Maybe I read this wrong but it seems that Paulino (who was roundedly unloved throughout baseball coming out of the 2008 season and couldn't stick with two other NL clubs) isn't being shopping rather (flatteringly) teams have called to express their interest in the guy. This time of the year everyone is interested in everyone, including speculation that the Red Sox may be back to poach Cody Ross for Manny Delcarmen.

 

There's going to be a lot more speculation, gossip and hearsay before the trading season is over.

 

As for Gload it's a matter of going with the guy you know and with a season of experience seeing what he brings to the team the move probably makes sense and isn't for big money. I wonder though when they say a "Helms-like deal" does that mean the dollars or the two year length of the contract offered.

Paulino is a starter and he needs to be traded somewhere, where he can be a starter.

 

Or, we can keep him for a miniscule arbitration tender and get top 5-10 catcher production for a cumulative $1.3ish million dollars. This is a huge win, and worth more than a trade. We can always move him next year.

 

But I will say, if he's the difference of getting the package of players we want for Uggla, and it takes Uggla/Paulino to get the 3/4 minor leaguers instead of just Uggla (think about the Giants needing a stopgap for 1-2 years to get Buster ready, or even the Orioles, etc), I'd say ship him out if you can get THE guy you want.

Paulino is a starter and he needs to be traded somewhere, where he can be a starter.

 

Or, we can keep him for a miniscule arbitration tender and get top 5-10 catcher production for a cumulative $1.3ish million dollars. This is a huge win, and worth more than a trade. We can always move him next year.

 

But I will say, if he's the difference of getting the package of players we want for Uggla, and it takes Uggla/Paulino to get the 3/4 minor leaguers instead of just Uggla (think about the Giants needing a stopgap for 1-2 years to get Buster ready, or even the Orioles, etc), I'd say ship him out if you can get THE guy you want.

If Paulino is a starter, it would be dumb to trade him. Baker is not an every day catcher and we have no replacement.

If Paulino is a starter, it would be dumb to trade him. Baker is not an every day catcher and we have no replacement.

We better not trade Paulino. There's really no one else within the organization who can be even half as good a backup/spot-starter as he is.

We better not trade Paulino. There's really no one else within the organization who can be even half as good a backup/spot-starter as he is.

Maybe I read this wrong but it seems that Paulino (who was roundedly unloved throughout baseball coming out of the 2008 season and couldn't stick with two other NL clubs) isn't being shopping rather (flatteringly) teams have called to express their interest in the guy. This time of the year everyone is interested in everyone, including speculation that the Red Sox may be back to poach Cody Ross for Manny Delcarmen.

 

There's going to be a lot more speculation, gossip and hearsay before the trading season is over.

 

As for Gload it's a matter of going with the guy you know and with a season of experience seeing what he brings to the team the move probably makes sense and isn't for big money. I wonder though when they say a "Helms-like deal" does that mean the dollars or the two year length of the contract offered.

 

 

 

I think it's both.

Maybe I read this wrong but it seems that Paulino (who was roundedly unloved throughout baseball coming out of the 2008 season and couldn't stick with two other NL clubs) isn't being shopping rather (flatteringly) teams have called to express their interest in the guy. This time of the year everyone is interested in everyone, including speculation that the Red Sox may be back to poach Cody Ross for Manny Delcarmen.

 

There's going to be a lot more speculation, gossip and hearsay before the trading season is over.

 

As for Gload it's a matter of going with the guy you know and with a season of experience seeing what he brings to the team the move probably makes sense and isn't for big money. I wonder though when they say a "Helms-like deal" does that mean the dollars or the two year length of the contract offered.

 

 

 

I think it's both.

Maybe I read this wrong but it seems that Paulino (who was roundedly unloved throughout baseball coming out of the 2008 season and couldn't stick with two other NL clubs) isn't being shopping rather (flatteringly) teams have called to express their interest in the guy. This time of the year everyone is interested in everyone, including speculation that the Red Sox may be back to poach Cody Ross for Manny Delcarmen.

 

There's going to be a lot more speculation, gossip and hearsay before the trading season is over.

 

As for Gload it's a matter of going with the guy you know and with a season of experience seeing what he brings to the team the move probably makes sense and isn't for big money. I wonder though when they say a "Helms-like deal" does that mean the dollars or the two year length of the contract offered.

