A new stadium will likely spike attendance for a year or two. What will keep the fans coming out is putting a consistent winning team on the field. Not one every five years or so.

 

I don't think anyone disagrees with this.

 

I do (sort of).

 

What most people fail to consider is this stadium isn't being built for the existing fan base, we are almost an afterthought (perhaps that's an exaggeration). The big problem thought is the economy which is about to get much worse and for an extended period of time.

 

The stadium exists to lure corporate customers that can secure large blocks of seats, boxes and skyboxes for a sustained period of time. The Marlins have been contracturally prohibited from soliciting them since Huizenga sold the franchise. We (the fans) are the frosting on the cake. Then there's all the fans to the south who have effectively been precluded from attending that market research indicates will more than make up for any loss of fannies from the north.

Can't we just say it's all of it? It's for corporate revenue, it's to get all the people in Brickell and the Gables (money) to go to the games, it's for normal day of sale traffic, it's to establish the team in the community with a huge 30-40 year lease to build long term fans instead of transplants buying just tickets to the Yankees games. It's for all of it. But I mean, it's the same thing when it comes down to it with the Heat. When the team is awesome, they'll draw 35k. When they are bad, it'll be 20k. It's not going to dip to pathetic 7,000 people on a weeknight sitting in bumf*** dade/broward county line. The stadium is going to allow the team to peak when it needs to in core contending years, and on down years provide enough revenue to keep the Cabrera and Becketts around soif we move them it's because of exclusive baseball reasons, and NOT with payroll implications with attaching Lowell and Dontrelle to those deals as we have in years past.

 

That's all I think we can expect as fans. And I don't think that's very realistic.

Cody knew he won when the arbitrators starting chanting CO-DY CO-DY CO-DY

 

 

hahahaha

I lol'd.

Nice work.

No Rab and Lou we are looking at reality. Perception is part of reality when you screw all the good you have done, by looking cheap just the one time. Because most people, like Mike & Mike have an agenda, and they started making fun of the Marlins in 2006, when they said on their show that the Marlins were a joke because of the $ 24 million payroll. The Marlins have a PR nightmare, and Loria was prodded into spending more money this year, only with a public reprimand from the MLBPA and the other owners.

 

You can continue your unabashed Loria worship, but many of us are not buying what he is selling, and judging from the crowds the Marlins usually get, neither is the general public. And they are the ones that make the final judgement (by attending or not) whether or not that is fair or not.

 

Yes they have a PR nightmare, but Cody Ross isn't effecting that at all. You don't seem to understand that. It's arbitration. It happens every year with multiple players. WHO CARES!

 

Stadium. Hanley. Johnson. More signings in the future. Winning ball games. These are important things.

 

Going to an arbitration panel with Cody Ross isn't doing anything.

 

More so, you want to bring up current attendance? Who really cares, they are never going to draw in that stadium again because there is to much negativity surrounding it from the past 10 years of the franchise. You know what crowd is going to matter? When every game in 2012 is sold out before opening day.

 

Then in 2013 when attendance falls back to 8-10,000 a game what will you say ?

 

I do understand it, I do get it. For the PR hit the Marlins take today ALL OF THE GOOD in signing Uggla and Johnson was wiped out. Is it fair ? No, but that is because unfairly or not, the Marlins are perceived by the public, and more importantly by the players as cheap and the last place you want to end up.

 

The Marlins and Loria should care, because in the long run, the damage this causes the future is worth a lot more than the $ 250,000 he should have agreed to pay Ross. I mean he ends up paying it anyways, and now has let the media and fans make fun of him. Its just bad business -- it doesn't help your future.

 

Did Mike and Mike talk about on their national show the signing of Uggla ? NO ! Did they talk about how cheap the Marlins are for not giving a player they counted on, will count on this year, a much deserved raise ? No they only talked about the $ 250,000 the Marlins were too cheap to pay. Don't you see how this kind of thing is seen by the players ? Those men who are potential FA's ???? Is losing the right FA and possibly that one link to winning a WS title, worth the bad PR you got for fighting and LOSING an arbitration hearing ? We are not talking about $ 1 million, or $ 3 or 4 million, but $ 250,000.

