Uggla and Hermida, plus a B grade single A prospect to the Giants for Madison Bumgarner. They deperately need power hitters and we desperately need a projectable lefty starter who is more than a soft tosser. Sure hope its possible to get something like this done, We got to figure out what we could package with Uggla to get this guy. I'd even toss in Cantu, provide we re-sign NJ.

 

 

We could get Cain for what you describe!

Dan Uggla straight up for Bumgarner would be the trade.You think Loria would consent to trading all those players for one prospect? ha!.

 

 

No, it wouldn't. You seem to not understand what FishDynasty is saying. Bumgarner is the BEST pitching prospect in all of baseball. He's a lefty, only 20 years old, and hasn't been rushed to the majors like Andrew Miller has.

 

I would do Uggla, Miller, Hermida, Sanabia, and Tucker. And I love Andrew Miller. But that's how good Bumgarner is.

Your quite high on a prospect that has never pitched in the major leagues.The Marlins will get owned, if they trade Uggla, Hermida and another high prospect for Bumgarner.It just isn't a compatible trade.You are really overrating this "prospect".You are also really underrating Dan Uggla.

 

 

No, you're really overrating Dan Uggla. He's a low-800 OPS second baseman with average to below-average defense. If you think we would be able to get Bumgarrner with just Uggla alone then you're crazy.

 

 

Lol uggla is a 30 90 or 100 guy and 250 or 260 avg avg 2nd baseman . He's having a bad year and he's still gonna hit 30 homers and knock in 80+ rbi's, he's not that bad, especially for a team that needs power. Then you add hermida which to me is gonna be a solid outfielder just needs consistency and a mid lever prospect, for a young prospect with great stuff lol havent i heard that before with andrew miller lol so he's only a prospect same goes with stanton there prospects. Uggla you know what your gonna get. good trade for both and that 5 player trade is just stupid and idiotic!

Dan Uggla straight up for Bumgarner would be the trade.You think Loria would consent to trading all those players for one prospect? ha!.

No, it wouldn't. You seem to not understand what FishDynasty is saying. Bumgarner is the BEST pitching prospect in all of baseball. He's a lefty, only 20 years old, and hasn't been rushed to the majors like Andrew Miller has. I would do Uggla, Miller, Hermida, Sanabia, and Tucker. And I love Andrew Miller. But that's how good Bumgarner is. Your quite high on a prospect that has never pitched in the major leagues.The Marlins will get owned, if they trade Uggla, Hermida and another high prospect for Bumgarner.It just isn't a compatible trade.You are really overrating this "prospect".You are also really underrating Dan Uggla. No, you're really overrating Dan Uggla. He's a low-800 OPS second baseman with average to below-average defense. If you think we would be able to get Bumgarrner with just Uggla alone then you're crazy. He's not saying that at all, he's saying those 5 players for a very good prospect isn't worth it and I agree. It's a lopsided trade that doesn't really make much sense.

 

 

"Dan Uggla straight up for Bumgarner would be the trade.You think Loria would consent to trading all those players for one prospect? ha!."- Retro_Marlins

 

You were saying?

Dan Uggla straight up for Bumgarner would be the trade.You think Loria would consent to trading all those players for one prospect? ha!.

 

 

No, it wouldn't. You seem to not understand what FishDynasty is saying. Bumgarner is the BEST pitching prospect in all of baseball. He's a lefty, only 20 years old, and hasn't been rushed to the majors like Andrew Miller has.

 

I would do Uggla, Miller, Hermida, Sanabia, and Tucker. And I love Andrew Miller. But that's how good Bumgarner is.

Your quite high on a prospect that has never pitched in the major leagues.The Marlins will get owned, if they trade Uggla, Hermida and another high prospect for Bumgarner.It just isn't a compatible trade.You are really overrating this "prospect".You are also really underrating Dan Uggla.

 

 

No, you're really overrating Dan Uggla. He's a low-800 OPS second baseman with average to below-average defense. If you think we would be able to get Bumgarrner with just Uggla alone then you're crazy.

