Because Coghlan does not belong in LF, he belongs at 2B. And everything I've read about Coghlans suggests that he can be an average defensive second baseman, which is what Uggla is.

 

Uggla is going to make around 7+ mill next year, and he's not worth it. And we can get some pretty good prospects for Uggla, especially if he continues bat like he is now.

Uggla and Hermida, plus a B grade single A prospect to the Giants for Madison Bumgarner. They deperately need power hitters and we desperately need a projectable lefty starter who is more than a soft tosser. Sure hope its possible to get something like this done, We got to figure out what we could package with Uggla to get this guy. I'd even toss in Cantu, provide we re-sign NJ.

Uggla and Hermida, plus a B grade single A prospect to the Giants for Madison Bumgarner. They deperately need power hitters and we desperately need a projectable lefty starter who is more than a soft tosser. Sure hope its possible to get something like this done, We got to figure out what we could package with Uggla to get this guy. I'd even toss in Cantu, provide we re-sign NJ.

 

That is not a fair trade.

Uggla and Hermida, plus a B grade single A prospect to the Giants for Madison Bumgarner. They deperately need power hitters and we desperately need a projectable lefty starter who is more than a soft tosser. Sure hope its possible to get something like this done, We got to figure out what we could package with Uggla to get this guy. I'd even toss in Cantu, provide we re-sign NJ.

 

 

 

Yes, they would desperately want to give up the best pitching prospect in baseball for a mid-level prospect, an aging second baseman, and a below average outfielder.

Uggla and Hermida, plus a B grade single A prospect to the Giants for Madison Bumgarner. They deperately need power hitters and we desperately need a projectable lefty starter who is more than a soft tosser. Sure hope its possible to get something like this done, We got to figure out what we could package with Uggla to get this guy. I'd even toss in Cantu, provide we re-sign NJ.

 

 

 

Yes, they would desperately want to give up the best pitching prospect in baseball for a mid-level prospect, an aging second baseman, and a below average outfielder.

The Giants would be thrilled at such a heist.The Giant's would clearly get the better end of the trade.Are you kidding me?.

Uggla and Hermida, plus a B grade single A prospect to the Giants for Madison Bumgarner. They deperately need power hitters and we desperately need a projectable lefty starter who is more than a soft tosser. Sure hope its possible to get something like this done, We got to figure out what we could package with Uggla to get this guy. I'd even toss in Cantu, provide we re-sign NJ.

 

 

 

Yes, they would desperately want to give up the best pitching prospect in baseball for a mid-level prospect, an aging second baseman, and a below average outfielder.

The Giants would be thrilled at such a heist.The Giant's would clearly get the better end of the trade.Are you kidding me?.

 

You think that's not a fair trade on our end?

 

I would take that in half a second.

Uggla and Hermida, plus a B grade single A prospect to the Giants for Madison Bumgarner. They deperately need power hitters and we desperately need a projectable lefty starter who is more than a soft tosser. Sure hope its possible to get something like this done, We got to figure out what we could package with Uggla to get this guy. I'd even toss in Cantu, provide we re-sign NJ.

 

 

 

Yes, they would desperately want to give up the best pitching prospect in baseball for a mid-level prospect, an aging second baseman, and a below average outfielder.

The Giants would be thrilled at such a heist.The Giant's would clearly get the better end of the trade.Are you kidding me?.

 

It doesn't seem horribly unfair for either side because Madison is an uber-prospect. I guess you could ask this question: would you trade that quality of a package for Mike Stanton? If the answer if definitely not, then it's the same response for Bumgarner. If yes, then it might be reasonable. Also, I think they are much less likely to trade him now that they've moved Alderson. Also, they have an $8 million club option on Freddy Sanchez, so they don't need Uggla. I don't even think we have the pitching spec to complete the proposed deal, though. Maybe Uggla, Hermida, Sanabia, Tucker, and another low-level spec for Bumgarner would be a fair trade, talent-wise. (kinda guessing here, though)

Uggla and Hermida, plus a B grade single A prospect to the Giants for Madison Bumgarner. They deperately need power hitters and we desperately need a projectable lefty starter who is more than a soft tosser. Sure hope its possible to get something like this done, We got to figure out what we could package with Uggla to get this guy. I'd even toss in Cantu, provide we re-sign NJ.