 

If I can't get you to understand the damage that taking Ross to arbitration today, then I suggest you never get into the restaurant or customer service business. You just don't get it that sometimes you bite the bullet on a small amount of money to stop the bad PR your overall business gets, deserved or undeserved. The Marlins look extremely unattractive to most FA's and this only adds to that.

 

Seems to like you re the only one worked up about Cody going to arbitration. Its a normal procedure conducted year in and year out, how is it bad for Marlins to conduct their business in proper form. Now, if the marlins didn't sign him because of that amount and let him go that looks bad, either way he was going to get paid it was just about determining the amount. No PR damage was done, do you see this on Miami Herald front page? Is it all over ESPN? It was mentioned on a radio show and thats it, nothing more nothing less. GET OVER IT!! EVERY TEAM GOES THROUGH THIS, its nothing out of the ordinary lol

Loria will not spend and the new stadium will have 8-10,000 fans per game by 2013 or 2014.

 

There is no sense talking to you when your bias over Loria is so strong you refuse to look reasonably at everything that's happened. Like, even if you hate Loria and don't believe in him, things like MLB reprimanding the marlins and other low revenue teams on spending, and built into the stadium contracts Loria can't sell the team for 7 years. If he continues to let the team tank WITH a new stadium, the Marlins will be worthless because literally no one will go to a game if he messes up after the stadium. In a pure business sense, that's lowering his expected sale of the franchise 7 years down the road, meaning the Marlins are a poor investment because a new owner will have insurmountable odds at establishing a fan base after Loria has kicked it into the ground for over a decade. You think that's going to happen? I think Loria wants to increase the value of the Marlins. And you know how you do that - WIN. Because winning = fanbase.

 

Outside factors are going to dictate spending, let alone Loria's desire to win too. Maybe you were to young in 2003, but Loria was at every game screaming by the end of the year. This guy wants to win, he's just not going to sacrifice the business to do it with that beyond terrible stadium lease. There is a difference between a Loria apologist, which I am not, and understanding the business perspective of the Marlins. Could things have been run better? Absolutely, and I bet you Loria/Samson/Beinfest would all agree with that. But have they done a down right pathetic job to crucify them? No. They got the stadium. It took forever, but they got it and I love seeing it everytime I drive down 836. They have approved two long term deals. They have the entire front office locked up through 2015 if you missed that (which is enormous, and secondly, why would Beinfest agree to stick around through 2015 if he believed Loria was not going to raise payrolls. You think Beinfest likes having a $30 million payroll? If he were let go, he'd have his pick of 10 jobs in MLB instantly. A guy like Beinfest is in demand, and he choose to STAY). This ain't all bad. I'm not sugarcoating this either. This just is what it is even if you don't see it.

A new stadium will likely spike attendance for a year or two. What will keep the fans coming out is putting a consistent winning team on the field. Not one every five years or so.

 

I don't think anyone disagrees with this.

 

I do (sort of).

 

What most people fail to consider is this stadium isn't being built for the existing fan base, we are almost an afterthought (perhaps that's an exaggeration). The big problem thought is the economy which is about to get much worse and for an extended period of time.

 

The stadium exists to lure corporate customers that can secure large blocks of seats, boxes and skyboxes for a sustained period of time. The Marlins have been contracturally prohibited from soliciting them since Huizenga sold the franchise. We (the fans) are the frosting on the cake. Then there's all the fans to the south who have effectively been precluded from attending that market research indicates will more than make up for any loss of fannies from the north.

 

again, where are these corporate customers going to come from ? If you didn't notice, So Fla is practically devoid of large corporations. FPL used to be here but they are in Stuart (or nearby environs now). Knight-Ridder used to be here, but they sold the Herald and then moved to California. You expect Ryder Systems, Burger King and Carnival Cruise Lines to buy them all up ? Who else has an HQ's or top line executives down here ? For your information the Dolphins have NEVER sold out their luxury boxes, even in the good times economy. Its a pipe dream to think that will be the basis our "new payroll" in a couple of years. It will be the same old story, Loria will not spend and the new stadium will have 8-10,000 fans per game by 2013 or 2014.

