August 6, 200916 yr Pen guys who pitched or warmed up today: Tim Wood Brian Sanches Luis Ayala Brendan Donnelly Renyel Pinto(was warming up in the 8th) Pen guys who didn't move: Matt Lindstrom Kiko Calero Dan Meyer Leo Nunez Yeah, no managing at fault here! Lindstrom, Calero, Meyer, and Nunez now are ready when needed to go at any time in the Phillies series. We need as many guys rested as possibly for when West pitches in the 2nd game of the series, where he may not last long. I'm sorry, but when you're in a playoff race and it's a 1-run game in the 7th inning, sending out the bullpen rejects is completely daft. When your starting pitcher only goes a little over 4 innings and can't keep control of a 6-0 and 8-3 lead, you are forced to scrap together a bullpen. That should've been a game where we shouldn't have even needed to worry about the bullpen, our starting pitcher put us in a terrible spot, not the manager.
August 6, 200916 yr Pen guys who pitched or warmed up today: Tim Wood Brian Sanches Luis Ayala Brendan Donnelly Renyel Pinto(was warming up in the 8th) Pen guys who didn't move: Matt Lindstrom Kiko Calero Dan Meyer Leo Nunez Yeah, no managing at fault here! Lindstrom, Calero, Meyer, and Nunez now are ready when needed to go at any time in the Phillies series. We need as many guys rested as possibly for when West pitches in the 2nd game of the series, where he may not last long. I'm sorry, but when you're in a playoff race and it's a 1-run game in the 7th inning, sending out the bullpen rejects is completely daft. When your starting pitcher only goes a little over 4 innings and can't keep control of a 6-0 and 8-3 lead, you are forced to scrap together a bullpen. That should've been a game where we shouldn't have even needed to worry about the bullpen, our starting pitcher put us in a terrible spot, not the manager. "Scrapping together a bullpen" doesn't mean you throw out guys like Ayala who have a .556 .600 1.056 1.656 line against in high leverage situations for two innings.
August 6, 200916 yr Pen guys who pitched or warmed up today: Tim Wood Brian Sanches Luis Ayala Brendan Donnelly Renyel Pinto(was warming up in the 8th) Pen guys who didn't move: Matt Lindstrom Kiko Calero Dan Meyer Leo Nunez Yeah, no managing at fault here! Lindstrom, Calero, Meyer, and Nunez now are ready when needed to go at any time in the Phillies series. We need as many guys rested as possibly for when West pitches in the 2nd game of the series, where he may not last long. When you're in the race trying to avoid a sweep, you can't save all of your best relievers. absolutely unbelieveable. the entire team suck it up and blows a 6 run lead and its the managers fault of course. absolutely ridiculous hate The entire team? Did our hitter's not score 8 runs? Was it the good bullpen guys that blew the lead in the 7th inning? No, it was the sh*tty guys. If the good pitchers were the ones that blew the game, then you say "well, we just got beat". But when it's the bullpen rejects, you gotta blame the guys who put them out there at that point.
August 6, 200916 yr ill post what i posted a couple of days ago It really is obvious this fo has no interest in winning. They got nick for free just to make the fans not get on them. It's obvious saving money 4 years from now is more important then winning and getting a 5th starter and it shows. A team with an interest in winning fires there awful hitting coach to spark the team. A team that is interested in winning doesn't keep their cf in the minors, and a team who wants to win goes out and gets a fifth starter. This team is going nowhere until all of these things happen What will it take for you to understand that we can't call Maybin up yet? Also, getting Nick Johnson wasn't a move to appease fans. Wasn't everybody lauding Nick when we got him. We needed him and it wasn't just a move for move's sake. Yes, we also needed a 5th starter, but that wasn't the only thing we needed and we filled a hole by getting NJ. Saying we got Nick just to avoid fan backlash is insulting to fans and the FO, because it makes it seem like we, the fans, view trades as shiny objects and don't glance at them more than surface deep and that the FO thought so poorly of NJ that they got him just cause. And Maybin ain't going to be the difference maker. I doubt he would have won us the last 3 games. That being said, I have posted that I feel we need a veteran back of the rotation guy that is consistent to combat the inconsistency of Volstad, early season Ricky, and whoever will be the 4th/5th guy. Now, I didn't see the game today, but it seems like the Nats bullpen from earlier in the season time traveled to now and dressed as our pen. Seriously, what's Fredi to do when his reliable arms aren't being that reliable and he has to call up guys like Ayala to pitch in tight games? What does that even mean? Anyone knows (looking at a split stat) that the guy that had to be used in that inning (HE WAS IN THE PEN SITTING DOWN...HADN'T BEEN USED) was Dan Meyer. Kiko Calero would've been a better option, as well. Not Luis "I can't get a lefty out" Ayala. That was ridiculous "managing"...don't know who it was...whether it was Tosca's call, or whether it was part of Fredi's gameplan, today. Either way, horrible. Yeah, some of the blame has to go to the players...Volstad didn't pitch well, and we missed some opportunities to score (although, 8 runs should be enough to win a ballgame, as much as the offense is getting criticized today). But the manager and his coaches deserve blame too. Didn't Dan Meyer give up the homerun to Dunn on Tuesday? Weren't some of us ragging on Fredi for that decision? And Dunn was coming up again that inning. Now, I am for giving pitchers a second chance, but it wasn't like Meyer had been lights out against the Nats recently. Same with Kiko. It would be a lot different if this was the first game of the series, where the Nats hadn't seen our relievers already and our relievers, even the ones with good stats, were getting hammered. That's why I said, who do you turn to, cause you got good pitchers like Meyer and Kiko not fooling anybody and Ayala, who hasn't fooled anybody, but at least hadn't been scored upon by the Nats in this series. It is the devil you know (Kiko, Meyer with their recent "meh" performances against the Nats) versus the devil you don't (Ayala who is poor, but has had more success in the series up until that point).