 

 

Lol uggla is a 30 90 or 100 guy and 250 or 260 avg avg 2nd baseman . He's having a bad year and he's still gonna hit 30 homers and knock in 80+ rbi's, he's not that bad, especially for a team that needs power. Then you add hermida which to me is gonna be a solid outfielder just needs consistency and a mid lever prospect, for a young prospect with great stuff lol havent i heard that before with andrew miller lol so he's only a prospect same goes with stanton there prospects. Uggla you know what your gonna get. good trade for both and that 5 player trade is just stupid and idiotic!

 

 

I don't know if you were trying to contradict me about Uggla or not, but he's a low-800 OPS second baseman, who plays average to below average defense. Nothing spectacular. Hermida doesn't have much value, if any at all. He's heading into his second year of arbitration next season, and he's going to be a 26-year-old, below average outfielder. It really depends who the mid-level prospect is, but again, you're going to need to give up one of our top prospects, plus Uggla and Hermida, at least, to get a prospect of Bumgarner's caliber.

Dan Uggla straight up for Bumgarner would be the trade.You think Loria would consent to trading all those players for one prospect? ha!.

 

 

No, it wouldn't. You seem to not understand what FishDynasty is saying. Bumgarner is the BEST pitching prospect in all of baseball. He's a lefty, only 20 years old, and hasn't been rushed to the majors like Andrew Miller has.

 

I would do Uggla, Miller, Hermida, Sanabia, and Tucker. And I love Andrew Miller. But that's how good Bumgarner is.

Your quite high on a prospect that has never pitched in the major leagues.The Marlins will get owned, if they trade Uggla, Hermida and another high prospect for Bumgarner.It just isn't a compatible trade.You are really overrating this "prospect".You are also really underrating Dan Uggla.

 

 

No, you're really overrating Dan Uggla. He's a low-800 OPS second baseman with average to below-average defense. If you think we would be able to get Bumgarrner with just Uggla alone then you're crazy.

 

 

Lol uggla is a 30 90 or 100 guy and 250 or 260 avg avg 2nd baseman . He's having a bad year and he's still gonna hit 30 homers and knock in 80+ rbi's, he's not that bad, especially for a team that needs power. Then you add hermida which to me is gonna be a solid outfielder just needs consistency and a mid lever prospect, for a young prospect with great stuff lol havent i heard that before with andrew miller lol so he's only a prospect same goes with stanton there prospects. Uggla you know what your gonna get. good trade for both and that 5 player trade is just stupid and idiotic!

Exactly this guy doesn't know baseball.He is assuming this "prospect" turns into a superstar.He is also underrating the talent we would be trading.Bumgarner wont even sniff the major leagues until 2011 or late 2010 at the earliest.

You don't know baseball.You are assuming this "prospect"turns into a superstar.You are also underrating the talent we would betrading.Bumgarner wont even sniff the major leagues until 2011 or late2010 at the earliest.

 

We would be giving up to much.How can you not see that?.Or why so desperate to trade Uggla?.

Madison Bumgarner has had a 2.07 ERA or less at every minor league level he has been at. It is safe to assume he will be at the very least a very good #2 pitcher at the major league level in 1.5-3 years. We already have Chris Coghlan performing amazingly, and he is a natural 2nd baseman. Logan Morrison has shown great patience at the minor league level and is poised to take over LF, if we could get Bumgarner for Uggla and 2-3 average/good prospects, I and everybody else would be thrilled. I mean we are getting a Josh Johnson like prospect in Bumgarner.

 

Uggla really isn't worth the $8 million he would make in arbitration, and we could begin rebuilding our pretty much depleted minor league depth at pitching by trading Uggla. We wouldn't have traded to get Bonifacio and we wouldn't have called up Coghlan if we didn't believe one of those two would be taking over for Uggla next season.

You don't know baseball.You are assuming this "prospect"turns into a superstar.You are also underrating the talent we would betrading.Bumgarner wont even sniff the major leagues until 2011 or late2010 at the earliest.

