Posted August 12, 200915 yr I noticed a list of Marlins prospects that rated Coghlan ninth after last season with just a C or C- rating. I wonder how that would be adjusted now? A Chris Coghlan at positions 2-9 would not be a bad lineup. And I think he could play them all well. Among other prospects, Stanton (ranked just fourth in the system after last year and labeled high ceiling/high risk) homered last night. Gabby hit two for New Orleans. Morrison and Dominguez are both at Jacksonville with Stanton now, with neither doing a whole lot and Dominguez doing nothing. Maybin has been out of the lineup for well over a week at AAA.
August 12, 200915 yr Highly rated prospect or not, Coghlin knows what the hell he's doing at the plate. He is a very smart player. You can tell that the league made some adjustments against him and he responded with his own adjustments. Great player. Logan Morrison is doing pretty well in AA... his OPS is .909. His slugging is solid (.472) and his OBP is very good (.437). I'd like to see him hitting over .300, but he's doing well anyhow. The fact that Dominguez is already at AA is pretty impressive. He is only 19. Stanton is going to be a monster. Is Maybin injured?
August 12, 200915 yr Can you imagine our line-up in 2012? Hanley. Stanton. Morrison. Maybin. Domingeuz. Coghlan. Siiiiiiiiiiiick.
August 12, 200915 yr Is Maybin injured? Yes, sore back. And who the hell rated Coghlan C or C-? He was rated B- basically everywhere, and he has lived up to that rating. Hasn't surpassed it nor been under it. and Morrison is in fact "doing a whole lot"
August 12, 200915 yr Dude Coughlan has hit over .300 at almost everywhere he has played his minus was in the power dept and defense, with that said he could hit with his eyes closed. Morrison is having an uber season at Jacksonville considering he missed about 2 months with an injury and was slow recuperating from it causing the lower avg. This is a case where stats don't tell the real story. Morrison is ready to hit major league pitching right now. Morrisson has just been amazing
August 12, 200915 yr Dominguez also crushed the ball over the last 2 months, earning the promotion to AA as a 19-year-old. Not to mention he still projects to play great defense at 3B.
August 12, 200915 yr BTW Dominguez by all accounts is playing very well at Jacksonville, His adjustment to Double A has been much smoother than Stanton's for sure
August 12, 200915 yr I'm not sure where you found Coghlan as a C (not that I am disputing, just saying). I'm looking back through BA, Future Fish, Rotoworld, BP, etc. Just can't find it. Sickels had him at a B-. I found an old post from NNY where he gave Coghlan a B, and I followed up with a B as well. I had Coghlan as our 5th rated prospect entering the year (and this was last November), behind Maybin, Stanton, Morrison, and Dominguez. I opted for him, and still do, above the West, Gaby, Tucker, etc group because of his 2B potential. At minimum, you had to have him at least a B because of his BB/K rates and safeness of prospect. Now, and echoing what nny alluded to above, I'd still give Coghlan a B. He's been as advertised. You can't go up because there is no slugging potential longterm, or he's not going to be an amazing +20 fielder, to really become a dominant player. Even a best case comp, like .310/.375/.450, is a .825 OPSing player, and that's real good, but not star level like what a Maybin, Stanton, Morrison, or Dominguez could do. Coghlan looks like a .280/.360/.400-425 player to me, which is very solid. I'd have said the same basic thing before the year. If Coghlan does not end up at a 2B, I would lower his rating. He could be average/above average offensively at 2B, but he doesn't have the hitting potential longterm for a corner OF slot. If I had to, quickly, redo the rankings 1. Stanton A+ 2. Morrison A+ 3. Dominguez A 4. James B < - On reputation as first rounder alone 5. Skipworth B < - Same as above, because we really don't have any sure things 6. Smolinski B 7. G. Sanchez B 8. Tucker B 9. Sanabia C+ 10. Kaminska C+ 11. Hand C 12. Cousins C 13. Winters C 14. B. Petersen C 15. Berglund C Non-Qualifying first year players Maybin A Volstad B+ Coghlan B West B Baker B Vanden Hurk C+ Leroux C+ Wood C+ Carroll C Bonifacio C-
August 13, 200915 yr Don't worry MarlinsLou. Spike is just pissed that we didn't draft Shelby Miller. I mean who wouldn't want an overrated expensive draft pick like Miller?