 

 

 

Yes, they would desperately want to give up the best pitching prospect in baseball for a mid-level prospect, an aging second baseman, and a below average outfielder.

The Giants would be thrilled at such a heist.The Giant's would clearly get the better end of the trade.Are you kidding me?.

 

You think that's not a fair trade on our end?

 

I would take that in half a second.

 

hey bob, missed you. also, bumgarner's K-rates are down a good bit this year, but I'd still take him in a heartbeat.

The trade would essentially be Uggla and quantity for Bumgarner. Aka, Uggla for Bumgarner. Aka, not good for the giants.

 

Sabean said earlier that bumgarner is basically untouchable anyway.

 

Aldersen and Barnes would have been cool, and they basically traded those two for players we have (And Uggla >> Sanchez, but it's hard to say who has more value out of Cantu and Garko. Cantu is probably better production (they both are ~750 OPS bats against RHP and ~900 OPS bats against LHP, but Cantu is better defensively), plus you get atleast type B compensation soon, but Garko is controlled for 3 years after this season. Though, that's also arbitration years, so he's gonna be costly. I'd prefer Cantu personally). With the way the team is performing, it's good we didn't do those trades. But if we don't make the playoffs, and hindsight being the 20/20 it is, it'd hurt because Barnes and Aldersen would be ready when Dominguez/Stanton/Morrison/co are ready.

 

I imagine we'll still get something good for Uggla if we decide to trade him now that he's heating back up, but probably not somebody as good as Aldersen. And I'm really afraid the market for Cantu will be bare, although us putting him back at third base could increase his value by a lot, if he can play it like he did the second half last year.

The reality is if this was the off-season or one of the two teams out of contention for the playoffs, somewhere there might be a deal to be made - but not now, not with the Giants losers of six of their last ten and starved for offense and the Marlins winners of seven of their last ten and with a chance to be sharing the wild card lead by the end of play on Sunday night.

 

The only way you make this trade if you're the Marlins is if you think the smart move is while trying to sell close to a billion dollars in seating and concession rights in a controversial new stadium is to smile and give what's left of your team (after trading away as many as three starting position players), your fanbase and South Florida generally, the finger and maybe hold on to fourth place in the division at season's end.

 

I don't think so.

Good to see the debate. Of course this is not an in-season trade. It'll be a off season deal if it does take place as both teams will have to come to terms with why they didn't make the playoffs.

 

For the Giants, the analysis will be simple. With two of the top 5 pitchers in MLB on their staff, they'll have no business missing the playoffs but yet they will. They can't score runs, Sandoval is the only dangerous bat they have that pitchers need to work around (except our staff and Molina). Garko and Sanchez may hit for average, but they neither produce nor drive in runs to any significant degree.

 

Although I hope I'm wrong I fully expect our starting pitching to keep us out of the playoffs. We also need a lefty to balance our right handers, and who can throw 95+. Neither West or Miller can, Miller is a basket case who may never find the right release point in his delivery, and West a Volsted from the left side at best, who needs to perfect his off speed pitches and locate them...he's a #5 starter at best.

 

If we're willing to re-sign NJ, I'd do Uggla. Hermida and Cantu in a heartbeat for Bumgarner and whatever other prospect at whatever level we can get from SF, doesn't matter. Cantu and Uggla give them exactly what they need, and Hermida is better than what they have in RF right now. We get a premium young lefty starter who may be ready to go from day one next year, and club controlled till 2017, and dump over 17ml in salary we can use in a 2 yr 10-12 ml deal for NJ. I'd be content with a NJ, Boni, Hanley, CC infield, w/ Ross, Maybin and Morrison in the outfield, Baker at catcher. We''ll score enough runs, and our starting pitching will be better. And by the way, I'd give them Andrew Miller or Ryan Tucker, their choice, and keep Hermida if the Giants wanted a package of other than 3 bats.

 

I'm teliing you this deal is doable, and will improve us. And if the Giants think they're getting a heist, than good for them. Let them think that way if that's what it takes to get this deal done.

 

By the way, the Rockies will win the Wild Card. I think we're better. But I took a look at their schedule, all the games at Coors they'll be playing and whats left on their schedule and laughed. Tough break for us, but the Rockies remaining schedule is a yellow brick road that will lead them right into the post-season.

