Posted May 2, 200916 yr Taylor= 84 mph fastball and otherwise kindly stuff. It's a miracle that even a single batter can be retired. Badenhop= the most hittable stuff imaginable Penn= super straight fastball and typically hanging curve You just can't parade guys like these to the mound and have even a glimmer of hope. Incredible defensive plays can keep you hanging in there for a few innings, but ... There are a few guys in the minors with more promising stuff ... better K/BB ratios and such ... and I hope to see them soon. The aforementioned are just not big league pitchers.
May 2, 200916 yr Lemmy guess, you think we should sign that kid who's thrown 4 no-nos in HS right now and put him in the pen.
May 2, 200916 yr Lemmy guess, you think we should sign that kid who's thrown 4 no-nos in HS right now and put him in the pen. Too late, he's committed to the Gators already.
May 2, 200916 yr Taylor= 84 mph fastball and otherwise kindly stuff. It's a miracle that even a single batter can be retired. Badenhop= the most hittable stuff imaginable Penn= super straight fastball and typically hanging curve You just can't parade guys like these to the mound and have even a glimmer of hope. Incredible defensive plays can keep you hanging in there for a few innings, but ... There are a few guys in the minors with more promising stuff ... better K/BB ratios and such ... and I hope to see them soon. The aforementioned are just not big league pitchers. I was hoping that Sean West was going to get the call, but I suppose they're sill taking it easy w/ him because of his shoulder surgery 2 yrs ago.
May 2, 200916 yr Eventually you realize the pitchers that they have are the best the Marlins can afford, the FO also probably doesn't want to start the arbitration clock on players like West or others until necessary. The FO has also shown the aggressiveness to pull the trigger if they think the team has a chance to win, chill out they're only a month into the season.
May 2, 200916 yr So were you watching the game, or following it on Game Day? I mean, I wouldn't say Badenhop has the most hittable stuff imaginable. He's got quite good movement on his pitches and looked pretty good until yesterday.
May 2, 200916 yr So were you watching the game, or following it on Game Day? I mean, I wouldn't say Badenhop has the most hittable stuff imaginable. He's got quite good movement on his pitches and looked pretty good until yesterday. Exactly. Every pitcher has a bad day. Should we have traded JJ after giving up six runs to the Nats? Taylor, while not lights out yesterday, pitched a lot better than in his first start. He may never be an ace, but considering he would be pitching out of the 5 spot, he is servicable. And may continue to improve. I am more concerned about Miller than any other pitcher on the staff, starter or relief.
May 2, 200916 yr Taylor, while not lights out yesterday, pitched a lot better than in his first start. He may never be an ace, but considering he would be pitching out of the 5 spot, he is servicable. And may continue to improve. I am more concerned about Miller than any other pitcher on the staff, starter or relief. And temporarily at that. I'm not sure what the expectations are here for a fill-in fifth starter but I'll take two or three more starts like yesterday from the guy and not complain at all. As for Miller, I really wish we had some honest background or insight into what is happening with him physically and mentally. I keep hoping it's just time with him, he'll mature into someone ala Randy Johnson (that does not mean he'll be Randy Johnson), tall, intimidating and focused - the one thing he doesn't seem to possess right now - and just for me I'm willing to give him this season and maybe next before rethinking my aspirations for him.
May 2, 200916 yr Do you ever start non-waaaaaaaaaambulance threads? I have no problem with these 3 being in the bullpen at this point. Do I think they should have tendered a deal to Joe Nelson? Sure. But that's a moot point now; everyone has poor outings sometimes; and I don't really see stronger options available, however unfortunate that may be.
May 3, 200916 yr You're right Penn was horrible today with his 3 scoreless innings!!!! Keep up the great work :thumbup
May 3, 200916 yr Penn & his 1 TERRIBLE outing. Automatically sucks! I wish some of you actually looked at OTHER big league rosters. Seriously...how many long relievers are absolutely awesome? Most of the time, long relievers are just asked to eat up innings to save a bullpen, on a given day. Do we seriously have a problem with Penn/Hopper doing that? Even Taylor? Again...NO TEAM has 7 perfect pitchers coming out of the pen. Look around baseball...every team has bullpen problems. If you're worried about long relievers, you are wasting your time.