 

We would be giving up to much.How can you not see that?.Or why so desperate to trade Uggla?.

 

 

 

Yes, that's exactly right, I know nothing about baseball. And going by your history on here, and being someone who can't even seperate the first letter of a sentence from a period, you have proven that you are the expert at baseball.

 

I'll try this one more time. Of course no prospect is a guaranteed superstar, we've had plenty of those types of players (i.e. Miller, Hermida, etc.). You have to treat this kid like he is going to be something special though, going by his minor league history. He's the top rated minor league pitching prospect by basically every ranking system out there, and if you think that we're going to get him with just Uggla, then you're crazy. Now, the Giants don't even need a second baseman, but for the sake of this argument, let's just assume they do. Freddy Sanchez, who isn't that much worse than Uggla, was just traded to the Giants for Tim Alderson (a great pitching prospect, but not near Bumgarner's level.) Most people called that a steal for the Pirates. They would never give up their top prospect (close with Buster Posey), and the best pitching prospect in baseball, for a player slightly better than Sanchez.

 

As I said before, Hermida has minimal value. He's a guy that you would probably throw into a trade just to solidify your offer, but he's not going to be a major piece in any trade. And again, no one specified what type of prospect the third player would be in the trade, but it would have to be one of our top ones to pry away Bumgarner.

 

I'm not deperate to trade Uggla (although I think he will be traded at the end of the season), I'm just saying that your expectations for what we're going to get for him are way too high.

The Giants are going to find out that Sanchez and Garko won't be nearly enough to get them into the playoffs, even with their two aces. Look at Zito starving for runs, shutting everyone down and he cant sniff a win without pitching a shutout. Sanchez came up as a utility inflielder, playing 2nd, SS and 3rd, SS less than the other positions given the presense of Jack Wilson. But he can play SS, and the Giants can slide him over there and Uggla will play his natural 2nd base position. Uggla's HR's are rarely cheap and he can hit em out at Pac Park. He'll be a 30hr/90 rbi guy for them which the Giants desperately need. Hermida will give the Giants more power and RBI's than what they have in RF presently.

 

I agree that Bumgarner will require more than Uggla and Hermida from us, but we've got to deal. Bumgarner will slide right in as a potentially terrific #2. I understand Cantu would be a tough fit for the Giants position wise, given Kung Fu Panda and Garko, though Cantu is a better RBI guy than Garko. So if they don't want Cantu, I'd include Cody in the deal but ask for Nate Schierholtz back.

 

thus the deal....Uggla, Hermida and Ross for Bumgarner and Schierholtz. The Giants get the infusion of HR/RBI talent they desperately need in their lineup. We get the projectible frontline young lefty starter we need, throwing 95+ with 3 out pitches

 

Our lineup next year 1st-NJ (after we sign him to a 2yr10-12 mil deal), 2nd-CC, SS-Hanley, 3rd-Cantu. A teriffic hitting infield. Outfield will be a little young but talented LF-Morrison ready to go, CF-Maybin hopefully ready to go, RF-Schierholtz/Gload/trade (some combination) C-Baker (and of course Stanton waiting in the wings late 2010 or more likely 2011).

 

Love to see this happen. And if Uggla, Hermida and Ross aren't enough (though they should be) I'd throw in Tucker or RVH...Bumgarner is JJ from the right side and we've got to get him. I think the rose buds have come off our so called young 1st round pitching studs. Volstad and West are mid to high 4 ERA guys. #4 or #5 guys at best. Ricky Nolasko a #3. Our minor league system is presently SP barren. We all know what we need and we have the tradeable bats to make it happen. Come off season we need to do what we can to make it happen

The Giants are going to find out that Sanchez and Garko won't be nearly enough to get them into the playoffs, even with their two aces. Look at Zito starving for runs, shutting everyone down and he cant sniff a win without pitching a shutout. Sanchez came up as a utility inflielder, playing 2nd, SS and 3rd, SS less than the other positions given the presense of Jack Wilson. But he can play SS, and the Giants can slide him over there and Uggla will play his natural 2nd base position. Uggla's HR's are rarely cheap and he can hit em out at Pac Park. He'll be a 30hr/90 rbi guy for them which the Giants desperately need. Hermida will give the Giants more power and RBI's than what they have in RF presently.