 

Publix (HUGE) , Citrix Systems and Pollo Tropical also, off the top of my head. And that's not to say that other companies who don't have HQ down here but still have large presences can't buy tickets and/or boxes.

 

Also, the Marlins get virtually $0 from luxury boxes from SunLife Stadium, so anything at all they make will be an improvement on current revenue.

Lou, he's a troll. He's same guy who comes back every season with a different handle and puts on the same show. He was The Champ and he was Heywood Jablowme and I forget for the moment the very last one but next time he'll be someone else.

 

He gets off on this. Your rational arguments just feed the beast.

Your rational arguments just feed the beast.

 

This is the nicest thing you've ever said to me

:lol

I'll bet you any sum of money average attendance is over 10,000 a game in 2013. I'll bet you a Kidney.

 

You think taking Cody Ross to arbitration WIPED OUT signing Josh Johnson for 4 years, keeping Uggla/Cantu/Nunez/Pinto/Paulino and the rest of them? :;facepalm::

 

I swear, you must be in introduction to public relations in your sophomore year of college. This is such a primitive understanding of how a population of fans works it's frightening. Cody Ross, DOES NOT MATTER, to the perception of this franchise. Retaining their star players like Hanley and Johnson and Uggla, getting a stadium, and becoming a perennially winner is what matters. The damage has already been done. That was the 2005 sell off, Caberea, and the payroll the last few years where we suffered through Abercrombies and Treanors and wouldn't sign a $1 million FA to fix things. Cody Ross, isn't digging your further under. Arbitration is a normal process in the business of baseball. There is nothing unusual about this. There is nothing negative. It just is what it is.

 

When did Mike and Mike become important and the barometer or public opinion? The Marlins aren't hurting their brand by taking Ross to arbitration. They aren't selling less tickets. Nothing is happening here.

 

Lastly, everything Mystikol said. Free agents will care about the money THEY are getting, not what Cody is getting. They will care about THEIR playing time. They will care about the TEAM WINNING and a chance to contend. They will care about the city of Miami and South Beach which has a strong allure. This isn't the team being cheap and getting rid of Cody Ross. This is the team going through the arbitration process, which happens every year. Were the Marlins stupid to take Gregg to arbitration a few years ago. They took him for $125,000 ($700k versus $575k), and they won. This is being smart, not cheap.

 

I mean, you literally across the board are over blowing the significance of what happened today. It's like a news blip not fire and brimstone.

 

 

1st, about the "allure" of Miami and South Beach.....how many of the present Marlins live in South Fla on a year-round basis ? How many Dodger, D-Backs or Padres players move their entire familes to those cities once they sign a contract there ??? The only year-round residents of South Fla I can remember were Scott Olsen (in Aventura) and Dontrelle Willis, both of whom are no longer Marlins. Look, So Cal and Arizona are the places where baseball players live, not So Fla. When do baseball players see So Fla ? During the summer when it rains here every day. So, other than Hispanic players forget this being "an alluring" place for ball players to live every day, especially in the off-season. Uggla, Cody Ross, Brett Carroll, JJ, etc all live elswhere other than Florida.

 

Hell most of the people on this board don't even live here.

 

2nd, about playing for the Marlins. Its not true, FA's, even 2nd and 3rd tier FA's won't sign here, but anywhere else. The reputation that the Marlins will not honestly reward players, but have to be goaded by MLB and the MLBPA into spending money does hurt the Marlins organization. That whole episode was embarassing.

A new stadium will likely spike attendance for a year or two. What will keep the fans coming out is putting a consistent winning team on the field. Not one every five years or so.

 

I don't think anyone disagrees with this.

 

I do (sort of).

 

What most people fail to consider is this stadium isn't being built for the existing fan base, we are almost an afterthought (perhaps that's an exaggeration). The big problem thought is the economy which is about to get much worse and for an extended period of time.

 

The stadium exists to lure corporate customers that can secure large blocks of seats, boxes and skyboxes for a sustained period of time. The Marlins have been contracturally prohibited from soliciting them since Huizenga sold the franchise. We (the fans) are the frosting on the cake. Then there's all the fans to the south who have effectively been precluded from attending that market research indicates will more than make up for any loss of fannies from the north.

