I'm a Nationals fan and I just don't see what the Marlins management were thinking when they gave away Josh Willingham for Emilio Bonifacio. That trade might cost the Marlins the playoff spot. Bonifacio destroyed your team and your franchise gave away a good hitter that they were only going to spend 2.5 million on (a huge bargain). If you replaced Bonifacio's attrocious performance with Josh Willingham, you might get 3-5 extra wins.

 

 

Did you know that Josh Willingham leads all MLB outfielders in these categories:

 

OBP (.418)

Slug % (.593)

OPS (1.011)

OPS+ (163)

wOBA (.430)

 

He also leads every hitter in baseball in Road OPS (1.140)

I'm a Nationals fan and I just don't see what the Marlins management were thinking when they gave away Josh Willingham for Emilio Bonifacio. That trade might cost the Marlins the playoff spot. Bonifacio destroyed your team and your franchise gave away a good hitter that they were only going to spend 2.5 million on (a huge bargain). If you replaced Bonifacio's attrocious performance with Josh Willingham, you might get 3-5 extra wins.

 

 

Did you know that Josh Willingham leads all MLB outfielders in these categories:

 

OBP (.418)

Slug % (.593)

OPS (1.011)

OPS+ (163)

wOBA (.430)

 

He also leads every hitter in baseball in Road OPS (1.140)

 

 

 

The Marlins traded him because of his on going back problems that kept coming back.

He refused to get it surgically repaired for reasons that some consider smart because it's a very risky surgery (or so I have read).

No one ever thought that he wasn't a good ball player.

It was his health that was the worry.

Do we really need these threads about Bonifacio every week?

With Cameron Maybin looking like he was ready, Cody Ross swinging a hot bat and playing great D and so much time, money and promise invested in Hermida, there wasn't room for Hammer unfortunately. His health issues prohibbitted the tem to signing to him to any kind of deal.

 

However, the Nat's shouldn't necessarily be praised for "stealing him away" because they didn't play him regularly to start the season.

Do we really need these threads about Bonifacio every week?

 

He's a new member.

With Cameron Maybin looking like he was ready, Cody Ross swinging a hot bat and playing great D and so much time, money and promise invested in Hermida, there wasn't room for Hammer unfortunately. His health issues prohibbitted the tem to signing to him to any kind of deal.

 

However, the Nat's shouldn't necessarily be praised for "stealing him away" because they didn't play him regularly to start the season.

 

 

 

 

Josh Willingham has been a top 5 hitter this year that would have helped the Marlins make the playoffs. The Nats were certainly stupid for not playing him more especially when they named Austin Kearns as the starter ahead of him. Hermida is a failed prospect. There was more than enough room to give the hammer 500-600 PA.

I don't think the Marlins were outright embarrassed by the trade, but I do agree that it will likely pan out better for the Nationals.

 

Willingham was considered expendable. The Marlins can't always afford to keep everyone even when players don't reach free agency.

 

Willingham put together solid numbers with the club but the Marlins thought that they would survive with an outfield of Ross, Maybin, and Hermida. Unfortunately, Maybin struggled at the beginning of the season and Hermida has sorely underachieved.

 

I don't think the Nationals got away with robbery, though. Scott Olsen was also a major part of the trade. He may never even pitch again. At the very least he will be a fraction of his former self (which was never that good to begin with) as a result of the torn labrum.

 

This is in addition to the fact that it is probable that Willingham's back could go at any minute. I would have liked to have him down the stretch, though.

I'm a Nationals fan and I just don't see what the Marlins management were thinking when they gave away Josh Willingham for Emilio Bonifacio. That trade might cost the Marlins the playoff spot. Bonifacio destroyed your team and your franchise gave away a good hitter that they were only going to spend 2.5 million on (a huge bargain). If you replaced Bonifacio's attrocious performance with Josh Willingham, you might get 3-5 extra wins.

 

 

Did you know that Josh Willingham leads all MLB outfielders in these categories:

 

OBP (.418)

Slug % (.593)

OPS (1.011)

OPS+ (163)

wOBA (.430)

 

He also leads every hitter in baseball in Road OPS (1.140)

 

 

It wasn't a straight up deal.

We also acquired P.J. Dean and Jake Smolinski, and you recieved Scott Olsen (who is on the DL).

