So we've all come to the conclusion that we want Ryan. What is the probability that we actually do this?

At this point even if we picked him he wouldn't even be in the major leagues with us, much less have a bigger role with us than he did in Toronto (6th or 7th inning guy).

 

I really think it's time to stop thinking about our bullpen, and start focusing on bringing another bat, such as Teahen or maybe a Felipe Lopez (good and versatile bat to have).

At this point even if we picked him he wouldn't even be in the major leagues with us, much less have a bigger role with us than he did in Toronto (6th or 7th inning guy).

 

I really think it's time to stop thinking about our bullpen, and start focusing on bringing another bat, such as Teahen or maybe a Felipe Lopez (good and versatile bat to have).

 

 

Theoretically, we could drive up the value of bullpen arms to use in a trade... sometimes you gotta think outside the box

If we dont sign him I'll be a little mad. I can imagine though there are probably a few teams looking to get him.

If we dont sign him I'll be a little mad. I can imagine though there are probably a few teams looking to get him.

 

 

Yeah, the Marlins have to play the role of the college recruiter here... there's no guarantee at all

He could be our Arthur Rhodes of this season.

 

I'd love to get him for the right price but I'm sure plenty of other teams would be interested as well.

people keep mentioning "the right price". I'm pretty sure the ONLY price is the major league minimum. he's making 10 million this year and 10 million next year. I doubt any team will give him more than the minimum. I think this is only just a whoever can give him a better role in the bullpen and whoever he feels has the better chance of being a contender. I don't think he wants to go to a team thats not going to be doing anything. The marlins would be the best fit. He should see it as a tryout for the other teams. he gets back into his old form while playing for us, has a shot at getting into the playoffs, and most likely wont get signed by us again after the season is over so if he does good he can get a nice free agent contract again.

I'm sure Ryan would jump at the chance to play for any team that'd be willing to promise him that he'd be their closer in the hopes of getting the big bucks in the offseason.

In these type of situations, where the player is struggling to reclaim something and is already guaranteed a wage, it helps to have some connection with the player. Someone who can pitch him that he'll be granted the chance and the team (or at least the coach) cares about the player reclaiming their glory.

 

Is Hayden Penn by a phone?

whoever will put him immediately into their MLB pen will get him. Someone will do it.

There are only two guys in our current bullpen that you could even consider to unload to the minors in order to put Ryan into the pen, and that would be Pinto or Sanches. And even Pinto has been a workload for a few years on this team and has a respectable 3.00 ERA this year, and Sanches has a very good 1.37 ERA. Don't mess with a good thing, Ryan is completely unnecessary at the moment.

 

 

You can get worse than Pinto but in no way should we ever think that we can't get better. Pinto loses games for this team just because of his inability to throw strikes consistently. This isn't really reflected in ERA and its hard to judge a LOOGY by that. Pinto has walked 21 batters in 30 innings, and that just doesn't cut it.

How could you guys be excited about Williamson, Donnelly, and Ayala and not Ryan, who'd by far have the most upside.

 

Not that I'd be against signing him for MLB minimum (or even $500K-ish) but how does Ryan have the most upside? He's 33 and in the decline of his career when both Ayala and Williamson still have some years left and have actually performed halfway decently recently?

How could you guys be excited about Williamson, Donnelly, and Ayala and not Ryan, who'd by far have the most upside.

 

Not that I'd be against signing him for MLB minimum (or even $500K-ish) but how does Ryan have the most upside? He's 33 and in the decline of his career when both Ayala and Williamson still have some years left and have actually performed halfway decently recently?

 

I though Williamson hadn't pitched for a couple years?

I think he meant to say was that he has the better track record of all them. So why not take a chance on him.

How could you guys be excited about Williamson, Donnelly, and Ayala and not Ryan, who'd by far have the most upside.

 

Not that I'd be against signing him for MLB minimum (or even $500K-ish) but how does Ryan have the most upside? He's 33 and in the decline of his career when both Ayala and Williamson still have some years left and have actually performed halfway decently recently?

Recently? Like in 2003, the last time Williamson's pitched 28 innings in a season, and he's also 33. So theres that...

 

Ryan's had success more recently than Ayala BTW.

 

2008

Ayala

Ryan 58.0 IP, 46 H, 58 K, 28 BB, 1.28 Whip, 2.95 ERA

Ayala 75.2 IP, 86, 50 K, 24 BB, 1.45 Whip, 5.71 ERA

 

We are talking about a guy who had an unbeleivable 2006

 

72.1 42 H 86 K, 20BB, 0.85 Whip, 1.37 ERA

 

Who had Tommy John the year after, and still pitched well last year even though his slider was out of wack from the surgery.

 

His velocity was down in the beginning of this year and then he started to improve as it came back (1.04 ERA in June)

 

I believe if he improves and comes back to 80% of old form he has more upside than Ayala, Williamson or Donnelly yes.

How could you guys be excited about Williamson, Donnelly, and Ayala and not Ryan, who'd by far have the most upside.

 

Not that I'd be against signing him for MLB minimum (or even $500K-ish) but how does Ryan have the most upside? He's 33 and in the decline of his career when both Ayala and Williamson still have some years left and have actually performed halfway decently recently?