 

I agree that Bumgarner will require more than Uggla and Hermida from us, but we've got to deal. Bumgarner will slide right in as a potentially terrific #2. I understand Cantu would be a tough fit for the Giants position wise, given Kung Fu Panda and Garko, though Cantu is a better RBI guy than Garko. So if they don't want Cantu, I'd include Cody in the deal but ask for Nate Schierholtz back.

 

thus the deal....Uggla, Hermida and Ross for Bumgarner and Schierholtz. The Giants get the infusion of HR/RBI talent they desperately need in their lineup. We get the projectible frontline young lefty starter we need, throwing 95+ with 3 out pitches

 

Our lineup next year 1st-NJ (after we sign him to a 2yr10-12 mil deal), 2nd-CC, SS-Hanley, 3rd-Cantu. A teriffic hitting infield. Outfield will be a little young but talented LF-Morrison ready to go, CF-Maybin hopefully ready to go, RF-Schierholtz/Gload/trade (some combination) C-Baker (and of course Stanton waiting in the wings late 2010 or more likely 2011).

 

Love to see this happen. And if Uggla, Hermida and Ross aren't enough (though they should be) I'd throw in Tucker or RVH...Bumgarner is JJ from the right side and we've got to get him. I think the rose buds have come off our so called young 1st round pitching studs. Volstad and West are mid to high 4 ERA guys. #4 or #5 guys at best. Ricky Nolasko a #3. Our minor league system is presently SP barren. We all know what we need and we have the tradeable bats to make it happen. Come off season we need to do what we can to make it happen

 

 

 

 

I'd rather keep Cody but if we deal him as well we better get something better then Schierholtz in return. Maybe Velez who's originally a Middle Infielder but is currently in LF or if they are that desperate then trade Fred Lewis.

 

Also we shouldn't resign Johnson for that kind of money, I'd prefer Morison to just take over at 1st and stick a B.C./Bonifacio platoon out there(If Cody is traded) If not then We are looking at 1st Base Morrison, 2nd Base Coghlan, SS Hanley and A ? at 3rd. If we trade Cantu then we'd have to find a replacement 3rd baseman unless we want to go back to Bonifacio or Gaby and if we didn't trade Cantu then he'd be back at 3rd.

 

Outfield if we trade Cody would be, Maybin in Center then B.C/Bonifacio Platoon in one corner spot and the other corner spot would be a player that we got from the trade(Schierholtz, Lewis, Velez etc.).

 

Then we can have the J.J., Nolasco, Volstad, then you have a few options for 4 and 5 in Bumgarner, Miller, West and RVH topping out on the list.

 

We really though don't know if this will happen and it's up to the FO to try to make our team better or somehow make them worse.

We're not getting Madison Bumbgarner, but If we were, the trade that could bring him in is Dan Uggla, Jeremy Hermida, and Andrew Miller.

I love Andrew Miller, and everyone here knows I still think he can be a beast, but Madison Bumgarner is a better fit. He was not rushed to the Majors like Andrew Miller was, and we can groom him our way.

But, we're not getting Madison Bumgarner. The Giants were stupid enough to trade away Tim Alderson, they won't be with Madison Bumgarner.

The Giants are going to find out that Sanchez and Garko won't be nearly enough to get them into the playoffs, even with their two aces. Look at Zito starving for runs, shutting everyone down and he cant sniff a win without pitching a shutout. Sanchez came up as a utility inflielder, playing 2nd, SS and 3rd, SS less than the other positions given the presense of Jack Wilson. But he can play SS, and the Giants can slide him over there and Uggla will play his natural 2nd base position. Uggla's HR's are rarely cheap and he can hit em out at Pac Park. He'll be a 30hr/90 rbi guy for them which the Giants desperately need. Hermida will give the Giants more power and RBI's than what they have in RF presently.