 

 

 

He also makes a pretty good counter-balance in his leadership techniques with Helms, who is an in-your-face and sometimes physical leader. Gload dosen't come across that way to me. I would think it is both $$$ and length, $2 mil, 2 years type thing. It will be interesting to see what happens. Regardless of whether some liked the deal last year or not with Wes, he lived up to his contract in ways that the numbers will never show. And even the numbers weren't all that bad.

Maybe I read this wrong but it seems that Paulino (who was roundedly unloved throughout baseball coming out of the 2008 season and couldn't stick with two other NL clubs) isn't being shopping rather (flatteringly) teams have called to express their interest in the guy. This time of the year everyone is interested in everyone, including speculation that the Red Sox may be back to poach Cody Ross for Manny Delcarmen.

 

There's going to be a lot more speculation, gossip and hearsay before the trading season is over.

 

As for Gload it's a matter of going with the guy you know and with a season of experience seeing what he brings to the team the move probably makes sense and isn't for big money. I wonder though when they say a "Helms-like deal" does that mean the dollars or the two year length of the contract offered.

 

 

 

He also makes a pretty good counter-balance in his leadership techniques with Helms, who is an in-your-face and sometimes physical leader. Gload dosen't come across that way to me. I would think it is both $$$ and length, $2 mil, 2 years type thing. It will be interesting to see what happens. Regardless of whether some liked the deal last year or not with Wes, he lived up to his contract in ways that the numbers will never show. And even the numbers weren't all that bad.

Maybe I read this wrong but it seems that Paulino (who was roundedly unloved throughout baseball coming out of the 2008 season and couldn't stick with two other NL clubs) isn't being shopping rather (flatteringly) teams have called to express their interest in the guy. This time of the year everyone is interested in everyone, including speculation that the Red Sox may be back to poach Cody Ross for Manny Delcarmen.

 

There's going to be a lot more speculation, gossip and hearsay before the trading season is over.

 

As for Gload it's a matter of going with the guy you know and with a season of experience seeing what he brings to the team the move probably makes sense and isn't for big money. I wonder though when they say a "Helms-like deal" does that mean the dollars or the two year length of the contract offered.

 

 

 

He also makes a pretty good counter-balance in his leadership techniques with Helms, who is an in-your-face and sometimes physical leader. Gload dosen't come across that way to me. I would think it is both $$ and length, $2 mil, 2 years type thing. It will be interesting to see what happens. Regardless of whether some liked the deal last year or not with Wes, he lived up to his contract in ways that the numbers will never show. And even the numbers weren't all that bad.

 

yet some people on here still believe that veteran presence has no value

Maybe I read this wrong but it seems that Paulino (who was roundedly unloved throughout baseball coming out of the 2008 season and couldn't stick with two other NL clubs) isn't being shopping rather (flatteringly) teams have called to express their interest in the guy. This time of the year everyone is interested in everyone, including speculation that the Red Sox may be back to poach Cody Ross for Manny Delcarmen.

 

There's going to be a lot more speculation, gossip and hearsay before the trading season is over.

 

As for Gload it's a matter of going with the guy you know and with a season of experience seeing what he brings to the team the move probably makes sense and isn't for big money. I wonder though when they say a "Helms-like deal" does that mean the dollars or the two year length of the contract offered.

 

 

 

He also makes a pretty good counter-balance in his leadership techniques with Helms, who is an in-your-face and sometimes physical leader. Gload dosen't come across that way to me. I would think it is both $$ and length, $2 mil, 2 years type thing. It will be interesting to see what happens. Regardless of whether some liked the deal last year or not with Wes, he lived up to his contract in ways that the numbers will never show. And even the numbers weren't all that bad.

 

yet some people on here still believe that veteran presence has no value

The Marlins can't trade Ronny Paulino. He has the best name of anyone on the team.

 

Knowing Loria, he'll probably trade Paulino and sign some scrub named Barry Soetoro.

The Marlins can't trade Ronny Paulino. He has the best name of anyone on the team.

 

Knowing Loria, he'll probably trade Paulino and sign some scrub named Barry Soetoro.