 

again, where are these corporate customers going to come from ? If you didn't notice, So Fla is practically devoid of large corporations. FPL used to be here but they are in Stuart (or nearby environs now). Knight-Ridder used to be here, but they sold the Herald and then moved to California. You expect Ryder Systems, Burger King and Carnival Cruise Lines to buy them all up ? Who else has an HQ's or top line executives down here ? For your information the Dolphins have NEVER sold out their luxury boxes, even in the good times economy. Its a pipe dream to think that will be the basis our "new payroll" in a couple of years. It will be the same old story, Loria will not spend and the new stadium will have 8-10,000 fans per game by 2013 or 2014.

 

Publix (HUGE) , Citrix Systems and Pollo Tropical also, off the top of my head. And that's not to say that other companies who don't have HQ down here but still have large presences can't buy tickets and/or boxes.

 

Also, the Marlins get virtually $0 from luxury boxes from SunLife Stadium, so anything at all they make will be an improvement on current revenue.

 

Publix HQ's are in Lakeland, where the 1st Publix opened in the early 1930's......they are most likely Rays fans.

 

Pollo Tropical ? :lol You are joking....right ? :lol

 

Almost any other normal city has at least 20-25 good sized company HQ's. Not Miami/Ft Lauderdale.

Publix advertises plenty at Dolphins games and Marlins games, not just Tampa Bay Buccaneers games.

 

Bacardi has its US headquarters here too. Big enough company for you?

 

You are just spouting crap and I'm done with you unless you can provide any evidence for your claims.

http://www.hoovers.com/miami/--metroid__33100--/free-mvc-dir.xhtml

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Companies_based_in_Miami,_Florida

 

And a company doesn't have to have it's HQ locally in order to buy/rent a box for a sports team.

American Airlines employs over 9,000 people here.

Royal Caribbean is also based here.

Brightstar has revenue in the billions of dollars.

Intcomex is another billion-dollar company based in Miami.

 

You are wrong. Deal with it.

You do know that you don't need to have a HQ here to buy suites, right? Have you ever been near the club section in Sun Life Stadium (Sun Life not a Florida company, btw). Off the top of my head I've seen Budweiser, Blockbuster, Pepsi, Frito-Lay, Gatorade (yes, I know that last 3 have all been from Pepsi Co, I can't explain why they have 3 boxes but they do). There are many many more that I can't think of right now.

Also, Hanley lives here. And can you please get me a list of all the guys on the Dodgers who, without a long-term deal, moved out to LA?

American Airlines employs over 9,000 people here.

Royal Caribbean is also based here.

Brightstar has revenue in the billions of dollars.

Intcomex is another billion-dollar company based in Miami.

 

You are wrong. Deal with it.

 

 

:owned

 

 

I do (sort of).

 

What most people fail to consider is this stadium isn't being built for the existing fan base, we are almost an afterthought (perhaps that's an exaggeration). The big problem thought is the economy which is about to get much worse and for an extended period of time.

 

The stadium exists to lure corporate customers that can secure large blocks of seats, boxes and skyboxes for a sustained period of time. The Marlins have been contracturally prohibited from soliciting them since Huizenga sold the franchise. We (the fans) are the frosting on the cake. Then there's all the fans to the south who have effectively been precluded from attending that market research indicates will more than make up for any loss of fannies from the north.

 

again, where are these corporate customers going to come from ? If you didn't notice, So Fla is practically devoid of large corporations. FPL used to be here but they are in Stuart (or nearby environs now). Knight-Ridder used to be here, but they sold the Herald and then moved to California. You expect Ryder Systems, Burger King and Carnival Cruise Lines to buy them all up ? Who else has an HQ's or top line executives down here ? For your information the Dolphins have NEVER sold out their luxury boxes, even in the good times economy. Its a pipe dream to think that will be the basis our "new payroll" in a couple of years. It will be the same old story, Loria will not spend and the new stadium will have 8-10,000 fans per game by 2013 or 2014.

 

Publix (HUGE) , Citrix Systems and Pollo Tropical also, off the top of my head. And that's not to say that other companies who don't have HQ down here but still have large presences can't buy tickets and/or boxes.