May 3, 200916 yr Badenhop and Penn are fine for the bullpen, I haven't actually watched either of Taylor's starts but we shouldn't expect much anyway, he's just filling in for Miller, but his line vs the Cubs looked fine...
May 3, 200916 yr Badenhop and Penn are fine for the bullpen, I haven't actually watched either of Taylor's starts but we shouldn't expect much anyway, he's just filling in for Miller, but his line vs the Cubs looked fine... Badenhop is terrible. But I have no problem with Penn being the 5th RHP in the bullpen. He has a lot of upside to groom if he can transition to a RP. Hopefully this solves itself when Proctor gets back and he takes over the other RHP slot in the pen, because besides Lindstroms EPIC meltdown, he, Nunez, Calero, Meyer, and Pinto have all been more than adequate. A MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM is Anibal, Nolasco, and Miller/Taylor only pitching 4-5 innings per start. When those jackasses start pitching 6, the bullpen is going to look A LOT better when not stressed. We can handle a bad start or two a week, but if we're getting 3+ clunkers from those guys each week, the pen really has no chance as everyone is going to be working 4-5 times a week. And that's not healthy. As for Taylor, he is kind of "effectively wild," which is awesome since he never walked anyone in the minor leagues. He doesn't look as clueless as last year's "awesome" batch of fill in starters - Tucker, Vanden Hurk, Badenhop, Cruz - but I don't know if that's really saying much. He's not ideal, but there is certainly worse out there.
May 3, 200916 yr Seriously. A good bullpen offers many types of pitchers. All things being equal, batters have a difficult time adjusting to a new look late in the game. Thus we should send down 1 of the 3 for a guy who throws in the 70s.
May 3, 200916 yr Badenhop and Penn are fine for the bullpen, I haven't actually watched either of Taylor's starts but we shouldn't expect much anyway, he's just filling in for Miller, but his line vs the Cubs looked fine... Badenhop is terrible. But I have no problem with Penn being the 5th RHP in the bullpen. He has a lot of upside to groom if he can transition to a RP. Hopefully this solves itself when Proctor gets back and he takes over the other RHP slot in the pen, because besides Lindstroms EPIC meltdown, he, Nunez, Calero, Meyer, and Pinto have all been more than adequate. A MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM is Anibal, Nolasco, and Miller/Taylor only pitching 4-5 innings per start. When those jackasses start pitching 6, the bullpen is going to look A LOT better when not stressed. We can handle a bad start or two a week, but if we're getting 3+ clunkers from those guys each week, the pen really has no chance as everyone is going to be working 4-5 times a week. And that's not healthy. As for Taylor, he is kind of "effectively wild," which is awesome since he never walked anyone in the minor leagues. He doesn't look as clueless as last year's "awesome" batch of fill in starters - Tucker, Vanden Hurk, Badenhop, Cruz - but I don't know if that's really saying much. He's not ideal, but there is certainly worse out there. I'd be willing to bet anyone on here that Nolasco, sooner or later, will get his problems fixed. You can call me a jackass, if he doesn't. I'm just hoping Anibal can be average this year. It's no secret I wasn't very optimistic before the year began with him. (but I still believe he's better than many #4's)
May 3, 200916 yr Badenhop is terrible. 1. I think you're overexaggerating a bit. 2. Even if he does turn out terrible...is it really that big of a deal, considering his current role on the team? How many non-terrible long relievers are there in the big leagues?
