Marlins win 5-2

 

Fish of the Game is JJ and everybody in the bullpen minus Nunez.

Marlins win 5-2

 

Fish of the Game is JJ and everybody in the bullpen minus Nunez.

 

 

 

Nunez did better than Sanches today.

 

And Fredi finally used Meyer in a situation that actually mattered some. So yipee to that. He managed really well, today. There, I said it.

Nunez hit 2 batters in a row WTF!?!

Anyone else see Hanley and Albert jawing with each other after the DP to end the game? Saying something in Spanish. The guys on MLBN pointed it out.

Anyone else see Hanley and Albert jawing with each other after the DP to end the game? Saying something in Spanish. The guys on MLBN pointed it out.

 

 

Yeah I was watching that right now. They also said that JJ's agent intends to get JJ the most money possible. I haven't read anything from JJ's agent saying anything... have you guys?

They also said that JJ's agent intends to get JJ the most money possible. I haven't read anything from JJ's agent saying anything... have you guys?

 

 

Yes, in the Sun-Sentinel:

 

ST. LOUIS - The Marlins may very well be taking it easy with Josh Johnson because they are protecting a long-term investment.

 

For now, Johnson wearing a Marlins uniform deep into his free-agent years may just be wishful thinking on both sides.

 

Johnson is arbitration-eligible two more seasons before qualifying for free agency after 2011. The two sides have not had substantive discussions about a multiyear deal, but the Marlins at least appear willing to entertain that possibility.

 

"They have said they want to try to get something done in the offseason, but I've also made it clear what my feeling is about what his value is," said Matt Sosnick, Johnson's San Francisco-based agent.

 

"He'd like to stay in Florida, but they're probably going to have to really bust out of their [financial] comfort zone to make it happen."

 

The next two seasons combined, Johnson, through arbitration, would likely make somewhere around $15 million. Where it gets tricky is assigning a price for his free-agent seasons. Don't look for Johnson to give the Marlins a break on those free-agent years the way Hanley Ramirez did.

 

The Marlins bought out Ramirez's first three free-agent years for an average of $15.5 million. That's not chump change by any means, but on the open market, Ramirez would have commanded considerably more for those years.

 

"Josh is a pitcher who is absolutely unaffected by the economy," Sosnick said. "Whatever the economy is, there are four or five teams that would pay him $20 million a year to go play for them five or six or seven years.

 

"Josh is not going to make a bad deal. They're going to have to make a market deal for him, and it just so happens that in this case a market deal for this player is going to be somewhat precedent-setting. Once again, it doesn't make it right or wrong on the Marlins' part, but it doesn't seem like that follows into their past strategy of doing business."

Anyone else see Hanley and Albert jawing with each other after the DP to end the game? Saying something in Spanish. The guys on MLBN pointed it out.

 

 

Haha and just a couple of hours previous one of the feature stories on MLB.com was relating to how Pujols had given some tips (in ST and the past few AS Games) to Hanley about how to be a better hitter (in particular with RISP).

So would the contract of Zack Grienkie (which all have said the two pitchers are comparable) still seem realistic of JJ?

So would the contract of Zack Grienkie (which all have said the two pitchers are comparable) still seem realistic of JJ?

 

 

According to Keith Law and MarlinsLou, yes.

So would the contract of Zack Grienkie (which all have said the two pitchers are comparable) still seem realistic of JJ?

 

 

 

Arbritration contracts are totally different from long-term contracts (like...giving a player a contract when he becomes a free agent). JJ isn't a free agent this offseason, nor was Grienke, in Lou's example/comparison.

So would the contract of Zack Grienkie (which all have said the two pitchers are comparable) still seem realistic of JJ?

 

 

According to Keith Law and MarlinsLou, yes.

 

Does this also mean that our chances of getting JJ are dwindling? The article stated that a pitcher like him, the money better be "set precedent" with the Marlins, financially. More than Hanley?

You have an agent posturing to be the next Scott Boras and next year or 2011 when he's made a complete ass of himself and painted his client into a very dark corner with his big mouth the Marlins will run Johnson out there for eight innings+ a start until his freaking arm falls off. And you know what, when Josh Johnson complains they'll still run him out there because if his agent is bound and determined to stick up the front office's butt they'll be glad to get every inning out of Johnson he has until the end of his baseball career. By 2012 and free agency Johnson will be lucky to find a job with a second tier club as their swingman/long reliever. 250+ innings a season for a couple in a row for a guy these days is the kiss of death.