August 13, 200915 yr I am kind of hoping he doesnt. Yea cool. Let's not sign our first round pick. We would get two next year, makes up for a guy who was a big reach at #18. And Dim, you should probably not mention Shelby Miller, as everything you have ever said about him was embarrassingly wrong. The kid would of been a top 10 pick if not for signability questions. James was drafted earlier than he should of been because we thought he wouldnt be a diva and would bJa easy to sign. James wasnt an awful pick in and of itself, he was for what was still on the board(and this isnt just Shelby Miller), but having 2 first next year would be nice.
August 13, 200915 yr I don't believe a thing I said about Miller was incorrect. He has a large repertoire of pitches, has a nice mid 90s fastball, but the main knock on him is he has control issues, and is a boom or bust prospect. I and most of the people here don't want to give the signing bonus Miller is asking for for a guy who can easily become a wild pitcher who never reaches the majors. James showed consistancy in the pitches he throws. We know what we are getting out of him, which is a guy who throws a low to mid 90s fastball, a good changeup and an ok curveball (not the 12-6 curve Miller throws, but unlike the 12-6, it is a lot easier to locate). He has a reputation as a hard worker, he was easy to sign (we thought), and his numbers were outstanding in high school (8-2 with a 1.28 ERA at Yukon High).
August 13, 200915 yr I don't believe a thing I said about Miller was incorrect. He has a large repertoire of pitches, has a nice mid 90s fastball, but the main knock on him is he has control issues, and is a boom or bust prospect. I and most of the people here don't want to give the signing bonus Miller is asking for for a guy who can easily become a wild pitcher who never reaches the majors. James showed consistancy in the pitches he throws. We know what we are getting out of him, which is a guy who throws a low to mid 90s fastball, a good changeup and an ok curveball (not the 12-6 curve Miller throws, but unlike the 12-6, it is a lot easier to locate). He has a reputation as a hard worker, he was easy to sign (we thought), and his numbers were outstanding in high school (8-2 with a 1.28 ERA at Yukon High). That is the part you were proven wrong(quite wrong) about. In all of the scouting reports about Miller leading up to the draft, the only thing ever said about his "control problems" was that they were "mild". James, in fact, had more knocks on his control than Shelby Miller did. James also doesnt feature a low to mid 90s fastball. He features a mid 80s to low 90s fastball. I believe he sits at 88 or 89. He was someone who no one could even really project because his stuff, while having potential, is pretty "meh" at this point. One thing our system lacks is a top of the rotation pitching prospect. Miller is that kind of pitcher, James is not.
August 13, 200915 yr I don't believe a thing I said about Miller was incorrect. He has a large repertoire of pitches, has a nice mid 90s fastball, but the main knock on him is he has control issues, and is a boom or bust prospect. I and most of the people here don't want to give the signing bonus Miller is asking for for a guy who can easily become a wild pitcher who never reaches the majors. James showed consistancy in the pitches he throws. We know what we are getting out of him, which is a guy who throws a low to mid 90s fastball, a good changeup and an ok curveball (not the 12-6 curve Miller throws, but unlike the 12-6, it is a lot easier to locate). He has a reputation as a hard worker, he was easy to sign (we thought), and his numbers were outstanding in high school (8-2 with a 1.28 ERA at Yukon High). That is the part you were proven wrong(quite wrong) about. In all of the scouting reports about Miller leading up to the draft, the only thing ever said about his "control problems" was that they were "mild". James, in fact, had more knocks on his control than Shelby Miller did. James also doesnt feature a low to mid 90s fastball. He features a mid 80s to low 90s fastball. I believe he sits at 88 or 89. He was someone who no one could even really project because his stuff, while having potential, is pretty "meh" at this point. One thing our system lacks is a top of the rotation pitching prospect. Miller is that kind of pitcher, James is not. http://insider.espn....ame%3dmlb_draft http://www.miamihera...ry/1090135.html Two sources that say low to mid 90s, not the high 80s you are talking about. And you really are overestimating Miller's control. It isn't mild. http://www.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/reports.jsp?content=miller just one link I found randomly, stating his control is "inconsistant at best". He has a good amount of pitches, but due to the lack of control he has on those other pitches, he only has two established pitches, the fastball and the 12-6 curveball. He isn't going to last in the minors with just two pitches to work with, and having control issues (even if you consider "minor") when your main offspeed pitch is a 12-6 curveball is a red flag.
August 13, 200915 yr Control issues can be fixed. That is what the minor leagues are for. If his stuff is really that good, and we didn't draft him because of control issues, we made a serious mistake. Having two first round picks next year would be nice, too.