May 3, 200916 yr Badenhop and Penn are fine for the bullpen, I haven't actually watched either of Taylor's starts but we shouldn't expect much anyway, he's just filling in for Miller, but his line vs the Cubs looked fine... Badenhop is terrible. But I have no problem with Penn being the 5th RHP in the bullpen. He has a lot of upside to groom if he can transition to a RP. Hopefully this solves itself when Proctor gets back and he takes over the other RHP slot in the pen, because besides Lindstroms EPIC meltdown, he, Nunez, Calero, Meyer, and Pinto have all been more than adequate. A MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM is Anibal, Nolasco, and Miller/Taylor only pitching 4-5 innings per start. When those jackasses start pitching 6, the bullpen is going to look A LOT better when not stressed. We can handle a bad start or two a week, but if we're getting 3+ clunkers from those guys each week, the pen really has no chance as everyone is going to be working 4-5 times a week. And that's not healthy. As for Taylor, he is kind of "effectively wild," which is awesome since he never walked anyone in the minor leagues. He doesn't look as clueless as last year's "awesome" batch of fill in starters - Tucker, Vanden Hurk, Badenhop, Cruz - but I don't know if that's really saying much. He's not ideal, but there is certainly worse out there. I'd be willing to bet anyone on here that Nolasco, sooner or later, will get his problems fixed. You can call me a jackass, if he doesn't. I'm just hoping Anibal can be average this year. It's no secret I wasn't very optimistic before the year began with him. (but I still believe he's better than many #4's) Some people already do that :whistle :thumbup But i agree Nolasco will get it together and get into midseason form again. H'e's not a big concern Anibal is a good pitcher but he HAS TO keep the ball down. Theriots homerun was on a belt high fatsball and even Ted Lilly jacked a double a what looked to be a chest high changeup. The start before beltran gets to singles on belt high curveball's. He has to keep the fastball's low so then he can mix it up with his curve and slider, but once in a while he should go up and in that way the batter has to guess the pitch and step out on his swing or he's gonna get jammed and break his bat. Im hoping Anibal gets at least 10 wins but im going for 12-8 with a high 3's low 4's ERA which is solid from a 4 starter We really after that only need a proven 5th starter. Miller has really sucked this season and i hope he gets 3 or 4 starts in AAA before coming back up and Graham Taylor has beee meh but improved between the 2 starts. The other option is Badenhop and i hope he gets a few starts this season before officially being assigned to the bullpen. Only time will tell what's going to happen but if our pitchers struggle hopefull our offense can be there to back them up. P.S. For gods sake can a SP get a win for once its been like 15 games :banghead
May 3, 200916 yr Badenhop and Penn are fine for the bullpen, I haven't actually watched either of Taylor's starts but we shouldn't expect much anyway, he's just filling in for Miller, but his line vs the Cubs looked fine... Badenhop is terrible. But I have no problem with Penn being the 5th RHP in the bullpen. He has a lot of upside to groom if he can transition to a RP. Hopefully this solves itself when Proctor gets back and he takes over the other RHP slot in the pen, because besides Lindstroms EPIC meltdown, he, Nunez, Calero, Meyer, and Pinto have all been more than adequate. A MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM is Anibal, Nolasco, and Miller/Taylor only pitching 4-5 innings per start. When those jackasses start pitching 6, the bullpen is going to look A LOT better when not stressed. We can handle a bad start or two a week, but if we're getting 3+ clunkers from those guys each week, the pen really has no chance as everyone is going to be working 4-5 times a week. And that's not healthy. As for Taylor, he is kind of "effectively wild," which is awesome since he never walked anyone in the minor leagues. He doesn't look as clueless as last year's "awesome" batch of fill in starters - Tucker, Vanden Hurk, Badenhop, Cruz - but I don't know if that's really saying much. He's not ideal, but there is certainly worse out there. I'd be willing to bet anyone on here that Nolasco, sooner or later, will get his problems fixed. You can call me a jackass, if he doesn't. I'm just hoping Anibal can be average this year. It's no secret I wasn't very optimistic before the year began with him. (but I still believe he's better than many #4's) Some people already do that :whistle :thumbup But i agree Nolasco will get it together and get into midseason form again. H'e's not a big concern Anibal is a good pitcher but he HAS TO keep the ball down. Theriots homerun was on a belt high fatsball and even Ted Lilly jacked a double a what looked to be a chest high changeup. The start before beltran gets to singles on belt high curveball's. He has to keep the fastball's low so then he can mix it up with his curve and slider, but once in a while he should go up and in that way the batter has to guess the pitch and step out on his swing or he's gonna get jammed and break his bat. Im hoping Anibal gets at least 10 wins but im going for 12-8 with a high 3's low 4's ERA which is solid from a 4 starter We really after that only need a proven 5th starter. Miller has really sucked this season and i hope he gets 3 or 4 starts in AAA before coming back up and Graham Taylor has beee meh but improved between the 2 starts. The other option is Badenhop and i hope he gets a few starts this season before officially being assigned to the bullpen. Only time will tell what's going to happen but if our pitchers struggle hopefull our offense can be there to back them up. P.S. For gods sake can a SP get a win for once its been like 15 games :banghead Only a handful of teams, (if that), have a proven 5th starter.
