I think most of us at this point has seen enough of Uggla recently. It's obvious that he will not be with the team come next season. Should we consider putting him on waivers and try to go out and get a 5th SP? That way we can either slide Bonifacio into his natural position or put Coghlan into 2B.

 

Should we try and keep him for the rest of the season and hope he can contribute?

 

What are your opinions?

Keep him IMO. I don't know his exact numbers but aren't his k's down from last year and his walks up. Along with his line drive percent the same as 08 ? He has had some tough luck. As for his average with risp I'm pretty sure it sucks. Last year he was pretty clutch in big situation. I do know that I don't want boni in the every day line up though.

I would have liked to deal him for a SP before the deadline. But now i think we're just stuck with him

Keep him IMO. I don't know his exact numbers but aren't his k's down from last year and his walks up. Along with his line drive percent the same as 08 ? He has had some tough luck. As for his average with risp I'm pretty sure it sucks. Last year he was pretty clutch in big situation. I do know that I don't want boni in the every day line up though.

 

 

I say bench uggla for a few games. he's worthless when it counts. he's hitting like .202 with RISP. ugh he made me so mad tonight!!!

We have to keep him. It'll be near impossible to replace his power production now.

Uggla's lows look so low because of the heights we have seen him reach. But even at his lowest he is twice the hitter Bonifacio ever will be. He is going through a slide right now, but the Marlins have to ride it out.

 

That said, I thought it was a really dumb piece of hitting on Uggla's part against Marmol tonight. The only pitch he could get over for a strike was his slider and that was all he was throwing at Uggla. He should have sat on that pitch and drove it. The slider should not have jumped on him like it seemed to when it was obvious that pitch was coming.

uggla is actually getting worse. In July in 87 abs , he had a .726 OPS, .379 slg, 26 K's, 12 walks, .214 RISP and only 8 rbi's. He also struck out 8 times in 31 RISP at bats. Terrible dan, terrible

If Hanley is ready tomorrow i say bench him for a couple games and start Boni at 2B. Maybe a couple days off will help him! (Look at Rollins)..

 

 

Btw i hope Cantu stays all night at the staduim taking ground balls and throwing to first and 2B!

The problem with Uggla is that his hits have been meaningless all year.

 

High leverage situations: .210/.337/.309 (.645 .OPS)

Medium leverage situations: .203/.304/.391 (.696 .OPS)

High leverage situations: .265/.371/.537 (.908 .OPS)

 

Overall, his stats (while disappointing) are still fine...especially considering the position he plays.

 

The problem is he's not getting it done when it counts. And as diehard fans, that's not what we want to see. Especially considering he's hitting 5th now.

uggla is actually getting worse. In July in 87 abs , he had a .726 OPS, .379 slg, 26 K's, 12 walks and only 8 rbi's. Terrible dan, terrible

 

 

He had a bad July, but it was definitely better than Bonifacio's pitiful month which saw him OPS at a .584 clip and Coghlan's subpar month that saw him post an OPS of .662.

 

We'll see how the rest of the season goes, but I'd wager that Uggla will finish the year stronger than Coghlan or Bonifacio.

uggla is actually getting worse. In July in 87 abs , he had a .726 OPS, .379 slg, 26 K's, 12 walks and only 8 rbi's. Terrible dan, terrible

 

 

He had a bad July, but it was definitely better than Bonifacio's pitiful month which saw him OPS at a .584 clip and Coghlan's subpar month that saw him post an OPS of .662.

 

We'll see how the rest of the season goes, but I'd wager that Uggla will finish the year stronger than Coghlan or Bonifacio.

 

i would take the wager on coghlan!

uggla is actually getting worse. In July in 87 abs , he had a .726 OPS, .379 slg, 26 K's, 12 walks and only 8 rbi's. Terrible dan, terrible

 

 

He had a bad July, but it was definitely better than Bonifacio's pitiful month which saw him OPS at a .584 clip and Coghlan's subpar month that saw him post an OPS of .662.

 

We'll see how the rest of the season goes, but I'd wager that Uggla will finish the year stronger than Coghlan or Bonifacio.

 

i would take the wager on coghlan!

 

 

Coghlan is not going to out hit Uggla.

.340 OBP at 2B with power. you stop bitching about him is what you do

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I think hes done for the year, its gone mental now. Maybe just give him a couple days off.