So until 2012 kicks in, you can't officially say that your FO raped ours.

Futhermore, this is marlinsbaseball.com

Just letting you know.

I don't think the Marlins were outright embarrassed by the trade, but I do agree that it will likely pan out better for the Nationals.

 

Willingham was considered expendable. The Marlins can't always afford to keep everyone even when players don't reach free agency.

 

Willingham put together solid numbers with the club but the Marlins thought that they would survive with an outfield of Ross, Maybin, and Hermida. Unfortunately, Maybin struggled at the beginning of the season and Hermida has sorely underachieved.

 

I don't think the Nationals got away with robbery, though. Scott Olsen was also a major part of the trade. He may never even pitch again. At the very least he will be a fraction of his former self (which was never that good to begin with) as a result of the torn labrum.

 

This is in addition to the fact that it is probable that Willingham's back could go at any minute. I would have liked to have him down the stretch, though.

 

 

I think PJ Dean going AWOL really hurts it from a Marlins sense. Hopefully he comes back eventually

With Cameron Maybin looking like he was ready, Cody Ross swinging a hot bat and playing great D and so much time, money and promise invested in Hermida, there wasn't room for Hammer unfortunately. His health issues prohibbitted the tem to signing to him to any kind of deal.

 

However, the Nat's shouldn't necessarily be praised for "stealing him away" because they didn't play him regularly to start the season.

 

 

 

 

Josh Willingham has been a top 5 hitter this year that would have helped the Marlins make the playoffs. The Nats were certainly stupid for not playing him more especially when they named Austin Kearns as the starter ahead of him. Hermida is a failed prospect. There was more than enough room to give the hammer 500-600 PA.

 

See, it's called risk management.

 

If his back problems flair up again this year---your left in the lurch. You gave up a Prospect in Josh Smolinski, and Emilio Bonifastio.

 

Not to mention, back problems have ended numerous careers.

This guy was as good as willingham is playing right now his entire career, with stellar defense at the hot corner.

http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/article/2009-05-19/back-injury-could-end-career-as-chavez

This guy was once a can't miss prospect who the marlins kept over Adrian Gonzalez in 2003

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Stokes

 

Willingham is no stud like those two are and are supposed to be, but he is a good ball player with a bad back. Gettign something for someone who can retire next week is a bargain.

 

Enjoy Scott Olsens season too---

pau gasol for kawme brown is rape

I love how people always forget about Olsen, Smolinski, and Dean, and also forget why the Marlins made the trade in the first place.

I love how people always forget about Olsen, Smolinski, and Dean, and also forget why the Marlins made the trade in the first place.

 

 

They made it for money reasons. Smolinski is not great of a prospect. Willingham's worth this season was more considering he would have a shot to send you to the playoffs. Bonifacio is so bad that this made the trade a win for the Nationals.

Hammer is one of the nicest Fish that I have ever met. I wish him all the luck in the world no matter where he plays.

I love how people always forget about Olsen, Smolinski, and Dean, and also forget why the Marlins made the trade in the first place.

 

 

They made it for money reasons. Smolinski is not great of a prospect. Willingham's worth this season was more considering he would have a shot to send you to the playoffs. Bonifacio is so bad that this made the trade a win for the Nationals.

 

 

No, it wasn't entirely for money reasons. That was the majority of it, but the Marlins knew that they probably wouldn't have received much more for a back of the rotation starter and a mid-800 OPS outfielder who plays below average defense and who has dealt with back problems which benched him for the majority of last season.

 

And once again, you cant call the trade a win for the Nationals, especially when Smolinski has not even reached the majors yet.

I'm a Nationals fan and I just don't see what the Marlins management were thinking when they gave away Josh Willingham for Emilio Bonifacio. That trade might cost the Marlins the playoff spot. Bonifacio destroyed your team and your franchise gave away a good hitter that they were only going to spend 2.5 million on (a huge bargain). If you replaced Bonifacio's attrocious performance with Josh Willingham, you might get 3-5 extra wins.