May 3, 200916 yr Badenhop and Penn are fine for the bullpen, I haven't actually watched either of Taylor's starts but we shouldn't expect much anyway, he's just filling in for Miller, but his line vs the Cubs looked fine... Badenhop is terrible. But I have no problem with Penn being the 5th RHP in the bullpen. He has a lot of upside to groom if he can transition to a RP. Hopefully this solves itself when Proctor gets back and he takes over the other RHP slot in the pen, because besides Lindstroms EPIC meltdown, he, Nunez, Calero, Meyer, and Pinto have all been more than adequate. A MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM is Anibal, Nolasco, and Miller/Taylor only pitching 4-5 innings per start. When those jackasses start pitching 6, the bullpen is going to look A LOT better when not stressed. We can handle a bad start or two a week, but if we're getting 3+ clunkers from those guys each week, the pen really has no chance as everyone is going to be working 4-5 times a week. And that's not healthy. As for Taylor, he is kind of "effectively wild," which is awesome since he never walked anyone in the minor leagues. He doesn't look as clueless as last year's "awesome" batch of fill in starters - Tucker, Vanden Hurk, Badenhop, Cruz - but I don't know if that's really saying much. He's not ideal, but there is certainly worse out there. I'd be willing to bet anyone on here that Nolasco, sooner or later, will get his problems fixed. You can call me a jackass, if he doesn't. I'm just hoping Anibal can be average this year. It's no secret I wasn't very optimistic before the year began with him. (but I still believe he's better than many #4's) Some people already do that :whistle :thumbup But i agree Nolasco will get it together and get into midseason form again. H'e's not a big concern Anibal is a good pitcher but he HAS TO keep the ball down. Theriots homerun was on a belt high fatsball and even Ted Lilly jacked a double a what looked to be a chest high changeup. The start before beltran gets to singles on belt high curveball's. He has to keep the fastball's low so then he can mix it up with his curve and slider, but once in a while he should go up and in that way the batter has to guess the pitch and step out on his swing or he's gonna get jammed and break his bat. Im hoping Anibal gets at least 10 wins but im going for 12-8 with a high 3's low 4's ERA which is solid from a 4 starter We really after that only need a proven 5th starter. Miller has really sucked this season and i hope he gets 3 or 4 starts in AAA before coming back up and Graham Taylor has beee meh but improved between the 2 starts. The other option is Badenhop and i hope he gets a few starts this season before officially being assigned to the bullpen. Only time will tell what's going to happen but if our pitchers struggle hopefull our offense can be there to back them up. P.S. For gods sake can a SP get a win for once its been like 15 games :banghead Only a handful of teams, (if that), have a proven 5th starter. I meant someone who can get past the 4th and 5th innings without allowing 5 runs and 7 walks. But yeah your right
May 5, 200916 yr Hopper was great last night. Not too shabby for someone with the "most hittable" stuff. He's had what, one bad game/inning?
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