I have two for some of you: Mike Lowell.

 

Ballplayers have bad years. Call it regressing to the mean, call it pissing off the baseball gods, call it bad luck. The only thing that frustrates me is how utterly beautiful his practice swings are. He could hit .400 if he swung that way in the batter's box.

I have two for some of you: Mike Lowell.

 

Ballplayers have bad years. Call it regressing to the mean, call it pissing off the baseball gods, call it bad luck. The only thing that frustrates me is how utterly beautiful his practice swings are. He could hit .400 if he swung that way in the batter's box.

 

 

Yeah we are going to just have to let him hit and see if he comes out it.

I have two for some of you: Mike Lowell.

 

Ballplayers have bad years. Call it regressing to the mean, call it pissing off the baseball gods, call it bad luck. The only thing that frustrates me is how utterly beautiful his practice swings are. He could hit .400 if he swung that way in the batter's box.

 

 

For Dan Uggla, this has been a bad season so far. But in terms of the sheer magnitude of production loss, Uggla's 2009 is not comparable to the garbage that was Mike Lowell's 2005.

 

For comparative purposes, Lowell went from having an OPS of .870 in 2004 to an OPS of .658 in 2005. He was having a career year in bad. While he drew walks at about the same rate and curiously, hit doubles at about the same rate, the number of hits he got per plate appearance were way down and of course his homerun power completely fell off the board.

 

Dan Uggla on the other hand has gone from posting an .874 OPS in 2008 to posting an OPS of .761 to date. While he is getting less hits, his power hasn't taken a huge dip ala Lowell. While he isn't quite hitting homeruns at the rate he hit them last season, he is hitting homeruns at about the same pace he did in 2007 and will finish the year once again as one of the top slugging 2B in the league.

 

There are also, despite popular opinion, some encouraging signs in Uggla's development as a hitter this season. This season Uggla has continued to draw more walks per plate appearance than he has in previous seasons, a trend that is noticeable across Uggla's career in the bigs. Also he is striking out less frequently.

 

So, even if he is having a rough patch, he is the Marlin's best option and this is definitely not a Mike Lowell 2005 moment in his career.

why is he still hitting in the 5 hole? drop him down in the lineup and take some pressure off him. maybe put cody in the 5 hole "yes i know hes slumping" but hey maybe drop uggla down to 6 or 7 and take some pressure off of him and see how he does. like the cubs did with soriano

...So, even if he is having a rough patch, he is the Marlin's best option and this is definitely not a Mike Lowell 2005 moment in his career.

 

 

I didn't bother to quote the whole thing here but I enjoyed your analysis. I saw it in more direct, simpler terms, players sometimes have off years...but your illustration was excellent.

 

why is he still hitting in the 5 hole? drop him down in the lineup and take some pressure off him. maybe put cody in the 5 hole "yes i know hes slumping" but hey maybe drop uggla down to 6 or 7 and take some pressure off of him and see how he does. like the cubs did with soriano

 

 

I see it differently although who knows what the right place is for him to hit. Were it me, and it isn't thankfully I suppose, I would consider batting him higher, in fact immediately behind Hanley, reuniting them in the lineup. I have this kind of fuzzy belief that part of Dan's thing is as he's moved down the lineup (and away from his soulmate Ramirez - he's never seemed as happy as 2006 and 2007 when they where inseparable) it has manifested in him questions of self-worth that I suspected started at least professionally in the Diamondback's organization where no matter what he did he could not get noticed or be taken seriously. Moving him back to cleanup might be the tonic he needs to get his bat going again, the operative word being "might". A hunch, a suspicion, seeing interviews and them at season ticketholder affairs, they appear to have grown apart, and while David Samson (not a shot at him) can gloss over not offering him an extended contract by reminding the media he's making $5 mil+ this season, for Dan it's not the same. I think the last best chance for Dan this season is to put him in a traditional position of value, cleanup and see what happens. The worst that happens is I'm wrong and he moves down again, but Johnson, Ramirez, Uggla, Cantu looks pretty good to me and I'd give it a try.

 

Frankly I think Dan thrives on the pressure. It's just not the same no matter how many people tell you how many times that it is.

