November 17, 201015 yr Personally I'd rather take Nolasco at a cheaper, single season rate before giving him an extension.
November 17, 201015 yr Personally I'd rather take Nolasco at a cheaper, single season rate before giving him an extension. I don't have a problem with that. But, it's a risk, because Nolasco might price himself out of our range.
November 17, 201015 yr Carl Pavano. We can sign him even with the signing of Nolasco, so..... That, and Nolasco>Pavano. If you're willing to spend on Pavano...why not Nolasco? If ERA is your thing, their career ERA's are basically the same sh*t. Nolasco is pretty much better at everything else that's not ERA (making him the better, unluckier pitcher), and is about 7-8 years younger, as well. That made no sense.
November 17, 201015 yr Listen, enough about luck. I dont care about luck. If Nolasco is unlucky, fine. That doesnt mean that his luck is about to change, now does it? It Pavano is the luckiest pitcher in the world, then fine. That doesnt mean his luck is necessarily about to change, does it? Pavano lead the league in complete games last year. A huge issue with the Marlins was getting pitchers deep into games to preserve the bullpen, and that was a direct result of Ricky Nolasco's pitching specifically because he had issues getting through early innings.
November 17, 201015 yr I was thinking about starting this thread but last time I did that, the player in question was traded to a division rival for Omar Infante.
November 17, 201015 yr Listen, enough about luck. I dont care about luck. If Nolasco is unlucky, fine. That doesnt mean that his luck is about to change, now does it? It Pavano is the luckiest pitcher in the world, then fine. That doesnt mean his luck is necessarily about to change, does it? Pavano lead the league in complete games last year. A huge issue with the Marlins was getting pitchers deep into games to preserve the bullpen, and that was a direct result of Ricky Nolasco's pitching specifically because he had issues getting through early innings. 1. If that's your belief on the matter, then you don't give Nolasco a 1 year shot sort of thing; you trade him for...a CF'er. You're underrating Nolasco. The majority of teams in baseball would take a Ricky Nolasco in a heartbeat. You either give him an extension now, or trade him. The last thing the organization needs is for Nolasco to have another 2008, and start asking for a great payday like he's Josh Johnson, much like Dan Uggla did this offseason pretending he was Hanley Ramirez. 2. Yes, Pavano's luck can change. New team. New defense behind him. A good defensive team is extremely important for all pitchers, but especially for pitchers like Pavano. Pavano has a career 5.72 K/9, and a 4.76 K/9 in 2010. He relies on his defense. A lot. 3. Nolasco doesn't have a problem going deep into games. When he's on, he always goes deep into games (much like Pavano). Nolasco averaged 6.1 innings per start last year, and has averaged at least 6 innings per start his past 3 years. Certainly a good number, which will look even more valuable now that the team has an actual bullpen with the acquisitions made this offseason.
November 17, 201015 yr Listen, enough about luck. I dont care about luck. If Nolasco is unlucky, fine. That doesnt mean that his luck is about to change, now does it? It Pavano is the luckiest pitcher in the world, then fine. That doesnt mean his luck is necessarily about to change, does it? Pavano lead the league in complete games last year. A huge issue with the Marlins was getting pitchers deep into games to preserve the bullpen, and that was a direct result of Ricky Nolasco's pitching specifically because he had issues getting through early innings. 1. If that's your belief on the matter, then you don't give Nolasco a 1 year shot sort of thing; you trade him for...a CF'er. You're underrating Nolasco. The majority of teams in baseball would take a Ricky Nolasco in a heartbeat. You either give him an extension now, or trade him. The last thing the organization needs is for Nolasco to have another 2008, and start asking for a great payday like he's Josh Johnson, much like Dan Uggla did this offseason pretending he was Hanley Ramirez. 2. Yes, Pavano's luck can change. New team. New defense behind him. A good defensive team is extremely important for all pitchers, but especially for pitchers like Pavano. Pavano has a career 5.72 K/9, and a 4.76 K/9 in 2010. He relies on his defense. A lot. 3. Nolasco doesn't have a problem going deep into games. When he's on, he always goes deep into games (much like Pavano). Nolasco averaged 6.1 innings per start last year, and has averaged at least 6 innings per start his past 3 years. Certainly a good number, which will look even more valuable now that the team has an actual bullpen with the acquisitions made this offseason. Im going to remind you of what you said before. If you want to debate this tomorrow, bring it up. One thing I'll say though: ERA is an average, and as you claim, it doesnt tell the whole story for Nolasco and how he has really really good and really really bad games. IP/G is an average as well. Doesnt explain the games where he left the bullpen out to dry. Much more often than the other pitchers, and certainly not at a level of a #2 pitcher.
December 1, 201015 yr Thought I would be bump this topic. Tomorrow is the deadline to offer arbitration to Nolasco. Do you think something will get done contract wise? How much would be offered? I can see a deal around 3 years 19-22 million. Thoughts???
December 1, 201015 yr Thought I would be bump this topic. Tomorrow is the deadline to offer arbitration to Nolasco. Do you think something will get done contract wise? How much would be offered? I can see a deal around 3 years 19-22 million. Thoughts??? That sounds about right from the Marlins perspective, but the hesitation from Nolasco will be, if he has a big 2011 those numbers will sky rocket and he could be leaving money on the table. He'd be signing his contract on a low right now. I think this gets done in the $22-24 range over 3 years, which is between what they each want, but overall not a large of a gap as say, $48 and $71, as to where this gets done.
December 1, 201015 yr Thought I would be bump this topic. Tomorrow is the deadline to offer arbitration to Nolasco. Do you think something will get done contract wise? How much would be offered? I can see a deal around 3 years 19-22 million. Thoughts??? That sounds about right from the Marlins perspective, but the hesitation from Nolasco will be, if he has a big 2011 those numbers will sky rocket and he could be leaving money on the table. He'd be signing his contract on a low right now. I think this gets done in the $22-24 range over 3 years, which is between what they each want, but overall not a large of a gap as say, $48 and $71, as to where this gets done. Dont you think last years ERA of 5.09 was the low instead of this years ERA of 4.51?
December 1, 201015 yr Thought I would be bump this topic. Tomorrow is the deadline to offer arbitration to Nolasco. Do you think something will get done contract wise? How much would be offered? I can see a deal around 3 years 19-22 million. Thoughts??? That sounds about right from the Marlins perspective, but the hesitation from Nolasco will be, if he has a big 2011 those numbers will sky rocket and he could be leaving money on the table. He'd be signing his contract on a low right now. I think this gets done in the $22-24 range over 3 years, which is between what they each want, but overall not a large of a gap as say, $48 and $71, as to where this gets done. Dont you think last years ERA of 5.09 was the low instead of this years ERA of 4.51? It's a combination of both years, and a drastically decreasing innings (212-185-157) total
December 2, 201015 yr Giving Ricky a one year deal and then trading him would be ridiculous. All we'd get out of him would be a reliever with this front office, no matter how valuable a starting pitcher SHOULD BE.
December 2, 201015 yr Giving Ricky a one year deal and then trading him would be ridiculous. All we'd get out of him would be a reliever with this front office, no matter how valuable a starting pitcher SHOULD BE. I doubt we would get a reliever for Nolasco.
December 2, 201015 yr Giving Ricky a one year deal and then trading him would be ridiculous. All we'd get out of him would be a reliever with this front office, no matter how valuable a starting pitcher SHOULD BE. ....?
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