 

I agree that Bumgarner will require more than Uggla and Hermida from us, but we've got to deal. Bumgarner will slide right in as a potentially terrific #2. I understand Cantu would be a tough fit for the Giants position wise, given Kung Fu Panda and Garko, though Cantu is a better RBI guy than Garko. So if they don't want Cantu, I'd include Cody in the deal but ask for Nate Schierholtz back.

 

thus the deal....Uggla, Hermida and Ross for Bumgarner and Schierholtz. The Giants get the infusion of HR/RBI talent they desperately need in their lineup. We get the projectible frontline young lefty starter we need, throwing 95+ with 3 out pitches

 

Our lineup next year 1st-NJ (after we sign him to a 2yr10-12 mil deal), 2nd-CC, SS-Hanley, 3rd-Cantu. A teriffic hitting infield. Outfield will be a little young but talented LF-Morrison ready to go, CF-Maybin hopefully ready to go, RF-Schierholtz/Gload/trade (some combination) C-Baker (and of course Stanton waiting in the wings late 2010 or more likely 2011).

 

Love to see this happen. And if Uggla, Hermida and Ross aren't enough (though they should be) I'd throw in Tucker or RVH...Bumgarner is JJ from the right side and we've got to get him. I think the rose buds have come off our so called young 1st round pitching studs. Volstad and West are mid to high 4 ERA guys. #4 or #5 guys at best. Ricky Nolasko a #3. Our minor league system is presently SP barren. We all know what we need and we have the tradeable bats to make it happen. Come off season we need to do what we can to make it happen

 

 

 

 

The Giants do. not. need. OFers. SS. That's their focus on trading bumgarner. They have no SS depth anywhere. We are not trade candidates for Bumgarner. f*** again sabean even came out and said it was untouchable. Why even continue bothering thinking about it?

So, basically, the only way Bumgarner can get traded is if the Rays offered the Giants Tim Beckham for Bumgarner?

not really

We're not getting Madison Bumbgarner, but If we were, the trade that could bring him in is Dan Uggla, Jeremy Hermida, and Andrew Miller.

I love Andrew Miller, and everyone here knows I still think he can be a beast, but Madison Bumgarner is a better fit. He was not rushed to the Majors like Andrew Miller was, and we can groom him our way.

But, we're not getting Madison Bumgarner. The Giants were stupid enough to trade away Tim Alderson, they won't be with Madison Bumgarner.

 

 

 

Bumgarner isn't even near ready for the major leagues.Settle down.

not really

 

 

 

You just said the only way to get Bumgarner was to give them a prospect at SS, because they are lacking there.

Well, isn't Tim Becham a SS that was drafted #1 overall? He is a top prospect at the position the Giants are sorely lacking.

We're not getting Madison Bumbgarner, but If we were, the trade that could bring him in is Dan Uggla, Jeremy Hermida, and Andrew Miller.

I love Andrew Miller, and everyone here knows I still think he can be a beast, but Madison Bumgarner is a better fit. He was not rushed to the Majors like Andrew Miller was, and we can groom him our way.

But, we're not getting Madison Bumgarner. The Giants were stupid enough to trade away Tim Alderson, they won't be with Madison Bumgarner.

 

 

 

Bumgarner isn't even near ready for the major leagues.Settle down.

 

 

What does that have to do with anything I've said? Sh!t, I didn't even say call him up.

yeah but that's not the only way for him to be traded

Uggla has an indecision problem. I cant count how many times he wants to swing, but doesn't. Or it looks like he told himself to swing before the pitch was even thrown.

 

It looks to me more like a pyschological problem with Uggla. He needs to stop worrying about the count, stop cheating on pitches, and just play for a hit.

yeah but that's not the only way for him to be traded

 

 

 

Oh, sorry. I thought you meant that wouldn't get it done.