August 6, 200916 yr Pen guys who pitched or warmed up today: Tim Wood Brian Sanches Luis Ayala Brendan Donnelly Renyel Pinto(was warming up in the 8th) Pen guys who didn't move: Matt Lindstrom Kiko Calero Dan Meyer Leo Nunez Yeah, no managing at fault here! Lindstrom, Calero, Meyer, and Nunez now are ready when needed to go at any time in the Phillies series. We need as many guys rested as possibly for when West pitches in the 2nd game of the series, where he may not last long. I'm sorry, but when you're in a playoff race and it's a 1-run game in the 7th inning, sending out the bullpen rejects is completely daft. When your starting pitcher only goes a little over 4 innings and can't keep control of a 6-0 and 8-3 lead, you are forced to scrap together a bullpen. That should've been a game where we shouldn't have even needed to worry about the bullpen, our starting pitcher put us in a terrible spot, not the manager. I'm not even talking about the 5th inning when our starter went down. I'm talking about the late innings, when the game was close, and we kept "scrapping together a bullpen" even though, if it was a close game when our starter went 6 innings, our real pen guys would have been out there anyways. Just because our starter went 4.1 doesn't mean it's ok to throw the sh*tty guys out there in the late innings when our 7-8-9 relievers are ready.
August 6, 200916 yr ok, let's look at the other guys Rab mentioned. Dan Meyer is better against righty's than lefty's. Same is said about Calero and Nunez. The only player that makes sense to use in that situation is Matt Lindstrom, and he has had his fair share of troubles.
August 6, 200916 yr Pen guys who pitched or warmed up today: Tim Wood Brian Sanches Luis Ayala Brendan Donnelly Renyel Pinto(was warming up in the 8th) Pen guys who didn't move: Matt Lindstrom Kiko Calero Dan Meyer Leo Nunez Yeah, no managing at fault here! Lindstrom, Calero, Meyer, and Nunez now are ready when needed to go at any time in the Phillies series. We need as many guys rested as possibly for when West pitches in the 2nd game of the series, where he may not last long. When you're in the race trying to avoid a sweep, you can't save all of your best relievers. absolutely unbelieveable. the entire team suck it up and blows a 6 run lead and its the managers fault of course. absolutely ridiculous hate The entire team? Did our hitter's not score 8 runs? Was it the good bullpen guys that blew the lead in the 7th inning? No, it was the sh*tty guys. If the good pitchers were the ones that blew the game, then you say "well, we just got beat". But when it's the bullpen rejects, you gotta blame the guys who put them out there at that point. yes the entire team. i dont care if they scored 8 runs, they dont hit when it matters. the hitters cant hit with risp and do the little things that good team do to win. the sh*tty guys? if by sh*tty guys you mean a guy with a 0.00 era, a guy with a .9 era, a guy who has been solid besides one outing, and a guy with a .75 era, sure the sh*tty guys. fact is the guys didnt get the job done, not the manager. plus, calero and meyer have been pretty shaky lately.
August 6, 200916 yr yes it does make sense. if it is that much money, then maybin has become a terrific player and it is worth the couple million $ to call him up. and it is pretty obvious that as a whole he would be better then hermida hermida does one thing and one thing only- hit rhp at an average rate. besides that he is terrible against leftys and terrible in the field. not hard to replace a below average platoon player. like i said, he should just be a platooning dh in the al You don't get it. The point in keeping him down there is to save money. It's not a matter of whether he will be worth it in the future, which, by the way, you don't even know if he will. And you still fail to tell me how Maybin will be a better player than Hermida, besides saying "it's obvious".