 

He would not be the first player who had his career ruined by his agent. Nor unforunately will he be the last. Hopefully this jerk in SF understand the world revolves around neither his client nor himself. I would not want to be the guy screwing with Admin Beinfest in this kind of situation.

If you were Josh Johnson's agent, you'd be asking for the same thing. Who wouldn't? He's an ace right now, who hasn't even reached his prime. The agent is just doing his job.

 

And again...Josh Johnson isn't a free agent this offseason. That big contract his agent is talking about is for when he becomes a free agent in a couple of years (if the Marlins don't sign him to a long-term deal, before that).

You have an agent posturing to be the next Scott Boras and next year or 2011 when he's made a complete ass of himself and painted his client into a very dark corner with his big mouth the Marlins will run Johnson out there for eight innings+ a start until his freaking arm falls off. And you know what, when Josh Johnson complains they'll still run him out there because if his agent is bound and determined to stick up the front office's butt they'll be glad to get every inning out of Johnson he has until the end of his baseball career. By 2012 and free agency Johnson will be lucky to find a job with a second tier club as their swingman/long reliever. 250+ innings a season for a couple in a row for a guy these days is the kiss of death.

 

He would not be the first player who had his career ruined by his agent. Nor unforunately will he be the last. Hopefully this jerk in SF understand the world revolves around neither his client nor himself. I would not want to be the guy screwing with Admin Beinfest in this kind of situation.

 

 

You are very very scary....

If you were Josh Johnson's agent, you'd be asking for the same thing. Who wouldn't? He's an ace right now, who hasn't even reached his prime. The agent is just doing his job.

 

And again...Josh Johnson isn't a free agent this offseason. That big contract his agent is talking about is for when he becomes a free agent in a couple of years (if the Marlins don't sign him to a long-term deal, before that).

 

 

I love Josh Johnson very much (who doesn't?), but I'm always wary of signing pitchers to long-term deals... however, if there were ever a pitcher we should sign, I do believe JJ would be it.

You are very very scary....

 

 

Life's a b*tch.

If you were Josh Johnson's agent, you'd be asking for the same thing. Who wouldn't? He's an ace right now, who hasn't even reached his prime. The agent is just doing his job.

 

And again...Josh Johnson isn't a free agent this offseason. That big contract his agent is talking about is for when he becomes a free agent in a couple of years (if the Marlins don't sign him to a long-term deal, before that).

 

 

No Erick I wouldn't, at least not in the press every chance I have the opportunity to do so. He's not attempting to enter into harmonious negotiations he's (god I can't use the euphemism I want to) and at the same time trying to leverage the marlins into setting his client free early so he can make a deal sooner rather than later somewhere else. I feel sorry for Josh who will get caught in a meat grinder and pay the ultimate price.

 

If you let this agent run all over you (which he has been attempting to do all season with his snide remarks and veiled threats, these aren't his first comments) you'll never get another deal done, ever, so if you want to survive and if anything this current Marlins organization are survivors, at some point you need to make an example of someone who tries to screw with you. With a new stadium and new found cashflow streams the Marlins either allow themselves to be played for chumps or take control of these situations by setting an example early. I'm betting on the latter.

You have an agent posturing to be the next Scott Boras and next year or 2011 when he's made a complete ass of himself and painted his client into a very dark corner with his big mouth the Marlins will run Johnson out there for eight innings+ a start until his freaking arm falls off. And you know what, when Josh Johnson complains they'll still run him out there because if his agent is bound and determined to stick up the front office's butt they'll be glad to get every inning out of Johnson he has until the end of his baseball career. By 2012 and free agency Johnson will be lucky to find a job with a second tier club as their swingman/long reliever. 250+ innings a season for a couple in a row for a guy these days is the kiss of death.

 

He would not be the first player who had his career ruined by his agent. Nor unforunately will he be the last. Hopefully this jerk in SF understand the world revolves around neither his client nor himself. I would not want to be the guy screwing with Admin Beinfest in this kind of situation.

 

 

This X a billion.

And the player does have a say, and I imagine JJ will be interested in the financial security that he could get by getting 2-3 FA years bought out.

And, I mean obviously he's trying to get his client the most money. That's pretty much by definition what an agent should do.

If you were Josh Johnson's agent, you'd be asking for the same thing. Who wouldn't? He's an ace right now, who hasn't even reached his prime. The agent is just doing his job.

 

And again...Josh Johnson isn't a free agent this offseason. That big contract his agent is talking about is for when he becomes a free agent in a couple of years (if the Marlins don't sign him to a long-term deal, before that).