Uggla and Hermida, plus a B grade single A prospect to the Giants for Madison Bumgarner. They deperately need power hitters and we desperately need a projectable lefty starter who is more than a soft tosser. Sure hope its possible to get something like this done, We got to figure out what we could package with Uggla to get this guy. I'd even toss in Cantu, provide we re-sign NJ.

 

 

 

Yes, they would desperately want to give up the best pitching prospect in baseball for a mid-level prospect, an aging second baseman, and a below average outfielder.

The Giants would be thrilled at such a heist.The Giant's would clearly get the better end of the trade.Are you kidding me?.

 

 

I don't think you understand. Bumgarner is the best pitching prospect in baseball. There's less than a 0% chance the Giants would accept that. Hermida's value is going down by the day, and Uggla is going to be 30 next season. It would take those two, plus one of our best prospects to get Bumgarner, easily.

Uggla and Hermida, plus a B grade single A prospect to the Giants for Madison Bumgarner. They deperately need power hitters and we desperately need a projectable lefty starter who is more than a soft tosser. Sure hope its possible to get something like this done, We got to figure out what we could package with Uggla to get this guy. I'd even toss in Cantu, provide we re-sign NJ.

 

 

 

Yes, they would desperately want to give up the best pitching prospect in baseball for a mid-level prospect, an aging second baseman, and a below average outfielder.

The Giants would be thrilled at such a heist.The Giant's would clearly get the better end of the trade.Are you kidding me?.

 

 

I don't think you understand. Bumgarner is the best pitching prospect in baseball. There's less than a 0% chance the Giants would accept that. Hermida's value is going down by the day, and Uggla is going to be 30 next season. It would take those two, plus one of our best prospects to get Bumgarner, easily.

Hermida is batting over .300 in August. He's slowly picking it up him batting 8th has also improved his OBP.

And SF doesn't care much about age when they were fielding the oldest team a few seasons ago. It would be great to get the TOP pitching prospect.

Uggla and Hermida, plus a B grade single A prospect to the Giants for Madison Bumgarner. They deperately need power hitters and we desperately need a projectable lefty starter who is more than a soft tosser. Sure hope its possible to get something like this done, We got to figure out what we could package with Uggla to get this guy. I'd even toss in Cantu, provide we re-sign NJ.

 

 

 

Yes, they would desperately want to give up the best pitching prospect in baseball for a mid-level prospect, an aging second baseman, and a below average outfielder.

The Giants would be thrilled at such a heist.The Giant's would clearly get the better end of the trade.Are you kidding me?.

 

 

I don't think you understand. Bumgarner is the best pitching prospect in baseball. There's less than a 0% chance the Giants would accept that. Hermida's value is going down by the day, and Uggla is going to be 30 next season. It would take those two, plus one of our best prospects to get Bumgarner, easily.

Hermida is batting over .300 in August. He's slowly picking it up him batting 8th has also improved his OBP.

And SF doesn't care much about age when they were fielding the oldest team a few seasons ago. It would be great to get the TOP pitching prospect.

 

 

So, because Hermida suddenly has a .770 OPS in August (which is still below average for a right fielder), and the Giants supposedly "don't care about age", they would accept it?

 

Sure, it would be great for US, but that's all it would be good for.

Dan Uggla straight up for Bumgarner would be the trade.You think Loria would consent to trading all those players for one prospect? ha!.

Dan Uggla straight up for Bumgarner would be the trade.You think Loria would consent to trading all those players for one prospect? ha!.

 

 

No, it wouldn't. You seem to not understand what FishDynasty is saying. Bumgarner is the BEST pitching prospect in all of baseball. He's a lefty, only 20 years old, and hasn't been rushed to the majors like Andrew Miller has.

 

I would do Uggla, Miller, Hermida, Sanabia, and Tucker. And I love Andrew Miller. But that's how good Bumgarner is.

The trade would essentially be Uggla and quantity for Bumgarner. Aka, Uggla for Bumgarner. Aka, not good for the giants.

 

Sabean said earlier that bumgarner is basically untouchable anyway.