August 6, 200916 yr yes the entire team. i dont care if they scored 8 runs, they dont hit when it matters. the hitters cant hit with risp and do the little things that good team do to win. the sh*tty guys? if by sh*tty guys you mean a guy with a 0.00 era, a guy with a .9 era, a guy who has been solid besides one outing, and a guy with a .75 era, sure the sh*tty guys. fact is the guys didnt get the job done, not the manager. plus, calero and meyer have been pretty shaky lately. Oh yeah, I forgot, Tim Wood is awesome! Come on, sample size sir. And who are the other guys? Brian Sanches who has been tossed off like 9 other teams, has been Brendan Donnelly who we took from Houston's AAA, and Luis Ayala who was kicked out of Minnesota. Real winners.
August 6, 200916 yr ok, let's look at the other guys Rab mentioned. Dan Meyer is better against righty's than lefty's. Same is said about Calero and Nunez. The only player that makes sense to use in that situation is Matt Lindstrom, and he has had his fair share of troubles. Kiko and Meyer are both fantastic two way relievers.
August 6, 200916 yr Author ill post what i posted a couple of days ago It really is obvious this fo has no interest in winning. They got nick for free just to make the fans not get on them. It's obvious saving money 4 years from now is more important then winning and getting a 5th starter and it shows. A team with an interest in winning fires there awful hitting coach to spark the team. A team that is interested in winning doesn't keep their cf in the minors, and a team who wants to win goes out and gets a fifth starter. This team is going nowhere until all of these things happen What will it take for you to understand that we can't call Maybin up yet? Also, getting Nick Johnson wasn't a move to appease fans. Wasn't everybody lauding Nick when we got him. We needed him and it wasn't just a move for move's sake. Yes, we also needed a 5th starter, but that wasn't the only thing we needed and we filled a hole by getting NJ. Saying we got Nick just to avoid fan backlash is insulting to fans and the FO, because it makes it seem like we, the fans, view trades as shiny objects and don't glance at them more than surface deep and that the FO thought so poorly of NJ that they got him just cause. And Maybin ain't going to be the difference maker. I doubt he would have won us the last 3 games. That being said, I have posted that I feel we need a veteran back of the rotation guy that is consistent to combat the inconsistency of Volstad, early season Ricky, and whoever will be the 4th/5th guy. Now, I didn't see the game today, but it seems like the Nats bullpen from earlier in the season time traveled to now and dressed as our pen. Seriously, what's Fredi to do when his reliable arms aren't being that reliable and he has to call up guys like Ayala to pitch in tight games? What does that even mean? Anyone knows (looking at a split stat) that the guy that had to be used in that inning (HE WAS IN THE PEN SITTING DOWN...HADN'T BEEN USED) was Dan Meyer. Kiko Calero would've been a better option, as well. Not Luis "I can't get a lefty out" Ayala. That was ridiculous "managing"...don't know who it was...whether it was Tosca's call, or whether it was part of Fredi's gameplan, today. Either way, horrible. Yeah, some of the blame has to go to the players...Volstad didn't pitch well, and we missed some opportunities to score (although, 8 runs should be enough to win a ballgame, as much as the offense is getting criticized today). But the manager and his coaches deserve blame too. Didn't Dan Meyer give up the homerun to Dunn on Tuesday? Weren't some of us ragging on Fredi for that decision? And Dunn was coming up again that inning. Now, I am for giving pitchers a second chance, but it wasn't like Meyer had been lights out against the Nats recently. Same with Kiko. It would be a lot different if this was the first game of the series, where the Nats hadn't seen our relievers already and our relievers, even the ones with good stats, were getting hammered. That's why I said, who do you turn to, cause you got good pitchers like Meyer and Kiko not fooling anybody and Ayala, who hasn't fooled anybody, but at least hadn't been scored upon by the Nats in this series. It is the devil you know (Kiko, Meyer with their recent "meh" performances against the Nats) versus the devil you don't (Ayala who is poor, but has had more success in the series up until that point). Lol...1 bad game (better yet, 1 bad pitch) is your argument. How about checking a larger sample...like the season? This isn't the "devil" anything. It was a winnable game, and our best relievers weren't used...weren't even warming up, at one point. They were available, too.