 

 

Did you know that Josh Willingham leads all MLB outfielders in these categories:

 

OBP (.418)

Slug % (.593)

OPS (1.011)

OPS+ (163)

wOBA (.430)

 

He also leads every hitter in baseball in Road OPS (1.140)

 

Yeah it's no secret that the Marlins got the short end of both deals they did with the Nationals! It's like they didn't care about at least getting even value I mean look at the numbers Willingham has up this year! How would a .304 avg with 17HR's & 42Rbis bat fit into the line up right now for the Marlins? It's exactly what we needed when we got Nick Johnson who's a professional hitter which means he's just an avarage player who gets on base some but is nowhere near star level.

 

Willingham is putting up excellent numbers, and with each game keeps making the trade of him for Bonifacio, and his whoppin .248 with 1hr and 28rbis oh, and by the way! Willingham has a much better glove 4 erros while in the OF/1b compared to Bonerface and his 15errors while at 3rd/ss/of so the bottom line is the marlins made a horrific trade sending a starting pitcher, and a power hitting OF for a guy who simply will never be a major league ball player.

 

This trade could go down as bad a move as the Cabrera move! We already all have come to the conclusion that Bonifacio stinks as a ball player the jury is still out on all the guys in the Cabrera trade but that was a stinker also.

 

Miller has done nothing but get hurt, and rocked everytime he pitches, the hopper has been decent at times out of the pen but is not a starter, and has sucked every time he's started a game, and now is hurt, and Maybin... Well Maybin was horrific during his month here but he's done well in the minors.

 

Let's hope he doesnt become one of these guys who are awesome in the minors but they can't ever make it in the majors, and make that transition.

 

As for the rest in that trade anyone seen them at all??? Rebelo, and the rest of the no names?

Either way both trades, and the trade of a top prospect like Thompson for a guy who is not the one who could help us in Nick Johnson who doesn't answer any single one of the holes on this club right now shows me that Admin Beinfest for all the credit he gets is a horrible GM when it comes to making trades... He simply is no good at trading ball players.

 

With Cameron Maybin looking like he was ready, Cody Ross swinging a hot bat and playing great D and so much time, money and promise invested in Hermida, there wasn't room for Hammer unfortunately. His health issues prohibbitted the tem to signing to him to any kind of deal.

 

However, the Nat's shouldn't necessarily be praised for "stealing him away" because they didn't play him regularly to start the season.

 

 

Because they didn't know how healthy he was, and once he proved he was healthy look at his numbers... He should still be in teal. Bad trade regardless I mean it's not like he's got a 30million dollar contract from the Nationals lol We could have afforded him.

The front office is just extreamly cheap, and stupid when it comes to trades.

 

 

 

Josh Willingham has been a top 5 hitter this year that would have helped the Marlins make the playoffs. The Nats were certainly stupid for not playing him more especially when they named Austin Kearns as the starter ahead of him. Hermida is a failed prospect. There was more than enough room to give the hammer 500-600 PA.

 

Yep I agree 100%

 

 

I don't think the Marlins were outright embarrassed by the trade, but I do agree that it will likely pan out better for the Nationals.

 

Willingham was considered expendable. The Marlins can't always afford to keep everyone even when players don't reach free agency.

 

Willingham put together solid numbers with the club but the Marlins thought that they would survive with an outfield of Ross, Maybin, and Hermida. Unfortunately, Maybin struggled at the beginning of the season and Hermida has sorely underachieved.

 

I don't think the Nationals got away with robbery, though. Scott Olsen was also a major part of the trade. He may never even pitch again. At the very least he will be a fraction of his former self (which was never that good to begin with) as a result of the torn labrum.

 

This is in addition to the fact that it is probable that Willingham's back could go at any minute. I would have liked to have him down the stretch, though.

 

Yea well since he was traded the Marlins have spent all year looking to replace his bat in the line up so he wasn't so expendable afterall... And Maybin is not the answer I guarantee that when he comes back up he will slump again.

He isn't a major league ball player... You can tell by looking at some young guys who's got it, and who does not, and who's all hype! And Maybin is all hype.

I love how everyone mentions the mistakes...what about the great moves this front office has made?

lol yea Another K for Bonifacio showing us why he sucks, and just how bad this trade was... Way to prove us right Emilio!

I love how everyone mentions the mistakes...what about the great moves this front office has made?

 

 

lol seriously? What good trades has this front office ever made? I mean should we go down the list of good players we have traded away, and got back either garbage or a player who was below avarage at best?