 

Aldersen and Barnes would have been cool, and they basically traded those two for players we have (And Uggla >> Sanchez, but it's hard to say who has more value out of Cantu and Garko. Cantu is probably better production (they both are ~750 OPS bats against RHP and ~900 OPS bats against LHP, but Cantu is better defensively), plus you get atleast type B compensation soon, but Garko is controlled for 3 years after this season. Though, that's also arbitration years, so he's gonna be costly. I'd prefer Cantu personally). With the way the team is performing, it's good we didn't do those trades. But if we don't make the playoffs, and hindsight being the 20/20 it is, it'd hurt because Barnes and Aldersen would be ready when Dominguez/Stanton/Morrison/co are ready.

 

I imagine we'll still get something good for Uggla if we decide to trade him now that he's heating back up, but probably not somebody as good as Aldersen. And I'm really afraid the market for Cantu will be bare, although us putting him back at third base could increase his value by a lot, if he can play it like he did the second half last year.

 

 

Nny, I remember reading one of MarlinLou's posts, and he mentioned that if we keep Cantu till 2010, then let him walk after that, we would be getting back Two First round picks because he will be a Type A free agent. Is that true?

I'm teliing you this deal is doable, and will improve us. And if the Giants think they're getting a heist, than good for them. Let them think that way if that's what it takes to get this deal done.

 

 

You say the deal is doable, but, where is Dan Uggla going to play? Where is Jorge Cantu going to play? The Giants have locks at first, second, third, CF, C, and LF next year. They need a RF (And no, that isn't Hermida, they could pick up someone better than Hermida on FA for less then he'll make in arbitration) and a SS.

 

SS (.630 OPS) and RF (.677 OPS) are the only holes in their offense now. They're getting league average production, in most cases better, at other positions. How does trading for a 1b, a 2b, and a RFer barely keeping over the 700 mark improve their offense? It makes no sense on the Giants part.

 

It's not doable and if the Giants trade Bumgarner they're going to look for someone better than Uggla. They're target in a trade of Bumgarner would be a SS because they don't have that depth anywhere.

 

There's two things.

 

1) There are two sides to every trade. Just because it'd "Make sense" for us doesn't mean it'd "Make sense" for them. Especially in a situation for the Giants where they call all the shots, which they would be by trading Bumgarner (And, again, they're already basically said he's untoucahble, so bringing his name up is pointless to begin with)

 

2) You don't just keep adding players to a deal. Quality of a player means a LOT more than quanity of players. SImply by saying "keep adding players until the Giants are happy", it doesn't work that way.

Yes, they would desperately want to give up the best pitching prospect in baseball for a mid-level prospect, an aging second baseman, and a below average outfielder.

The Giants would be thrilled at such a heist.The Giant's would clearly get the better end of the trade.Are you kidding me?.

 

 

I don't think you understand. Bumgarner is the best pitching prospect in baseball. There's less than a 0% chance the Giants would accept that. Hermida's value is going down by the day, and Uggla is going to be 30 next season. It would take those two, plus one of our best prospects to get Bumgarner, easily.

Hermida is batting over .300 in August. He's slowly picking it up him batting 8th has also improved his OBP.

And SF doesn't care much about age when they were fielding the oldest team a few seasons ago. It would be great to get the TOP pitching prospect.

 

 

So, because Hermida suddenly has a .770 OPS in August (which is still below average for a right fielder), and the Giants supposedly "don't care about age", they would accept it?

 

Sure, it would be great for US, but that's all it would be good for.

No If you read my post again it NEVER says that I stated that the Giants would accept. I'm just stating that your posting the wrong reasons as to why the Giants wont make that trade. The Giants would want an Arm and two legs for that prospect and we all know Uggla and Hermida wouldn't be enough.

No If you read my post again it NEVER says that I stated that the Giants would accept. I'm just stating that your posting the wrong reasons as to why the Giants wont make that trade. The Giants would want an Arm and two legs for that prospect and we all know Uggla and Hermida wouldn't be enough.

 

 

Hermida would need to raise his OPS by a lot (to near-800) in order to raise his value to any significance.

The trade would essentially be Uggla and quantity for Bumgarner. Aka, Uggla for Bumgarner. Aka, not good for the giants.

 

Sabean said earlier that bumgarner is basically untouchable anyway.