August 6, 200916 yr ok, let's look at the other guys Rab mentioned. Dan Meyer is better against righty's than lefty's. Same is said about Calero and Nunez. The only player that makes sense to use in that situation is Matt Lindstrom, and he has had his fair share of troubles. Ayala's been horrible though. Yes, Meyer has been better again RHB, but that's because he's been incredible against RHB. LHB are still only hitting .232 /.312/.406 off him.
August 6, 200916 yr Author ok, let's look at the other guys Rab mentioned. Dan Meyer is better against righty's than lefty's. Same is said about Calero and Nunez. The only player that makes sense to use in that situation is Matt Lindstrom, and he has had his fair share of troubles. This made no sense.
August 6, 200916 yr ok, let's look at the other guys Rab mentioned. Dan Meyer is better against righty's than lefty's. Same is said about Calero and Nunez. The only player that makes sense to use in that situation is Matt Lindstrom, and he has had his fair share of troubles. Kiko and Meyer are both fantastic two way relievers. Both Meyer and Calero were used yesterday and each gave up a run in 0.1 innings. I'm just saying Tosca probably thought it was best for them to regroup and get ready for the Phillies series.
August 6, 200916 yr Pen guys who pitched or warmed up today: Tim Wood Brian Sanches Luis Ayala Brendan Donnelly Renyel Pinto(was warming up in the 8th) Pen guys who didn't move: Matt Lindstrom Kiko Calero Dan Meyer Leo Nunez That about says it all. I mean yes the players are to blame, but you've got to put your best options in at the most opportune times. You don't give the ball to Ayala in the 8th inning of a tie game when you have those 4 available. W. T. F.
August 6, 200916 yr ok, let's look at the other guys Rab mentioned. Dan Meyer is better against righty's than lefty's. Same is said about Calero and Nunez. The only player that makes sense to use in that situation is Matt Lindstrom, and he has had his fair share of troubles. Kiko and Meyer are both fantastic two way relievers. Both Meyer and Calero were used yesterday and each gave up a run in 0.1 innings. I'm just saying Tosca probably thought it was best for them to regroup and get ready for the Phillies series. So you'd rather pretty much throw a game because they gave up runs last night when they were used completely wrong once again for a change?
August 6, 200916 yr yes the entire team. i dont care if they scored 8 runs, they dont hit when it matters. the hitters cant hit with risp and do the little things that good team do to win. the sh*tty guys? if by sh*tty guys you mean a guy with a 0.00 era, a guy with a .9 era, a guy who has been solid besides one outing, and a guy with a .75 era, sure the sh*tty guys. fact is the guys didnt get the job done, not the manager. plus, calero and meyer have been pretty shaky lately. Oh yeah, I forgot, Tim Wood is awesome! Come on, sample size sir. And who are the other guys? Brian Sanches who has been tossed off like 9 other teams, has been Brendan Donnelly who we took from Houston's AAA, and Luis Ayala who was kicked out of Minnesota. Real winners. who cares where they have been? tim wood has been good when he has been up here and great in aaa. and who cares if he has been tossed off of 9 other teams? what relevence does that have, he has been fantastic for us. same with donnely. ayala hasnt been good but i really dont mind him pitching that inning. and calero and meyer have been just as relevent as those guys the past couple of years, does that mean anything??
August 6, 200916 yr ok, let's look at the other guys Rab mentioned. Dan Meyer is better against righty's than lefty's. Same is said about Calero and Nunez. The only player that makes sense to use in that situation is Matt Lindstrom, and he has had his fair share of troubles. Kiko and Meyer are both fantastic two way relievers. Both Meyer and Calero were used yesterday and each gave up a run in 0.1 innings. I'm just saying Tosca probably thought it was best for them to regroup and get ready for the Phillies series. So you'd rather pretty much throw a game because they gave up runs last night when they were used completely wrong once again for a change? how the f*** is it throwing a game? jesus christ, its not like they were throwing nate f***ing bump
August 6, 200916 yr how the f*** is it throwing a game? jesus christ, its not like they were throwing nate f***ing bump Nate Bump career in high leverage situations: .294 .371 .431 .802 Luis Ayala career in high leverage situations: .313 .366 .470 .836 :whistle
August 6, 200916 yr A terrible series, sure. It was painful to watch through and through. But you guys are overreacting. The season isn't over yet. We just need to beat the Phillies and get on another hot streak to put this behind us.