August 13, 200915 yr Control issues can be fixed. That is what the minor leagues are for. If his stuff is really that good, and we didn't draft him because of control issues, we made a serious mistake. Having two first round picks next year would be nice, too. I stated within my post as well that he only has 2 pitches, his secondary pitch is not a good pitch to throw when you have those control issues, and his agent was asking for a large signing bonus which would've made it hard for us to sign him. Here is something one scout mentioned about him He also seemed to have a tendency to let his arm slot drift slightly lower, which makes it hard to get consistency on a curveball. So it is more than just a command issue, it is a mechanical issue as well. You need to teach him new pitches in the minors, fix his command issues, be able to sign him, and hope he doesn't end up like our own Miller (Andrew Miller) has ended up thus far with somewhat same stature/issues coming into the draft. And I know you Miller23, only wanting two picks to enhance the chance of getting Bryce Harper. I'm onto you But there are some very good names popping up as possibilities in next years draft. One of my favorites is Anthony Ranaudo. He was drafted in the 11th round in 2007 but chose to go to LSU instead of going pro. I saw him in the college world series this year, and the kid is a strikeout machine, having 147 K's in 109 2/3 innings of work. He'll probably be top 10 material next year.
August 13, 200915 yr Control issues can be fixed. That is what the minor leagues are for. If his stuff is really that good, and we didn't draft him because of control issues, we made a serious mistake. Having two first round picks next year would be nice, too. I stated within my post as well that he only has 2 pitches, his secondary pitch is not a good pitch to throw when you have those control issues, and his agent was asking for a large signing bonus which would've made it hard for us to sign him. Here is something one scout mentioned about him He also seemed to have a tendency to let his arm slot drift slightly lower, which makes it hard to get consistency on a curveball. So it is more than just a command issue, it is a mechanical issue as well. You need to teach him new pitches in the minors, fix his command issues, be able to sign him, and hope he doesn't end up like our own Miller (Andrew Miller) has ended up thus far with somewhat same stature/issues coming into the draft. And I know you Miller23, only wanting two picks to enhance the chance of getting Bryce Harper. I'm onto you But there are some very good names popping up as possibilities in next years draft. One of my favorites is Anthony Ranaudo. He was drafted in the 11th round in 2007 but chose to go to LSU instead of going pro. I saw him in the college world series this year, and the kid is a strikeout machine, having 147 K's in 109 2/3 innings of work. He'll probably be top 10 material next year. I know he has problems. Everyone does. But, if he is like Andrew Miller, and has ace like stuff, you draft him because we need a potential ace in our system. And that is what the minor leagues are for. To develop pitchers like Shelby Miller. Now, if he was commanding large signing bonuses, then I can see why we didn't draft him. As for Bryce Harper, who doesn't want the Chuck Norris of baseball? Think about it, Chuck Norris. The man who doesn't do pushups, instead pushses the Earth down.
August 13, 200915 yr BTW: Shelby Miller is asking for $4 million. James is asking for a hell of a lot less. And Andrew Miller was drafted 7th, and remember Andrew Miller had 4 years at UNC, which was basically his minor leagues. He was drafted close to polished. Shelby Miller showed inconsistancy in high school, which is a big concern for the money he wanted. True we would've had 4 years at least to tweak his delivery and his mechanics, but with Chad James on the board, a player the Marlins had scouted heavily, still on the board, we had to take him due to signability issues and him being a sure thing (4th-5th starter). James has good command at this point, and he has more polished pitches. While they aren't a good of pitches that you could develop, he is a very precise pitcher. You can tell that by his 100 K's to 33 BB's in his final year at high school. I stated a few times, Miller is a boom or bust prospect. My issue with him is that if you are asking for a high signing bonus, you better have more than 2 pitches, you better have your mechanics damn near perfect, and you need to locate your only off speed pitch at the moment (12-6 curveball). If you can't locate that curveball, you are left with just the fastball, and although it is around 97 MPH, you aren't going to survive in the league if all you can locate is that fastball.
August 13, 200915 yr The only thing Dim never mentions is that MILLER BARELY HAS ANY FLIPPING CONTROL ISSUES! My gosh. In all the scouting reports about the kid, his control was mentioned once, ONCE, and it was called a "mild control issues". And that is the second time you have posted that link, and it notes that what they call inconsistency could really be a result of him pitching high in the zone. The kids control is just fine.
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