...So, even if he is having a rough patch, he is the Marlin's best option and this is definitely not a Mike Lowell 2005 moment in his career.

 

 

I didn't bother to quote the whole thing here but I enjoyed your analysis. I saw it in more direct, simpler terms, players sometimes have off years...but your illustration was excellent.

 

why is he still hitting in the 5 hole? drop him down in the lineup and take some pressure off him. maybe put cody in the 5 hole "yes i know hes slumping" but hey maybe drop uggla down to 6 or 7 and take some pressure off of him and see how he does. like the cubs did with soriano

 

 

I see it differently although who knows what the right place is for him to hit. Were it me, and it isn't thankfully I suppose, I would consider batting him higher, in fact immediately behind Hanley, reuniting them in the lineup. I have this kind of fuzzy belief that part of Dan's thing is as he's moved down the lineup (and away from his soulmate Ramirez - he's never seemed as happy as 2006 and 2007 when they where inseparable) it has manifested in him questions of self-worth that I suspected started at least professionally in the Diamondback's organization where no matter what he did he could not get noticed or be taken seriously. Moving him back to cleanup might be the tonic he needs to get his bat going again, the operative word being "might". A hunch, a suspicion, seeing interviews and them at season ticketholder affairs, they appear to have grown apart, and while David Samson (not a shot at him) can gloss over not offering him an extended contract by reminding the media he's making $5 mil+ this season, for Dan it's not the same. I think the last best chance for Dan this season is to put him in a traditional position of value, cleanup and see what happens. The worst that happens is I'm wrong and he moves down again, but Johnson, Ramirez, Uggla, Cantu looks pretty good to me and I'd give it a try.

 

Frankly I think Dan thrives on the pressure. It's just not the same no matter how many people tell you how many times that it is.

 

if dan thrives on pressure, why does he consistently fail in pressure situations?

if dan thrives on pressure, why does he consistently fail in pressure situations?

 

 

Just playing Dr. Freud I think it's a combination of his already devalued self-worth, pressing and generally not being his season. How many times have we seen him hitting the ball at someone or Joe Schmoe making a Play of the Day on a line drive, the kinds of things where if just half of them fell in like years past we wouldn't be having this discussion? But you also have to remember that baseball is a game where "failing" 2 out of three times gets you in the Hall of Fame. And the difference between a fly ball out and a homerun is about a 32ndth of an inch. I other words, who knows?

...So, even if he is having a rough patch, he is the Marlin's best option and this is definitely not a Mike Lowell 2005 moment in his career.

 

 

I didn't bother to quote the whole thing here but I enjoyed your analysis. I saw it in more direct, simpler terms, players sometimes have off years...but your illustration was excellent.

 

why is he still hitting in the 5 hole? drop him down in the lineup and take some pressure off him. maybe put cody in the 5 hole "yes i know hes slumping" but hey maybe drop uggla down to 6 or 7 and take some pressure off of him and see how he does. like the cubs did with soriano

 

 

I see it differently although who knows what the right place is for him to hit. Were it me, and it isn't thankfully I suppose, I would consider batting him higher, in fact immediately behind Hanley, reuniting them in the lineup. I have this kind of fuzzy belief that part of Dan's thing is as he's moved down the lineup (and away from his soulmate Ramirez - he's never seemed as happy as 2006 and 2007 when they where inseparable) it has manifested in him questions of self-worth that I suspected started at least professionally in the Diamondback's organization where no matter what he did he could not get noticed or be taken seriously. Moving him back to cleanup might be the tonic he needs to get his bat going again, the operative word being "might". A hunch, a suspicion, seeing interviews and them at season ticketholder affairs, they appear to have grown apart, and while David Samson (not a shot at him) can gloss over not offering him an extended contract by reminding the media he's making $5 mil+ this season, for Dan it's not the same. I think the last best chance for Dan this season is to put him in a traditional position of value, cleanup and see what happens. The worst that happens is I'm wrong and he moves down again, but Johnson, Ramirez, Uggla, Cantu looks pretty good to me and I'd give it a try.

 

Frankly I think Dan thrives on the pressure. It's just not the same no matter how many people tell you how many times that it is.

 

I think this is a very good post. And I do see the same chip on the shoulder type thing with Uggla that you do.

YOU LEAVE HIM IN TO F*CK GREGG UP!!!!!!!