 

 

No Erick I wouldn't, at least not in the press every chance I have the opportunity to do so. He's not attempting to enter into harmonious negotiations he's (god I can't use the euphemism I want to) and at the same time trying to leverage the marlins into setting his client free early so he can make a deal sooner rather than later somewhere else. I feel sorry for Josh who will get caught in a meat grinder and pay the ultimate price.

 

If you let this agent run all over you (which he has been attempting to do all season with his snide remarks and veiled threats, these aren't his first comments) you'll never get another deal done, ever, so if you want to survive and if anything this current Marlins organization are survivors, at some point you need to make an example of someone who tries to screw with you. With a new stadium and new found cashflow streams the Marlins either allow themselves to be played for chumps or take control of these situations by setting an example early. I'm betting on the latter.

 

Also this X a billion.

This agent has been acting like a total ass in the media every chance he has gotten this season. It sucks for JJ, but the Marlins aren't about to be taken for a ride.

I don't see what the big deal is. Maybe he is being an ass in public, but at the end of the day, what he's saying is fact. If Josh Johnson remains consistent and opts to go to free agency, there's no reason to think that he won't get a long-term deal worth 20 million a year. I mean, look at the ridiculous contracts given out lately these past few offseasons for starting pitchers...(starting with Oliver Perez and working your way up). JJ and his agent want the money, and I can't blame them one bit. I'd want the same thing, and I'm assuming everyone on here would want the same thing. Loyalty in sports is a rarity. It's a business. It's his agent's/Josh Johnson's choice on whether or not they want to stay, and it's really the Marlins choice on whether or not they want to keep him for the price his agent/he is asking for. It's that simple. I don't see anything douchebagish about it. It's the case with all players.

"Josh is a pitcher who is absolutely unaffected by the economy," Sosnick said. "Whatever the economy is, there are four or five teams that would pay him $20 million a year to go play for them five or six or seven years.

 

 

I love jerkoff statements like that. "X pitcher is absolutely unaffected by the economy." Uh huh. The precedent has already been set Sosnick, JJ hasn't done anything unprecedented. As Lou has pointed out, Grienke's awfully close.

 

And it's been said already but you want to risk injury or getting overused the next 2 years of arbitration or do you want to be set for life with a deal right now?

"Josh is a pitcher who is absolutely unaffected by the economy," Sosnick said. "Whatever the economy is, there are four or five teams that would pay him $20 million a year to go play for them five or six or seven years.

 

 

I love jerkoff statements like that. "X pitcher is absolutely unaffected by the economy." Uh huh. The precedent has already been set Sosnick, JJ hasn't done anything unprecedented. As Lou has pointed out, Grienke's awfully close.

 

And it's been said already but you want to risk injury or getting overused the next 2 years of arbitration or do you want to be set for life with a deal right now?

 

 

And if Grienke became a free agent this offseason, he'd also easily get a long-term deal worth 20+ million, considering he's been the best pitcher in baseball this year. It might be a jerkoff statement, but it's also still a fact.

Possibly, though I don't think there are 5 teams offering 20 mil for 6 or 7 years, but then again I'm usually surprised.

 

Anyway I'm not arguing if it's factual.

 

The other point still remains though. If it's me I'm taking a long term deal right now over hoping to stay healthy for two years while the marlins get every drop they can out of me.

Possibly, though I don't think there are 5 teams offering 20 mil for 6 or 7 years, but then again I'm usually surprised.

 

Anyway I'm not arguing if it's factual.

 

The other point still remains though. If it's me I'm taking a long term deal right now over hoping to stay healthy for two years while the marlins get every drop they can out of me.

 

 

Yeah, this is key. Maybe I'm misreading his statements, but it doesn't sound like he is expressly referring to JJ's free agent years. He doesn't get $20/yr when you would be paying for two of his arbitration years. And to think that he's not going to give a "discount" in exchange for the financial security (for a pitcher with a major arm surgery in his past, mind you) is ridiculous. And if that's the case, then I hope we run JJ's arm into the ground over the next 2 seasons.

 

And, Erick, he still doesn't have to be an asshole over and over and over again. Most agents, it seems, don't make stupid jerkoff comments throughout a season like he has been doing, especially when his client is still CC'd for 2 more years.

It depends on what the Marlins offer but unless it's a ridiculous generous offer (this wont happen) if I was JJ I would go through arbitration the next two years and then get an enormous contract after the 2011 season. With what he made this year and what he'll make next year his financial future should already be more than secure so he can be a little patient and wait for free agency to maximize his money.