the end, we have to look at the top 3 on this espn list and realize two things: 1) this was a nation-wide poll on espn, not just of Marlins fans and 2) all 3 players are recent players from the 03. So, the non-Marlins fans who voted (wish they had a stat on votes of Fish fans vs non-Fish fans) were going based on recent memory, not looking at the whoel franchise. That's why these kind of votes are always skewed to more recent history.

 

Of course, Niner's my first choice (as is many based on the Fan's Choice bobblehead vote), but of those 3, I would put Mike Lowell ahead of the others simply based on longevity, defense, fan intereaction/community service and leadership.

 

EDIT: You said pretty much what I was going to say. Its a national poll, it really doesn't mean anything. How many fans who don't follow the Marlins really have a clue about them anyways? Conine was just an average player to most of them. He never hit more than 26 homers in a season, only had over 100 RBI's once, and was at best solid defensively.

I fully feel it was Miguel Cabrera, he is probably the best hitter to wear a Marlin's jersey. I believe that is what they refer as a franchise player

I still think that Mike Lowell should have been number 1

I still think that Mike Lowell should have been number 1

The Mike Lowell of 2005 says no.

while miggy did get lazy later on, he really is the best player this franchise has seen so far. the single off the intentional walk attempt really sticks out to me