While I'm not as big a hater of the Helms contract as some here, the numbers were pretty bad. I'll give the leadership stuff, even if I think it's overrated I still think it's something a team is helped by having. But to say the numbers "weren't all that bad" shows me that someone isn't looking at the numbers. He was pretty useful as a pinch hitter, but he was Bonifacio-esque in all other roles.

While I'm not as big a hater of the Helms contract as some here, the numbers were pretty bad. I'll give the leadership stuff, even if I think it's overrated I still think it's something a team is helped by having. But to say the numbers "weren't all that bad" shows me that someone isn't looking at the numbers. He was pretty useful as a pinch hitter, but he was Bonifacio-esque in all other roles.

While I'm not as big a hater of the Helms contract as some here, the numbers were pretty bad. I'll give the leadership stuff, even if I think it's overrated I still think it's something a team is helped by having. But to say the numbers "weren't all that bad" shows me that someone isn't looking at the numbers. He was pretty useful as a pinch hitter, but he was Bonifacio-esque in all other roles.

 

Well, his real job on the team is to be a PHer. Plus, this is one of the rare cases of veteran leadership I agree with.

While I'm not as big a hater of the Helms contract as some here, the numbers were pretty bad. I'll give the leadership stuff, even if I think it's overrated I still think it's something a team is helped by having. But to say the numbers "weren't all that bad" shows me that someone isn't looking at the numbers. He was pretty useful as a pinch hitter, but he was Bonifacio-esque in all other roles.

 

Well, his real job on the team is to be a PHer. Plus, this is one of the rare cases of veteran leadership I agree with.

Well, his real job on the team is to be a PHer.

 

 

His job on the field is not just to be a PHer. His job is also to spell the regulars when they need rest, as well as is next in line if there is an injury. His on field production likely would not be difficult to replace with someone making the minimum.

 

But he has all the other things on his side, and while you can quote the fact he's making 950k, that's not "950k we could spend elsewhere", there's 500k we could spend elsewhere, because we'd still be spending ~450k on a bench bat to replace him.

 

Certainly don't have much of a problem at all with giving Helms and Gload +500k for the bench.

Well, his real job on the team is to be a PHer.

 

 

His job on the field is not just to be a PHer. His job is also to spell the regulars when they need rest, as well as is next in line if there is an injury. His on field production likely would not be difficult to replace with someone making the minimum.

 

But he has all the other things on his side, and while you can quote the fact he's making 950k, that's not "950k we could spend elsewhere", there's 500k we could spend elsewhere, because we'd still be spending ~450k on a bench bat to replace him.

 

Certainly don't have much of a problem at all with giving Helms and Gload +500k for the bench.

Well, his real job on the team is to be a PHer.

 

 

His job on the field is not just to be a PHer. His job is also to spell the regulars when they need rest, as well as is next in line if there is an injury. His on field production likely would not be difficult to replace with someone making the minimum.

 

But he has all the other things on his side, and while you can quote the fact he's making 950k, that's not "950k we could spend elsewhere", there's 500k we could spend elsewhere, because we'd still be spending ~450k on a bench bat to replace him.

 

Certainly don't have much of a problem at all with giving Helms and Gload +500k for the bench.

 

This. Additionally, letting them continue in a role they are now comfortable with is a good thing and lends itself to consistency. If you just bring in a washed-up former starter-type to PH off the bench, you never know how they'll respond. I'm pretty confident we'll see decent numbers from these guys as pinch-hitters.

Well, his real job on the team is to be a PHer.

 

 

His job on the field is not just to be a PHer. His job is also to spell the regulars when they need rest, as well as is next in line if there is an injury. His on field production likely would not be difficult to replace with someone making the minimum.

 

But he has all the other things on his side, and while you can quote the fact he's making 950k, that's not "950k we could spend elsewhere", there's 500k we could spend elsewhere, because we'd still be spending ~450k on a bench bat to replace him.

 

Certainly don't have much of a problem at all with giving Helms and Gload +500k for the bench.

 

This. Additionally, letting them continue in a role they are now comfortable with is a good thing and lends itself to consistency. If you just bring in a washed-up former starter-type to PH off the bench, you never know how they'll respond. I'm pretty confident we'll see decent numbers from these guys as pinch-hitters.