Eddie Altamonte Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 http://dave-andriese...297882/25215308 R.I.P. Marlins: New wave arrives As the sports world waits for the crowning of a champion, 22 other teams are busy preparing for spring training. What went wrong for these teams, and what does 2011 hold? MLB Facts and Rumors here at CBS Sports will be answering those questions through all of October. Now: the oft-maligned Florid Marlins. The Marlins were slapped on the wrist in the offseason for not spending enough money on major-league payroll, then had their financials leaked. Meanwhile, owner Jeffrey Loria walked Fredi Gonzalez right out of town and into the grateful arms of the Braves, and the team missed .500 by one game. WHAT WENT WRONG The Marlins had a gaping hole at catcher for much of the season. John Baker was on the verge of establishing himself as a permanent starting catcher, but his 2010 season was cut off as soon as it had began and he underwent Tommy John surgery. That left Ronny Paulino, good only against lefties, to play full time before angering the organization after testing positive for PEDs. That left the team with Brett Hayes and Brad Davis down the stretch. For the last two seasons, the Marlins have been waiting on Cameron Maybin to break out. They'll have to wait some more, as Maybin hit just .234/.302/.361 in 322 plate appearances and Cody Ross got the bulk of playing time in center before he was sent to the Giants. Florida remains high on the 23-year-old, but at some point has to start producing. Ricky Nolasco has been far, far better than his ERAs of the last two seasons might indicated. Nolasco shacked up respective ERAs of 5.06 and 4.51 in 2009 and 2010, but his xFIP tells a far different story at 3.28 and 3.55, respectively. Luck and poor defense abandoned Nolasco, however, so he remains a tantalizing pitcher who just needs breaks to go his way. WHAT WENT RIGHT The Marlins introduced some intriguing prospects to the majors, the most interesting of all being Mike Stanton (pictured, right). At just 20, Stanton bashed 22 home runs in 396 PA along with 22 doubles, good enough for a .259/.326/.507 line. All he has to do is cut down on strikeouts, raise the batting average and he will be a once-in-a-generation stud. As it is, he's already a once-in-a-generation power hitter. He's joined by Logan Morrison, a natural first baseman who is playing out of position in left for the moment. In 287 PA, LoMo hit .283/.390/.447 and gives the Fish an incredible 3-4 combo for years. First baseman Gaby Sanchez also impressed, albeit at the advanced age of 27. Josh Johnson was a dominating pitcher and proved Florida made the right call in signing him to a four-year deal just before the regular season. Johnson had a pedestrian 11-8 record thanks to bad luck, but was absolutely stellar in other facets of the game. His 2.30 ERA, 3.15 xFIP and 186 punchouts in 183 1/3 innings makes the 26-year-old one of the best pitchers in the game. HELP ON THE WAY Florida has graduated most of its better prospects already in Sanchez, Stanton, Morrison, Scott Cousins and Alex Sanabia. However, there are still two top prospects that could make an impact as soon as 2011. Matt Dominguez, despite not playing above Double-A, is a candidate to start at third base for Florida as early as 2011. While that may be an aggressive move, Dominguez is major-league ready with the fielding and his bat should eventually come around. First, the team needs to figure out who plays where between Dominguez, Dan Uggla, Morrison, Sanchez and Chris Coghlan. Catcher Kyle Skipworth will eventually be the answer to Florida's catching issue. While he can't step in and contribute in that capacity in 2011, he could make his debut in advance of a 2012 job. Skipworth will spend most of the year in Double-A as a 21-year-old and needs to improve his contact skills. The power is there, all Skipworth needs is to string together a few more hits. EXPECTATIONS FOR 2011 The Marlins expect to contend, which is partly why owner Jeffrey Loria fired Fredi Gonzalez. What he didn't realize, however, was that the talent of the Marlins was pretty much of a .500 team. The club should be better next year with full seasons from Stanton and Morrison, but need to upgrade its rotation and find a capable catcher to make some noise. SUGGESTIONS FOR 2011 The Marlins shouldn't rush Matt Dominguez to the majors. He deserves to see his bat develop more in a less strenuous setting. However, the team should plan around Dominguez' eventual promotion, even if that's not until 2012. In addition, Logan Morrison is too much of a liability on defense to stick in left field. The club should stick Coghlan in left field with the intention of leaving him there for the next few years, or until either Scott Cousins or Isaac Galloway knock the door down. Morrison shifts to first base, with Sanchez being dangled as trade bait for either a catcher, top relief pitcher or a starter that can give Florida a deep rotation. Dan Uggla (pictured above, right) is entering the final year of his arbitration, and the club would do well to sign him for three- to four years, although Uggla may be looking for a longer deal than that. If the Marlins can convince Uggla to take three or four years, they can go into 2012's rebranding as the Miami Marlins with a new stadium and have Uggla as a name to sell fans on. If not, Coghlan can shift to second and free agency or internal promotions used for a left fielder. Florida could also opt to trade Uggla this offseason, put Coghlan at second and package Uggla and Sanchez for a major upgrade. The latter scenario is unlikely, plus Uggla is needed by Florida if they hope to win over the next several years. 2011 PREDICTION Florida will hang around the wild card chase and could even put a scare into a few teams down the stretch, but will ultimately fall short. Pretty fair commentary IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Yeah not bad. Can't really disagree too much here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Really poor assessment of Skipworth. Cutting down Ks and making more contact is not easy. Thanks for the Cody Ross was sent to the Giants thing, as opposed to given.... He also probably overvalued Gaby a bit. For a national reporter, surprisingly reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnellders Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 I agree with the notion (been talked about a lot on here in past few weeks) of including Gaby in some form of trade to upgrade at C, SP or RP. Only slight issue with this article is the suggestion that Skippy might get some time with the Marlins late in the season as a taster for 2012. From what I have read, he may require just a little more seasoning down in the Minors first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Yeah he's pretty optimistic sounding about Skipworth. I'm still hoping the kid can get it together, but he's still fairly young. Not everyone can be a Mike Stanton and dominate that sh*t at 20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Altamonte Posted October 13, 2010 Author Share Posted October 13, 2010 Skipworth is very far from being major league ready, I am not even sure he is 3 years away. He may never be major league ready at this rate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nny Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Skipworth is very far from being major league ready, I am not even sure he is 3 years away. He may never be major league ready at this rate Yeah, Lou posted a list before with a bunch of high strike out, high power catchers that were horrible at the start of their pro careers but ending up being able to break into the majors in their late 20's. However, the FO also just payed overslot in the third round of this last years draft to grab Jacob Realmuto, and then converted him from IFer to catcher. With the fall of Skipworth and literally no other legit catchers in our system, a strong year next year from Realmuto would vault him easily to being "Catcher of the future." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricWiener Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 I think the team needs more of a bullpen upgrade than a rotation upgrade. A stud starting pitcher always helps, but it is probably the teams 3rd priority behind catcher and bullpen guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeyethesailor Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 He seems a little optimistic about Skipworth but we do need to get better catching as well as a better bullpen. His comments about Nolasco are totally wrong. According to Baseball Prospects he was practically the luckiest of all pitchers with a luck rating of +6.71. Oswalt had a -7.30 luck rating for comparison. I remember a game where Stanton made a great catch at the top of the wall to save a near grand slam home run. I think it was Arizona. Poor defense hurt him as well as the other starters on our team but he was actually very lucky this year. Johnson was not lucky with his W-L record. Our young prospects should help us next year a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 His comments about Nolasco are totally wrong. According to Baseball Prospects he was practically the luckiest of all pitchers with a luck rating of +6.71. That stat refers to W-L record, not ERA. So the short answer is that your analysis is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbethan Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 His comments about Nolasco are totally wrong. According to Baseball Prospects he was practically the luckiest of all pitchers with a luck rating of +6.71. That stat refers to W-L record, not ERA. So the short answer is that your analysis is wrong. Oh Snap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirspud Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 I think they are right that Nolasco is tantalizing but their reasons are wrong. His ERA wasn't a case of bad luck, it was a case of inconsistency and being awful in starts that had little to do with defense. He got shelled for a lot of home run balls, and they weren't flying out just due to luck. But there is no question that he comes out with his A game a lot of days too, perhaps more days than any of the rest of our pitchers, and when he is on that A game he knows how to keep control of the game and get the W. He goes out there and gives you seven or more innings of near-shutout ball, and he earns his win. If Josh Johnson were as good at finishing his business as Nolasco, he'd get to 20 wins, but Ricky seems to be the only guy on our staff who can keep his pitch count low enough to stay in the game till late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 His comments about Nolasco are totally wrong. According to Baseball Prospects he was practically the luckiest of all pitchers with a luck rating of +6.71. That stat refers to W-L record, not ERA. So the short answer is that your analysis is wrong. Oh Snap! Somebody just got SERRRRRRVED! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricWiener Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 His comments about Nolasco are totally wrong. According to Baseball Prospects he was practically the luckiest of all pitchers with a luck rating of +6.71. That stat refers to W-L record, not ERA. So the short answer is that your analysis is wrong. Oh Snap! Somebody just got SERRRRRRVED! If he serves him back, then it will be on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutureGM Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Fair article, but no mention whatsoever of the bullpen? How did they manage that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Fair article, but no mention whatsoever of the bullpen? How did they manage that? Better than Fredi did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puma Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Fair article, but no mention whatsoever of the bullpen? How did they manage that? Better than Fredi did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeyethesailor Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 His comments about Nolasco are totally wrong. According to Baseball Prospects he was practically the luckiest of all pitchers with a luck rating of +6.71. That stat refers to W-L record, not ERA. So the short answer is that your analysis is wrong. What I wrote was wrong my bad. If he was more consistent and not given up so many home runs his ERA wouldn't be so high. Luck didn't totally abondon him since he was so lucky to get 14 wins. Thats how I should have said it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 His comments about Nolasco are totally wrong. According to Baseball Prospects he was practically the luckiest of all pitchers with a luck rating of +6.71. That stat refers to W-L record, not ERA. So the short answer is that your analysis is wrong. What I wrote was wrong my bad. If he was more consistent and not given up so many home runs his ERA wouldn't be so high. Luck didn't totally abondon him since he was so lucky to get 14 wins. Thats how I should have said it. No worries. I actually didn't mean to come off as snobby as I apparently did, but once I got some laughs, I had to go with it. :cool (Sorry.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Fair article, but no mention whatsoever of the bullpen? How did they manage that? Better than Fredi did. DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puma Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Fair article, but no mention whatsoever of the bullpen? How did they manage that? Better than Fredi did. DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE What's that, 3 straight nights with a hilarious post? Must be some kind of record, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Fair article, but no mention whatsoever of the bullpen? How did they manage that? Better than Fredi did. DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE What's that, 3 straight nights with a hilarious post? Must be some kind of record, no? As reigning MB.com Funniest User, I hereby name Gizmo the Funniest User of the Week!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poptart Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 +1 for funniest poster of the week. the loogy joke was awful but the fredi one i liked a lot. we need more humor and less dweebs on this board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbethan Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 From my experience the humor comes from the dweebs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoBob27 Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 His comments about Nolasco are totally wrong. According to Baseball Prospects he was practically the luckiest of all pitchers with a luck rating of +6.71. That stat refers to W-L record, not ERA. So the short answer is that your analysis is wrong. Thanks for ruining the moment. I was having a great laugh thinking the stat heads had a "luck rating." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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