August 6, 200916 yr yes the entire team. i dont care if they scored 8 runs, they dont hit when it matters. the hitters cant hit with risp and do the little things that good team do to win. the sh*tty guys? if by sh*tty guys you mean a guy with a 0.00 era, a guy with a .9 era, a guy who has been solid besides one outing, and a guy with a .75 era, sure the sh*tty guys. fact is the guys didnt get the job done, not the manager. plus, calero and meyer have been pretty shaky lately. Oh yeah, I forgot, Tim Wood is awesome! Come on, sample size sir. And who are the other guys? Brian Sanches who has been tossed off like 9 other teams, has been Brendan Donnelly who we took from Houston's AAA, and Luis Ayala who was kicked out of Minnesota. Real winners. who cares where they have been? tim wood has been good when he has been up here and great in aaa. and who cares if he has been tossed off of 9 other teams? what relevence does that have, he has been fantastic for us. same with donnely. ayala hasnt been good but i really dont mind him pitching that inning. and calero and meyer have been just as relevent as those guys the past couple of years, does that mean anything?? Kiko Calero has pitched in a WS and has a career 3.36 ERA. Dan Meyer is in his first full year in the bigs, has a 2.21 ERA in 40.2 IP. Tim Wood is in his first year of AAA at age 26 and has a MiLB career 4.61 ERA. It's not exactly an even comparison.
August 6, 200916 yr Lol...1 bad game (better yet, 1 bad pitch) is your argument. How about checking a larger sample...like the season? This isn't the "devil" anything. It was a winnable game, and our best relievers weren't used...weren't even warming up, at one point. They were available, too. I didn't say that Ayala was better than them overall, I didn't say that I wasn't taking a small sample size. However, our bullpen was hit hard on Tuesday, including Meyer and Kiko, one bad pitch or not. People were still complaining about Meyer and Kiko after that game. Meanwhile, Ayala, pitched a scoreless, hitless inning the day before. If we want to "ride the hot hand" in terms of our offense, why can't you do the same for bullpen pitchers? Nunez would have been better than any of those three options, as he hadn't pitched yet in the series. But Ayala did strike out Gonzalez when he was called upon, so it wasn't like Ayala immediately stunk up the joint. Maybe he should have been given the hook sooner, but for a while it seemed like he had the Nats number, even if it was only for four outs (four recent outs, but don't we have a "what have you done for me lately" mindset?)
August 6, 200916 yr Look, in the late innings 1 run game, you throw the best guys you can. That's what you do? Why is it so difficult to understand why some of us are angry with Tosca and Fredi for not doing that. It's understandable, when we were still up, we threw out Tim Wood and Brian Sanches, but when the game became close at the end, throwing up Luis Ayala and Brenden Donnelly instead of the best guys we had? That's just stupid.
August 6, 200916 yr yes the entire team. i dont care if they scored 8 runs, they dont hit when it matters. the hitters cant hit with risp and do the little things that good team do to win. the sh*tty guys? if by sh*tty guys you mean a guy with a 0.00 era, a guy with a .9 era, a guy who has been solid besides one outing, and a guy with a .75 era, sure the sh*tty guys. fact is the guys didnt get the job done, not the manager. plus, calero and meyer have been pretty shaky lately. Oh yeah, I forgot, Tim Wood is awesome! Come on, sample size sir. And who are the other guys? Brian Sanches who has been tossed off like 9 other teams, has been Brendan Donnelly who we took from Houston's AAA, and Luis Ayala who was kicked out of Minnesota. Real winners. who cares where they have been? tim wood has been good when he has been up here and great in aaa. and who cares if he has been tossed off of 9 other teams? what relevence does that have, he has been fantastic for us. same with donnely. ayala hasnt been good but i really dont mind him pitching that inning. and calero and meyer have been just as relevent as those guys the past couple of years, does that mean anything?? Kiko Calero has pitched in a WS and has a career 3.36 ERA. Dan Meyer is in his first full year in the bigs, has a 2.21 ERA in 40.2 IP. Tim Wood is in his first year of AAA at age 26 and has a MiLB career 4.61 ERA. It's not exactly an even comparison. ok, congrats. that was a surgery ago. point is that these guys arent dave davidson or someone like that. wood has been great everywhere he's pitched this year and wasn't a bad decision to get 2 outs in the 5th inning. and this is meyers first full year because he's been awful whenever hes had a chance to pitch in the big leagues before. most rp's first full years are good because if they aren't they are sent down.
August 6, 200916 yr Look, in the late innings 1 run game, you throw the best guys you can. That's what you do? Why is it so difficult to understand why some of us are angry with Tosca and Fredi for not doing that. It's understandable, when we were still up, we threw out Tim Wood and Brian Sanches, but when the game became close at the end, throwing up Luis Ayala and Brenden Donnelly instead of the best guys we had? That's just stupid. what is wrong with brenden donnelly? and i agree with the ayala point, but he has to get the job done, and guys like leo nunez and calero have been pretty shaky lately. game shouldnt have gotten to tha t point in the first place if we had any kind of hitting with risp.
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