Is this a joke post?

Williamson is terrible. In fact, he's so terrible I'm not even sure he's worth a minor league contract. The Orioles signed him during their failed 2007 bullpen experiment; he threw terribly and hasn't thrown in the majors since. He hasn't been good since 2004 where he only pitched 28 innings and you are saying that he has more upside than Ryan does (despite Ryan posting 2.95 ERA and 1.28 WHIP after an injury)?

How could you guys be excited about Williamson, Donnelly, and Ayala and not Ryan, who'd by far have the most upside.

 

Not that I'd be against signing him for MLB minimum (or even $500K-ish) but how does Ryan have the most upside? He's 33 and in the decline of his career when both Ayala and Williamson still have some years left and have actually performed halfway decently recently?

Is this a joke post?

Not really. Maybe I shouldn't have included Williamson. Wasn't aware he's been out so long. But look at Ryan's year this year. 2.03 WHIP, .333 BAA vs RHB? He also missed the entirety of 2007 and even though his 2008 was decent, he did it on a much lighter workload than he'd likely be asked to have here, a career low 58 IP. I think its unrealistic to think that he could remain effective for an entire season's worth of innings and very unrealistic to think that he could ever get back to what he did at the beginning of his career. Hence why I think he has more downside than upside.

 

Again, as a cheap LOOGY and occasional setup man, I wouldn't be against it. It's just not going to make me think championship if it happens.

There is a huge red flag here. Ryan has to be seriously used goods here. At least Donnolly was performing in AAA. To just release this future all star, something isn't right.

 

I think we have enough options without him.

I just had to put this somewhere and I didn't think it deserved its own thread so for your reading pleasure:

 

This is what passes for expert opinion in the blogosphere.

 

"Over in the National League the Philadelphia Phillies, the Milwaukee Brewers, and the Florida Marlins are all weak pitching ball clubs that would improve their playoff chances significantly if they added Halladay to their roster."

 

 

Whose chances wouldn't improve with Halladay...duh.

 

http://www.crunchsports.com/category/MLB/MLB--Roy-Halladay-Trade-Rumors-200907080004/

 

"The Marlins have signed well-traveled relievers Luis Ayala and Brendan Donnelly to boost their injury-wracked bullpen, although it’s unclear if they’ll be able to make any splashier additions before the trade deadline. Word is any moves they make must be revenue-neutral, or at least come at minimal cost. What else is new? …"

 

http://www.athlonsports.com/baseball/17029/nl-notes-braun-calls-out-pitching-staff

 

"Yesterday afternoon, rumors spread that the Pirates are not done cleaning house and that they may make closer Matt Capps available in a trade for a power arm. The first team that came to mind was the Marlins who are back in the NL East race even though closer Matt Lindstrom is on the DL.

 

The Marlins have a couple of pitching prospects in Ryan Tucker and Jose Ceda who they could trade to get Matt Capps. Here is what John Sickels from www.minorleagueball.com had to say about Tucker and Ceda:

 

Ryan Tucker, RHP, Grade B: He needs another pitch if he wants to start, but the ceiling stands out as excellent.

Jose Ceda, RHP, Grade B: Yet another high ceiling arm with command issues. Also has to watch weight.

 

The Marlins would use Capps to close with Leo Nunez and Dan Meyer handling the setup duties. In return, the Pirates would get one of Tucker, who should start at the major league level or Ceda, who could replace Capps as the Pirates closer in 2010."

 

http://www.faketeams.com/2009/7/2/935161/mlb-trade-rumors-matt-capps-to-the

 

I just love research because you have to know BOTH are on the DL. You want them, they're yours.

No thanks for half a season.

I would consider that deal if they weren't both on the DL. Although I think at this point I would be less willing to part with Ceda than Tucker.

There is a huge red flag here. Ryan has to be seriously used goods here. At least Donnolly was performing in AAA. To just release this future all star, something isn't right.

 

I think we have enough options without him.

 

Future All-Star? He's already been there twice.

There is a huge red flag here. Ryan has to be seriously used goods here. At least Donnolly was performing in AAA. To just release this future all star, something isn't right.

 

I think we have enough options without him.

 

Future All-Star? He's already been there twice.

 

 

Sorry, I meant past all star. Either way, we can do better than Ryan.

There is a huge red flag here. Ryan has to be seriously used goods here. At least Donnolly was performing in AAA. To just release this future all star, something isn't right.

 

I think we have enough options without him.

 

Future All-Star? He's already been there twice.

 

 

Sorry, I meant past all star. Either way, we can do better than Ryan.

And what are you willing to give up?

 

There aren't many players in the minors that I would be willing to move to get a closer in return. I have no problem with seeing Uggla, Cantu, or possibly Hermida depart but that would hurt the Marlins' chances at competing this season, which goes against the reason why the Marlins are trying to pick up a closer to begin with.

 

Personally, I find the availability of someone like Ryan to be a blessing that suits the Marlins situation perfectly. Let's not forget that the Orioles are wanting Chris Coghlan for George Sherrill. While the Marlins seemed unwilling to budge on that (for good reason), I would much, much prefer to have Ryan in the bullpen than Sherrill.