 

I mean let's not open this can of worms please lol let's not totally make the front office look like a total joke... They do that on their own with each move.

 

Wait til Thompson is in the majors as a starter for the Nats, an Nick Johnson is starting for another team, and once again we look bad with our face in the mud.

I love how everyone mentions the mistakes...what about the great moves this front office has made?

 

 

lol seriously? What good trades has this front office ever made? I mean should we go down the list of good players we have traded away, and got back either garbage or a player who was below avarage at best?

 

I mean let's not open this can of worms please lol let's not totally make the front office look like a total joke... They do that on their own with each move.

 

Wait til Thompson is in the majors as a starter for the Nats, an Nick Johnson is starting for another team, and once again we look bad with our face in the mud.

 

 

Is this a serious post?

I love how everyone mentions the mistakes...what about the great moves this front office has made?

 

 

lol seriously? What good trades has this front office ever made? I mean should we go down the list of good players we have traded away, and got back either garbage or a player who was below avarage at best?

 

I mean let's not open this can of worms please lol let's not totally make the front office look like a total joke... They do that on their own with each move.

 

Wait til Thompson is in the majors as a starter for the Nats, an Nick Johnson is starting for another team, and once again we look bad with our face in the mud.

 

I was going to highlight one part of this post and criticize, but then I read the rest of the post, and I came to one simple conclusion as to what to post...

Compare all the teams trades since Loria/Sampson/Beinfest been in power, and look at which have worked for us, and which have not... Most have not.

 

The only trade which worked for both teams (more for Boston since they won a world series) was the Hanley trade.

 

Other then that I dare you to find a good trade that Admin has pulled off that we actually got solid major leaguers in return or players who got good enought o Merritt the trade being good for us more then the other team.

 

Don't hate on me for being critical of the front office it's just facts...

Compare all the teams trades since Loria/Sampson/Beinfest been in power, and look at which have worked for us, and which have not... Most have not.

 

The only trade which worked for both teams (more for Boston since they won a world series) was the Hanley trade.

 

Other then that I dare you to find a good trade that Admin has pulled off that we actually got solid major leaguers in return or players who got good enought o Merritt the trade being good for us more then the other team.

 

Don't hate on me for being critical of the front office it's just facts...

 

 

 

We got Pinto, Nolasco, Mitre for Pierre. I'd call that a win imo. Just naming one of the many good signings and trades under Beinfest and Co.

I love how everyone mentions the mistakes...what about the great moves this front office has made?

 

 

lol seriously? What good trades has this front office ever made? I mean should we go down the list of good players we have traded away, and got back either garbage or a player who was below avarage at best?

 

I mean let's not open this can of worms please lol let's not totally make the front office look like a total joke... They do that on their own with each move.

 

Wait til Thompson is in the majors as a starter for the Nats, an Nick Johnson is starting for another team, and once again we look bad with our face in the mud.

 

I was going to highlight one part of this post and criticize, but then I read the rest of the post, and I came to one simple conclusion as to what to post...

 

 

 

That picture says it all.

 

Seriously---your foolish to think the marlins have never made a great trade. Stokes for Baker? Gonzalez for a WS. Beckett and a Expensive unachieving Lowell for Han-ram and Anibal?

 

Even the Miggy trade was a coup because no one thought we could resign him, and no one should have given us Miller and Maybin. They should have said lose him for draft picks or lose him for this one stud. Willis was a throw-in because of his ineffectiveness at times and streaky years.

 

Your a fool. but that goes without saying.

I love how everyone mentions the mistakes...what about the great moves this front office has made?

 

 

lol seriously? What good trades has this front office ever made? I mean should we go down the list of good players we have traded away, and got back either garbage or a player who was below avarage at best?

Are you even a Marlins fan? How long have you been a Marlins fan? You seem obtuse to the club's history, or even its current players.

We don't trade away good players. Rather we trade away the contractual rights to good players. To say otherwise is to suggest that the players could have been retained or re-signed. In most cases, they couldn't. Such is life under Wayne Huizenga's lease.

Overall, the front office has been effective in leveraging these contractual obligations to return a steady stream of average players, prospect busts and future superstars to complement the team to be continuously competitive.