 

Aldersen and Barnes would have been cool, and they basically traded those two for players we have (And Uggla >> Sanchez, but it's hard to say who has more value out of Cantu and Garko. Cantu is probably better production (they both are ~750 OPS bats against RHP and ~900 OPS bats against LHP, but Cantu is better defensively), plus you get atleast type B compensation soon, but Garko is controlled for 3 years after this season. Though, that's also arbitration years, so he's gonna be costly. I'd prefer Cantu personally). With the way the team is performing, it's good we didn't do those trades. But if we don't make the playoffs, and hindsight being the 20/20 it is, it'd hurt because Barnes and Aldersen would be ready when Dominguez/Stanton/Morrison/co are ready.

 

I imagine we'll still get something good for Uggla if we decide to trade him now that he's heating back up, but probably not somebody as good as Aldersen. And I'm really afraid the market for Cantu will be bare, although us putting him back at third base could increase his value by a lot, if he can play it like he did the second half last year.

 

 

Nny, I remember reading one of MarlinLou's posts, and he mentioned that if we keep Cantu till 2010, then let him walk after that, we would be getting back Two First round picks because he will be a Type A free agent. Is that true?

 

he'll probably be Type B, he could be Type A. he won't hit type A though unless he plays 3b.

Nny, I remember reading one of MarlinLou's posts, and he mentioned that if we keep Cantu till 2010, then let him walk after that, we would be getting back Two First round picks because he will be a Type A free agent. Is that true?

 

he'll probably be Type B, he could be Type A. he won't hit type A though unless he plays 3b.

Assuming he is one of the one or two arbitration bats they keep, you'd have to imagine he starts nearly every game at 3B with Sanchez and Morrison around. I think he can get into A compensation fairly easily with such a scenario.

Dan Uggla straight up for Bumgarner would be the trade.You think Loria would consent to trading all those players for one prospect? ha!.

 

 

No, it wouldn't. You seem to not understand what FishDynasty is saying. Bumgarner is the BEST pitching prospect in all of baseball. He's a lefty, only 20 years old, and hasn't been rushed to the majors like Andrew Miller has.

 

I would do Uggla, Miller, Hermida, Sanabia, and Tucker. And I love Andrew Miller. But that's how good Bumgarner is.

Your quite high on a prospect that has never pitched in the major leagues.The Marlins will get owned, if they trade Uggla, Hermida and another high prospect for Bumgarner.It just isn't a compatible trade.You are really overrating this "prospect".You are also really underrating Dan Uggla.

Dan Uggla straight up for Bumgarner would be the trade.You think Loria would consent to trading all those players for one prospect? ha!.

 

 

No, it wouldn't. You seem to not understand what FishDynasty is saying. Bumgarner is the BEST pitching prospect in all of baseball. He's a lefty, only 20 years old, and hasn't been rushed to the majors like Andrew Miller has.

 

I would do Uggla, Miller, Hermida, Sanabia, and Tucker. And I love Andrew Miller. But that's how good Bumgarner is.

Your quite high on a prospect that has never pitched in the major leagues.The Marlins will get owned, if they trade Uggla, Hermida and another high prospect for Bumgarner.It just isn't a compatible trade.You are really overrating this "prospect".You are also really underrating Dan Uggla.

 

 

No, you're really overrating Dan Uggla. He's a low-800 OPS second baseman with average to below-average defense. If you think we would be able to get Bumgarrner with just Uggla alone then you're crazy.

Dan Uggla straight up for Bumgarner would be the trade.You think Loria would consent to trading all those players for one prospect? ha!.

No, it wouldn't. You seem to not understand what FishDynasty is saying. Bumgarner is the BEST pitching prospect in all of baseball. He's a lefty, only 20 years old, and hasn't been rushed to the majors like Andrew Miller has. I would do Uggla, Miller, Hermida, Sanabia, and Tucker. And I love Andrew Miller. But that's how good Bumgarner is. Your quite high on a prospect that has never pitched in the major leagues.The Marlins will get owned, if they trade Uggla, Hermida and another high prospect for Bumgarner.It just isn't a compatible trade.You are really overrating this "prospect".You are also really underrating Dan Uggla. No, you're really overrating Dan Uggla. He's a low-800 OPS second baseman with average to below-average defense. If you think we would be able to get Bumgarrner with just Uggla alone then you're crazy. He's not saying that at all, he's saying those 5 players for a very good prospect isn't worth it and I agree. It's a lopsided trade that doesn't really make much sense.