I love how it is just tossed out that he is a 800 OPS 2nd baseman, and therefore only worth so much. Typically there are all of 5 or 6 2B in all of MLB's 30 teams that have an 800 OPS in a season, and there have only been two that have maintained that level over the past 3 seasons.

 

Considering that pretty much anywhere would be a more favorable ballpark for him, I can't see him doing anything but prospering elsewhere, and probably without the chickenshit fan dreams of the next asshat in the minors.

I love how it is just tossed out that he is a 800 OPS 2nd baseman, and therefore only worth so much. Typically there are all of 5 or 6 2B in all of MLB's 30 teams that have an 800 OPS in a season, and there have only been two that have maintained that level over the past 3 seasons.

 

 

There are 7 2bs that have 800 OPSs since 2007. Not 2.

 

As far as your first assesment, since 2006 when Uggla came in the league, there is an average of 9 2b's with OPS of at least 800 per season and there has never been less than 8.

 

Ontop of which, Uggla is only an average at best defensive player and while good on the base paths, is not great.

 

He ranks 16th in WAR this season. Last year, he ranked 3rd. In 2007 he ranked 16th. In 2006 he ranked 3rd. Meaning his average rank is 9.5. In the past 4 years, he has averaged a 3.4 WAR. Good, and above average, but not great. Freddy Sanchez, who has averaged a WAR of 3 since 2005, got traded for a B pitching spec. And the consensus is that the Pirates got a steal for a B pitching spec for him. But that's what we should hope to get for Uggla. Not an A pitching spec, but a B.

 

Yes, he is only worth so much.

I love how it is just tossed out that he is a 800 OPS 2nd baseman, and therefore only worth so much. Typically there are all of 5 or 6 2B in all of MLB's 30 teams that have an 800 OPS in a season, and there have only been two that have maintained that level over the past 3 seasons.

 

 

There are 7 2bs that have 800 OPSs since 2007. Not 2.

 

As far as your first assesment, since 2006 when Uggla came in the league, there is an average of 9 2b's with OPS of at least 800 per season and there has never been less than 8.

 

Ontop of which, Uggla is only an average at best defensive player and while good on the base paths, is not great.

 

He ranks 16th in WAR this season. Last year, he ranked 3rd. In 2007 he ranked 16th. In 2006 he ranked 3rd. Meaning his average rank is 9.5. In the past 4 years, he has averaged a 3.4 WAR. Good, and above average, but not great. Freddy Sanchez, who has averaged a WAR of 3 since 2005, got traded for a B pitching spec. And the consensus is that the Pirates got a steal for a B pitching spec for him. But that's what we should hope to get for Uggla. Not an A pitching spec, but a B.

 

Yes, he is only worth so much.

 

First, are those all full time 2b's? Second, consistently being a top 6-9 in OPS among second basemen in baseball means a lot. That puts him among the top 20-30 percent of all second basemen. If you had a team full of Dan Ugglas (in other words, top 20 to 30 percent of players at each position), we'd be the best team in all of baseball by far. That's very valuable.

First, are those all full time 2b's? Second, consistently being a top 6-9 in OPS among second basemen in baseball means a lot. That puts him among the top 20-30 percent of all second basemen. If you had a team full of Dan Ugglas (in other words, top 20 to 30 percent of players at each position), we'd be the best team in all of baseball by far. That's very valuable.

 

 

It's valuable certainly. Dan Uggla is one of the main reasons we've been good sans-07. But it's not limitless value. He only has so much. And that value as deemed by history of trades is about that of a B, B+ at best prospect with maybe some filler added on.

 

And for your first question, I used the requirement of 50% games at 2b. Going back over, the only ones that weren't full time were Mark Derosa in 2008 and Ben Zobrist this season.

First, are those all full time 2b's? Second, consistently being a top 6-9 in OPS among second basemen in baseball means a lot. That puts him among the top 20-30 percent of all second basemen. If you had a team full of Dan Ugglas (in other words, top 20 to 30 percent of players at each position), we'd be the best team in all of baseball by far. That's very valuable.

 

 

it's not limitless value.

 

Well, that much is obvious. No one has limitless value.