 

Also, the Marlins get virtually $0 from luxury boxes from SunLife Stadium, so anything at all they make will be an improvement on current revenue.

 

Publix HQ's are in Lakeland, where the 1st Publix opened in the early 1930's......they are most likely Rays fans.

 

Pollo Tropical ? :lol You are joking....right ? :lol

 

Almost any other normal city has at least 20-25 good sized company HQ's. Not Miami/Ft Lauderdale.

 

I live in Lakeland. I'm a Publix fan and a Marlins fan. Not everyone or everything around here jumped ship when the Rays came in. Most (baseball oriented) people in the area either become Marlins fans/supporters or were ticked that the TB area didn't get the team in 1993 so they didn't care by 1998.

And most of the HQ's (which I don't believe many of them are, but only satellite branches) are run by New Yorkers, who invariably are Yankees/Mets fans, or they already would have boxes and suites in Sun Life Stadium.

 

I'll believe it when I see it. The new stadium will surely be a flop as is everything else in So Fla. There will probably be some kind of awful mishap in the new stadium and it will be because Loria ordered a shortcut to save money.

 

As for Loria owning the team for at least 7 more years after the stadium has been opened. Good luck to them winning a WS title and building a winner. He will sabatoge them every chance he can, unintentionally of course, but look at his Girardi fiasco, and now the guy has won a World Series.

Girardi fiasco?

 

The guy ruined our 2007 season because he doesn't understand how to handle a young pitcher.

 

And the guy won a world series because he managed the best team in baseball. Do you really think Girardi had anything to do with that?

 

You're such a troll, I don't know why I'm bothering.

 

 

Also, you know that Mike & Mike in the Morning mention that ravaged the Marlins' public image?

 

A google search for "Mike and mike in the morning cody ross" yields nothing about his arbitration. Somehow, the internet has missed this embarassment. We are saved!

Thank God Cody won his arbitration. He certainly means a lot for the team & the "fans", for you can see he gives 200% every time he plays. Good for him!!!

Thank God Cody won his arbitration. He certainly means a lot for the team & the "fans", for you can see he gives 200% every time he plays. Good for him!!!

 

 

He would have still been on the team regardless of if he won or lost his arbitration. The process simply determined his salary for the 2010 season. hth

congrats coro

And most of the HQ's (which I don't believe many of them are, but only satellite branches) are run by New Yorkers, who invariably are Yankees/Mets fans, or they already would have boxes and suites in Sun Life Stadium.

 

 

What are you talking about?

 

Do you actually think in any other city in America most of the employees are fans of baseball or hardcore fans of the local team? They have them for entertaining clients and current employees. Most people can just show up and eat all of the free food and drink all of the free liquor and not even watch or care about the actual game.

Girardi fiasco?

 

The guy ruined our 2007 season because he doesn't understand how to handle a young pitcher.

 

And the guy won a world series because he managed the best team in baseball. Do you really think Girardi had anything to do with that?

 

You're such a troll, I don't know why I'm bothering.

 

 

Also, you know that Mike & Mike in the Morning mention that ravaged the Marlins' public image?

 

A google search for "Mike and mike in the morning cody ross" yields nothing about his arbitration. Somehow, the internet has missed this embarassment. We are saved!

 

 

Girardi is a terrible manager. I think Jeff Torborg would have won the World Series if he managed the Yankees last season. In the American League you don't have to manage as much so Girardi fits there. So what if he won the N.L. Manager of the Year Award for the Marlins. That was based on the record and the payroll not anything that he did. I think Gonzalez is a much better manager than Girardi is.

Cody last night being interviewed by Zaslow on 790:

 

(as close on quotes as I can get)

 

"...at the end we all hugged and shook hands. There were no hard feelings and after five years here I can talk to the owner or Admin or David or anyone about anything...the only things they really brought up (in response to Zas asking what it's like to sit there and be bad-mouthed) were too many strikeouts and (I forget the second one but it was nothing awful)...and they were right about them".

 

Also said there would have been no hard feelings if it went the other way, classy guy gave a classy interview.